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I'm not sure if this was meant as a joke, but sadly there is evidence this is already happening. A number of reports during the election campaign that teachers had indeed been pushing a political agenda on their students and had in some cases written to parents to advise them to consider education funding when deciding how to vote. And in one polling station in Hackney, police had to be called as teachers had decorated the place with children's drawings... which, curiously for primary school kids, seemed to consist largely of hammers and sickles and other socialist imagery.

Schools have a statutory duty to display political neutrality but this clearly isn't happening in all cases. The lack of diversity of opinion in the teaching profession is a major factor here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_long_march_through_the_institutions
No not a joke as such. I rather dislike the infusion of politics (i.e. the political views of teachers) being infused into classrooms and have had occasion to complain to my local school when a teacher standing for local council election was essentially campaigning to her classes.

My point is that such a letter will not be viewed in the way is which it is intended. Political (small 'p') people do not respond to real issues per se, only what they consider to be the political strategy behind the message. That's how political people think, it generally doesn't occur to them to believe anyone else thinks differently.

They won't read this letter as a plea to fund an education system that's in trouble, or even believe that the education system is in trouble, but rather as a ploy to increase head-teachers' political position or power.

My comment was aimed (slightly tongue in cheek) at the suggestion that to sway a politician you need to offer them what they want or take away something they want. That is: votes or popularity.

As for teachers' less than diverse political views: for some reason a lot of academics of all hues seem to veer to the left. I'm not sure why that is myself, whether it's an individual trait thing, or it a lack of professional experience outside of academe, but it's well documented.

I thought the idea of recruiting teachers from industry was a good one, but I think they introduced a 'fast track' which would almost certainly trip the scheme up, it's the kind of division which probably will (and might even be designed to) cause resentment between 'established' and 'fast-track' staff.
 

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I'm not sure if this was meant as a joke, but sadly there is evidence this is already happening. A number of reports during the election campaign that teachers had indeed been pushing a political agenda on their students and had in some cases written to parents to advise them to consider education funding when deciding how to vote. And in one polling station in Hackney, police had to be called as teachers had decorated the place with children's drawings... which, curiously for primary school kids, seemed to consist largely of hammers and sickles and other socialist imagery.

Schools have a statutory duty to display political neutrality but this clearly isn't happening in all cases. The lack of diversity of opinion in the teaching profession is a major factor here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_long_march_through_the_institutions
I've been saying this for years. They were doing it back when I was young. It has to stop, because it's morally wrong.
 
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Not always. Sometimes, those ideas take root in malleable/vulnerable young minds.
...but the society on which those ideas are based will fail as it does not take account of human nature.

...and as for those with unsustainable ideologies, it might be said that a regular job and a decade paying the bills and raising children usually sorts that right out. :)
 

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...but the society on which those ideas are based will fail as it does not take account of human nature.
That's true. Human beings are naturally acquisitive, tribal and territorial. You can mitigate the worst aspects of these traits but any society which attempts to ignore or eliminate them is doomed to failure. That's why utopian political projects inevitably lead to economic collapse and widespread repression.

Sadly a large number of educators seem wedded to them even now.
 
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That's true. Human beings are naturally acquisitive, tribal and territorial. You can mitigate the worst aspects of these traits but any society which attempts to ignore or eliminate them is doomed to failure. That's why Utopian political projects inevitably lead to economic collapse and widespread repression.

Sadly a large number of educators seem wedded to them even now.
Possibly why the 'far left' has morphed into the "post modernist" movement, the idea we're all born a blank slate and can be 'correctly' raised/educated to be perfect utopian equal beings.

(Plus 'post modernism' sounds better and more important than 'Marxism')

At the very least, the biology and structure of the brain make this 'very unlikely'. You might as well try to program a mobile phone to be a frog.
 
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Possibly why the 'far left' has morphed into the "post modernist" movement, the idea we're all born a blank slate and can be 'correctly' raised/educated to be perfect utopian equal beings.

(Plus 'post modernism' sounds better and more important than 'Marxism')

At the very least, the biology and structure of the brain make this 'very unlikely'. You might as well try to program a mobile phone to be a frog.
Those of us on the Left who come from a REAL marxist background detest Post Modernism. Its nonsense pure and simple.

When I hear the expression Post Modernism, I reach for my revolver.

Campaign For Real Marxism.
 

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No not a joke as such. I rather dislike the infusion of politics (i.e. the political views of teachers) being infused into classrooms and have had occasion to complain to my local school when a teacher standing for local council election was essentially campaigning to her classes.
I don't know any teachers, but I'm good friends with three academics. Two are very left wing - one is a rather wet Tory but says she would feel uncomfortable "coming out" as such in her working environment. Both the others initially supported Brexit - one had been ardently anti-EU for over twenty years - but voted Remain in the end, largely it seems because of peer pressure in the SCR. All say that there is very little political diversity in contemporary UK academia.

