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A perfectly sacred place
Ancient Egyptians considered it the most perfect of all temples. Nevine El-Aref reports on recent discoveries as Karnak reveals more of its secrets

Even in ruins, Karnak Temple remains a spectacular sight. Within the temple enclosure is a cluster of pylons, sanctuaries, chapels and obelisks, forming a vast open-air exhibition of history set in stone. Much of the site still remains to be explored. This year, following a methodological plan of excavation, conservation and archaeological research, a team from the Centre Franco-Egyptian d'Etude des Temples de Karnak (CFEETK), along with their Egyptian colleagues, have executed an ambitious project in five areas of the temple.

The first to be highlighted is the reconstruction of Amenhotep II's calcite chapel, which adjoins its neighbour, the Red Chapel of Queen Hatshepsut, at the entrance of the temple's open-air museum. Although Amenhotep's chapel is built up of various types of stone, most of them are calcite. Two huge, 12-ton blocks forming the second course of the chapel's side walls bear vertical inscriptions featuring the diplomatic marriage of Pharaoh Ramses II to the daughter of the king of the Hittites after the signing of their bilateral peace treaty.

The lateral sides of the chapel's huge ceiling slab are equipped with impressive protrusions. These are just as visible on the outer face left side of the chapel, but on the right side both the decorative face and the protrusions have completely disappeared. A granite stelae of Amenhotep II was found, while some decorative elements telling of the Pharaoh's glory are carved horizontally on some the chapel's huge calcite blocks.

"Reconstructing such a puzzling chapel was a really impressive work, carried out this year by the Franco-Egyptian team," said Sabri Abdel- Aziz, head of the Ancient Egyptian antiquities department in the Supreme Council of Antiquities (SCA).

Abdel-Aziz said most of the chapel's blocks had been scattered all over Karnak Temple. Two calcite blocks were found inside the Temple of Mut, having been reused as stelae by Ramses II. The chapel's 90-ton ceiling slab was found inside the southern wing of the third pylon, while some decorative elements fixed against the chapel's back wall ware also found reused in the foundation of the fore gate built against the Fourth Pylon's gate by Tuthmosis IV. "Most of these blocks were in dire need of restoration," restorer Mohamed Hussein says.

He adds that the most fragile blocks were among those found in the Temple of Mut. They were suffering from deep cracks, a high rate of humidity and salts which were covering most of the surface. Meanwhile their decorative elements bore dark spots.

To make a proper and accurate reconstruction, Hussein said, all these blocks would have to be consolidated and the cracks reduced.

To separate the chapel's genuine foundation blocks from the ground in order to reduce erosion factors and the subterranean water level that could appear at anytime, a false foundation similar to the original one has been attached to the ground. Hussein promised that next season there would be a complete restoration project to return Amenhotep's calcite chapel to its original glory.

François Larché, director of CFEETK, said that architectural studies carried out on the reconstructed chapel had revealed that it originally stood before the Fourth Pylon, between the two obelisks of Tuthmosis. Further studies will take place over consecutive archaeological seasons to discover the chapel's original design.

The eastern side of the Sacred lake, dedicated to the dwellings of priests who served in the temple, was another working location as a continuation of the excavations carried out there since the 1970s. This year archaeologists discovered a number of ceramic fragments, tokens, seal imprints and coins dating from the reign of Pharaoh Shashanq I of the XXIInd Dynasty, as well as clay shreds and pots from the XXVIth and XXVIIth dynasties.

Silver ingots and two silver coins, originally from northern Greece and dating from about the XXVIIth Dynasty, were found at house number five. "This new discovery puts the emphasis on the wealth of its owner, and is much appreciated as giving a chronological fix, given that it places this treasure in history at the moment of the Persian debacle," Abdel-Aziz said. He added that the excavations revealed that the inhabitants of the houses were without doubt of high rank. Various titles of priests have been found, among them the priest in charge of opening the golden naos (shrine) of Amun.

In the area of the wall attributed to Tuthmosis III, rescue excavations executed in 1970s and in 2001 proved there was great activity in this area before the beginning of the New Kingdom. Archaeologist Aurelia Masson said that recent excavation had permitted the identification of eight phases of occupation, helped by abundant and various material: ceramics, seal prints, lithic tools, pearls and tokens. As chronological indicators these objects also testify to the function of their place of discovery. This excavation work, Masson said, has permitted the identification of three main historical periods ranging from the beginning of the First Intermediate Period to the beginning of the XIIth Dynasty; and from between the reigns of the XIIth-Dynasty pharaohs Sesostris II and Amenemhat III to the XIIIth Dynasty.

