Human_84
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Why does no-one start from the top? From the very beginning... The tent.
THE TENT:
Why does a ripped tent draw the conclusion that the zipper wasn't fast enough? If this were the case and the tent was ripped open because the 2-second zipper was too time consuming, who really has an unsheathed knife at their bedside and (in a panic situation) makes a split second decision to reach for the knife rather than the zipper? They then start hacking away at the tent (destroying their main survival lifeline) just to exit for a breath of fresh air???! Must have been one seriously repulsive fart.
It's tough to believe. Almost as extreme as breaking the window out of your car instead of reaching for the door handle. It's not something an ordinary person would do, regardless of the situation. Eerie and captivating--which makes for a good story, yes, but it's not a realistic conclusion that the tent was ripped open because their situation was so incredibly dire.
2 additional points:
THE TEAM LEFT WITHOUT PROPER CLOTHING:
Probably the 2nd most intriguing aspect of the Dyaltov Pass Incident is that the team left the tent wearing very little clothing. Perhaps the moon and stars were incredible, and it was an great night (unseasonably balmy) for a twilight stroll? (kidding) But they could have fled the tent in the daytime (in the hours before sundown or early morning).
In short, fleeing the tent, if that's what happened, didn't need to happen while they were startled awake in the middle of the night (and to revisit my earlier point, it didn't necessarily happen by ripping open the tent. They could have used the zipper, and the tent was damaged for another reason altogether).
If the clothing had become wet, the team were smart enough to shed the wet clothing and build a fire away from the wind-torn the hill, down inside the cover of trees (also for kindling purposes). Possibly later, it was decided that the clothing could be dried out near the fire (which they planned on increasing in size) and so they headed back for the rest of the wet clothes.
Strangely though, the final 4 who died in a "4 meter ravine" were very well dressed. This is seldom mentioned, but certainly proven in at least 1 photo.
Why? Did they hang back at the tent to dress properly, or did they typically sleep with most of their clothes while the others hadn't?
In any case, we can conclude that the abundance of clothing worn by these 4 people did NOT primarily come from borrowing clothing from the deceased. They were well dressed from the beginning of the incident. They might have been separate from the rest of the group during the whole thing, only stopping at the campfire location to scavenge a few additional clothing items.
DEATHS OF THE LAST 4, IN THE RAVINE:
With all the snowpack for padding, they couldn't have sustained their injuries only from the short fall. Even if it were possible, how could they all have fallen simultaneously? Nearly impossible. Much like the tent zipper, this is another seriously doubtful item that is rarely questioned. The short fall could not have caused their injuries.
The lady with a missing tongue was found (according to one report) with a stomach full of blood, meaning her tongue was removed while she was alive, ruling out scavenging animals (if this report is genuine).
They were found only 75 meters from the campfire, meaning their journey was extremely short-lived after picking up clothing from the 2 deceased near the fire. If they were well-dressed and had eaten within 8 hours (according to autopsy reports), what was their main complex?
We'll need to take ALL the tiny details into account to have ANY chance at solving this one. Overlook nothing. The tent zipper, the 4 meter ravine deaths, and plenty more items that I didn't even mention.
THE TENT:
Why does a ripped tent draw the conclusion that the zipper wasn't fast enough? If this were the case and the tent was ripped open because the 2-second zipper was too time consuming, who really has an unsheathed knife at their bedside and (in a panic situation) makes a split second decision to reach for the knife rather than the zipper? They then start hacking away at the tent (destroying their main survival lifeline) just to exit for a breath of fresh air???! Must have been one seriously repulsive fart.
It's tough to believe. Almost as extreme as breaking the window out of your car instead of reaching for the door handle. It's not something an ordinary person would do, regardless of the situation. Eerie and captivating--which makes for a good story, yes, but it's not a realistic conclusion that the tent was ripped open because their situation was so incredibly dire.
2 additional points:
- [1] Why did the investigators believe the tent was ripped open from the INSIDE? Can you really tell (just from the tear pattern on the fabric)?
[2] There is no mention of the zipper, or whether the zipper was found closed or open. Knowing the state of the zipper is an enormous clue that we haven't been given.
THE TEAM LEFT WITHOUT PROPER CLOTHING:
Probably the 2nd most intriguing aspect of the Dyaltov Pass Incident is that the team left the tent wearing very little clothing. Perhaps the moon and stars were incredible, and it was an great night (unseasonably balmy) for a twilight stroll? (kidding) But they could have fled the tent in the daytime (in the hours before sundown or early morning).
In short, fleeing the tent, if that's what happened, didn't need to happen while they were startled awake in the middle of the night (and to revisit my earlier point, it didn't necessarily happen by ripping open the tent. They could have used the zipper, and the tent was damaged for another reason altogether).
If the clothing had become wet, the team were smart enough to shed the wet clothing and build a fire away from the wind-torn the hill, down inside the cover of trees (also for kindling purposes). Possibly later, it was decided that the clothing could be dried out near the fire (which they planned on increasing in size) and so they headed back for the rest of the wet clothes.
Strangely though, the final 4 who died in a "4 meter ravine" were very well dressed. This is seldom mentioned, but certainly proven in at least 1 photo.
Why? Did they hang back at the tent to dress properly, or did they typically sleep with most of their clothes while the others hadn't?
In any case, we can conclude that the abundance of clothing worn by these 4 people did NOT primarily come from borrowing clothing from the deceased. They were well dressed from the beginning of the incident. They might have been separate from the rest of the group during the whole thing, only stopping at the campfire location to scavenge a few additional clothing items.
DEATHS OF THE LAST 4, IN THE RAVINE:
With all the snowpack for padding, they couldn't have sustained their injuries only from the short fall. Even if it were possible, how could they all have fallen simultaneously? Nearly impossible. Much like the tent zipper, this is another seriously doubtful item that is rarely questioned. The short fall could not have caused their injuries.
The lady with a missing tongue was found (according to one report) with a stomach full of blood, meaning her tongue was removed while she was alive, ruling out scavenging animals (if this report is genuine).
They were found only 75 meters from the campfire, meaning their journey was extremely short-lived after picking up clothing from the 2 deceased near the fire. If they were well-dressed and had eaten within 8 hours (according to autopsy reports), what was their main complex?
We'll need to take ALL the tiny details into account to have ANY chance at solving this one. Overlook nothing. The tent zipper, the 4 meter ravine deaths, and plenty more items that I didn't even mention.