I found that interesting.
 
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Campaign For Real Marxism.
It's not gone well so far has it?

I don't know any teachers, but I'm good friends with three academics. Two are very left wing - one is a rather wet Tory but says she would feel uncomfortable "coming out" as such in her working environment. Both the others initially supported Brexit - one had been ardently anti-EU for over twenty years - but voted Remain in the end, largely it seems because of peer pressure in the SCR. All say that there is very little political diversity in contemporary UK academia.

I found that interesting.
It is, it's mostly the case in academia as I understand it, from discussion with academic pals and reading around it. I suspect it's more that character trait(s) that can indicate a preferences for working in academia are the same as those for left-wing politics, rather than some 'cabal of Marxists'.

It might be interesting if we could measure the political views of a wide range of academics across subjects and see if it's a humanities thing or a wider phenomenon.
 

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It's not gone well so far has it?



It is, it's mostly the case in academia as I understand it, from discussion with academic pals and reading around it. I suspect it's more that character trait(s) that can indicate a preferences for working in academia are the same as those for left-wing politics, rather than some 'cabal of Marxists'.
I think that's right, but it's coupled with a large dose of groupthink. If none of your friends or workmates voted Brexit, for example, or Trump in the US, then you will have less of a sense of what led to those happening and you're more likely to feel you have to fall in line with your peer group politically
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It might be interesting if we could measure the political views of a wide range of academics across subjects and see if it's a humanities thing or a wider phenomenon.
I've seen some figures on voting patters of teachers and academics and it is quite striking how out of line they are with the wider population, including people of similar educational and income levels. The figures weren't broken down by subject but were of such a nature that it couldn't just have been humanities or social sciences people leaning that way. I think I have seen some US figures broken down by subject which showed the bias was less acute in engineering and mathematics.

I don't think this lack of diversity of thought is very healthy as I say.
 

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I don't think this lack of diversity of thought is very healthy as I say.
It's not at all healthy.
Part of the reason why universities exist is to provide an environment where students can have actual discussions and debates. Discussions and debates usually involve differing opinions, thoughts and philosophies - some of which may directly conflict with each other. In a proper academic environment, students are allowed freedom of thought and the right to question certain thinking with rational dialogue. It seems that they are now echo chambers with no challenging debates taking place. What a wasted opportunity.
 
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If inspectors cannot gain access to these "schools" then the police should assist them to do so. Council regulations on misuse of buildings should also be used.

Thousands of pupils are at risk in unregistered faith schools, according to the new Ofsted boss.

Amanda Spielman has called for new powers to protect children who are forced to study religious writings from the Koran, the Talmud and Torah and the Bible “full time”.

“It is clear that weaknesses in current legislation allow some organisations to teach school-aged children religious texts full time … and avoid proper scrutiny,” Ms Spielman told The Sunday Times.

“Since January 2016 my inspectors have visited numerous establishments that they believe should be registered as schools. The fact that such places are able to operate and remain unregistered leaves pupils at risk.”

Inspectors have discovered 286 unregistered schools in England over the past 18 months.

Less than half of them have been inspected, 36 have been issued warnings and the inspectors have not managed to gain access to the rest, The Sunday Times reported. ...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ls-christian-jew-muslim-a7819731.html#gallery
 
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Now that's good news!

Girl who fled Iraq 'never imagined' getting nine GCSEs
Zainab Fhadal arrived in Stoke-on-Trent three years ago only speaking a little English, but she has now gained nine GCSEs.

The 16-year-old fled the Iraqi capital Baghdad in June 2014 after her family's home was destroyed.

She said she'd spent her childhood "being scared" and couldn't even imagine going to college because she wasn't sure she'd "be living the next day".

Speaking at Thistley Hough Academy, she said she was proud of her results and now planned to study A-levels and pursue a career in medicine

http://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-engla...o-fled-iraq-never-imagined-getting-nine-gcses

Vid at link.
 

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A bit silly, and desperate.

Crewe headteacher banned from teaching for tampering with exam papers


A FORMER headteacher of Wistaston Church Lane Academy who was training to be an Ofsted inspector has been banned from teaching after it found that he had tampered with exam papers.

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Prince said told the panel that he had concerns about the pupils’ performance in the mental maths exam and that he was worried the school would lose its ‘Outstanding’ Ofsted grading.

He said he had the question sheet next to him when changing the answers but rather than give his own answers, he looked at answers given by what he described as the ‘clever clogs’ and copied what they had put for the ‘strugglers’.
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Uniform hassle backfires on matinet Head.

A school which made headlines over its crackdown on uniforms and discipline in a bid to improve academic results has seen a dramatic drop in GCSE results.

Dozens of pupils at Hartsdown Academy in Margate, Kent, were sent home last year for wearing the wrong uniform.

At the time, new head teacher Matthew Tate said the school had been underperforming and uniforms led to better behaviour and grades.

The school's GCSE pass rate for 2016-17 was 13% lower than the previous year. ...

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-kent-41284833
 

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"He's having the impact we as a trust, and I as an executive head, want him to have, so he has my complete support and will continue to do so . . .

Meanwhile, let's not forget the best turned-out set of claimants we ever produced! Hip-hip! . . .



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The music during drop-off time at the elementary school is generally innocuous, but this morning's choice was slightly worrying -
I mean -
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Just a wee bit Orwellian in that setting!

Warning - video may cause 80's poisoning.
 
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This is nuts:

Bradford school bans sausage rolls from packed lunches
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-41412911

It's another terrific example of someone deciding 'they are right' so they can tell others what to do. It is absolutely none of a school's business to dictate to parents what they feed their children. It just isn't.
 

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This is nuts:

Bradford school bans sausage rolls from packed lunches
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-41412911

It's another terrific example of someone deciding 'they are right' so they can tell others what to do. It is absolutely none of a school's business to dictate to parents what they feed their children. It just isn't.
It's getting very controlling.
Haircuts, clothes, lunch, 'best friends'... it's all a bit fascist.
 

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This is nuts:

Bradford school bans sausage rolls from packed lunches
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-41412911

It's another terrific example of someone deciding 'they are right' so they can tell others what to do. It is absolutely none of a school's business to dictate to parents what they feed their children. It just isn't.
Someone should dictate what schoolteachers are allowed to eat. Because they tend to be a bunch of misshapen fatties.
 

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Last week, teen son had PSAT's, so he took along The Golden Bough to read after he'd finished the exam. We were both shocked to discover that not only had none of his teachers read it, they hadn't even heard of it. :eek:

I realize that a person teaching, say, geometry, wouldn't necessarily need to study a Victorian-era tome of comparative religion, but...come on! Not even heard of it. What did they read in between their tree-worshipping rituals when they were angsty teenage witches?*

*ok, maybe that was just me. :oops:
 
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This is nuts:

Bradford school bans sausage rolls from packed lunches
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-41412911

It's another terrific example of someone deciding 'they are right' so they can tell others what to do. It is absolutely none of a school's business to dictate to parents what they feed their children. It just isn't.
Quote: "The policy says pupils are encouraged to show their packed lunches to staff before and after they have eaten."

'Encouraged'? What on Earth does that mean? Awarded a little sticker for correct thinking? Wow.

I wonder what their policy is on the ever-so healthy samosa?

(I like samosas. And sausage rolls).

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Do we need to teach children joined up handwriting?

What?

A survey found that on average it has been 41 days since adults last wrote something? Two thirds of us only write short notes like shopping lists which could easily be done in print?

I am gobsmacked. I write a lot, at work where we need to log everything in books and at home where I like to log everything in books.. :nods:
 

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Do we need to teach children joined up handwriting?

What?

A survey found that on average it has been 41 days since adults last wrote something? Two thirds of us only write short notes like shopping lists which could easily be done in print?

I am gobsmacked. I write a lot, at work where we need to log everything in books and at home where I like to log everything in books.. :nods:
Having dyspraxia, I have appalling handwriting. I was slapped around as a child over it and am too ashamed to let anyone see it. So very few people see my writing these days and if I need to communicate in 'writing' I type it and print it out!
 
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Some Heads would drive teachers to such action.

Fearing a Massachusetts high school science teacher may be breaking bad, federal agents raided Susan Seery's home searching for evidence she constructed a homemade pipe bomb that exploded under a principal's Jeep last month.

The search warrant was executed at the Woonsocket, Rhode Island home of 62-year-old Seery, who teaches at Bellingham High School, Metro West Daily News reported.

Her son, Michael McNamara, told Boston 25 News that U.S. Alcohol Tobacco & Firearms agents burst into their home Tuesday to serve the search warrant.

"They bashed the doors in. Didn't even knock," he said. "We would have let them in. We told them before, they could search the house. And they didn't choose to do it that way."

McNamara insisted his mother was innocent of placing a bomb under principal Lucas Giguere's Jeep and has an alibi.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crim...pts-raid-at-science-teachers-house/ar-BBGMvJ9
 
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At last! Perhaps this will help to heel the system.

'No shoes or socks' to stop India students from exam cheating

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Image captionIn 2016, parents of students were photographed climbing school walls to pass on answers in Bihar
Authorities in India's eastern state of Bihar have asked students not to wear shoes or socks to stop them from cheating during exams.

Officials told the BBC that the measure was to stop students from sneaking notes with answers into the exam hall.

The rule comes into effect on 21 February when roughly 1.8 million 15-year-olds will appear for their final school exam - the class 10 test.

Bihar has long been notorious for students cheating in tests.

Officials said students would also be searched before they enter the exam hall and that they would be monitored by video while writing answers to the exam questions. ...

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-43110226?ocid=socialflow_twitter
 
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