In order to join the new excavations to the older ones the modern fill was cleared and the foundation trench of the precinct wall was excavated. New structures began to appear. A bakery building dating from the XIIth Dynasty was found, along with bread moulds, a number of jars for storing cereals, and sickles, as well as silos associated with grinders and crushers. To the north of these structures a large quantity of wood was discovered inside a space delimited by mud-brick walls, at the same level as the bakery floor. Although the levels in connection with this wood had not yet been excavated, Masson said, it was possible to imagine a workshop whose waste was used as fuel for the bakery. Workshops with miscellaneous function could thus be mixed together in this area.

A geological study has been carried out by British geologists in order to complete the stratigraphy of the area. Geologist Sally Ann Ashton said that samples taken down to a depth of 72ms testified to human occupation, while below that level there appeared only layers of sand and silt. The sounding reached a depth of 73.8ms, revealing an occupation dating from the XIth Dynasty. "As the coring shows, the two metres of stratigraphy which still have to be dug will permit us to check whether remains earlier than the XIth Dynasty exist," Ashton said.

Excavations continued at the symbolic osirian catacombs found on the northeastern side of Karnak Temple. These are vaulted, mud-brick catacombs dating from the Late Dynastic Saite period, and include three levels of niche burials.

The top one is the most complete, being closer to the outside ground level. Many small osiride or mummiform figurines were unearthed. These are made of sand and plaster in the shape of a wrapped body wearing the white crown, and are decorated with representations of the "four sons of Horus" and by a flat oval item near the head, probably a scarab. These catacombs are the symbolic tombs of Osiris, and this is where a yearly funerary ritual was held in the month of Khoiak. This was the month associated with the funeral rites commemorating the life, death and re-birth of Osiris.

Approximately 40,000 painted limestone fragments and some fragile pieces of gypsum collected from the site are the best preserved decorations of the catacombs' southern corridor. They show the 77 guardian gods beside the Pharaoh's body. A project to re-assemble these fragments is now underway, and a great number has already been put together. After completion, which is expected to take another year, the relief will be reconstructed.

Excavation work at the Fifth Pylon was carried out in order to re-draw the plan of the Middle Kingdom mud-brick structures. "We uncovered a grid of parallel and perpendicular walls under levels dated to the New Kingdom, as well as ceramic materials which allowed us to date these walls from the end of the XIth or the beginning of the XIIth dynasties," Larché said. "We could also relate them to the other mud-brick structures cleared last year in the central zone."

Larché said that two hypothesis could be proposed for the use to which these walls had been put: they could be the foundations of a precinct or of a mud-brick pylon. As in the northern courtyard at the Fifth Pylon, fragments of a sandstone architrave in the name of Sesostris I, as well as fragments of octagonal sandstone columns, were reused in the southern courtyard as foundations for the base of Tuthmosis I's colonnade. While research was taking place at the northern end of the halls built by Queen Hatshepsut to determine the precise dating of the foundations of Tuthmosis III's chapels, Egyptologist Guillaume Charloux uncovered a narrow, 20m-long sandstone water channel underneath the paving of the easternmost chapel. This channel runs northwards as far as the southern face of the inner wall. Southwards, this channel was cut where the Hatshepsut halls were built. The stratigraphic study, Charloux said, permitted the dating of this channel to the reign of Amenhotep I, since the foundation of a wall was built in the time of this Pharaoh it took account of the passage of the channel. "This channel is composed of two courses perfectly fitted and sealed with plaster to make it waterproof," Charloux said.

Among the most significant restoration projects, and being achieved totally by Egyptian restorers, is the consolidation and removal of Amenhotep III's red granite scarab situated on the north side of the Sacred Lake. This has been relocated to the lake's western side in order to make more space for the influx of tourists inside the temple. Before the removal comprehensive consolidation and cleaning took place.

Next month, said Zahi Hawass secretary- general of the Supreme Council of Antiquities (SCA), the Ministry of Culture will launch an international tender to install a proper drainage system in the informal housing areas around both Karnak and Luxor temples, as well as installing a new irrigation system to drain surplus irrigation water away from both temples. The tender follows two years of studies carried out by a Swedish company, SWECO, which is involved in water damage intervention, in collaboration with the United States Agency for International Development (USAID) to prevent the infiltration of underground water to both temples.

Abdel-Hamid Qutb head of the engineering department in the secretary-general's office said that as a first step before the studies are completed, the Ministry of Irrigation tested out a variation in the irrigation system used in sugar cane cultivation, which involved switching from the traditional method of basin irrigation to a sprinkler system. So far, 100 feddans under cultivation west of the temple have employed this new system.

"The rising of water in this period is a natural matter," said Holeil Ghali head of antiquities of Upper Egypt. He added there are three reasons for the rising water table. The first is the cultivation of sugar cane beside the temple, while the second the heightened level of the Nile in July and August. "The third," he said, "is the weak drainage system in the slum areas behind Karnak." It is hoped that at least some of these issues can be addressed.

SPRUCING UP THE VALLEY: At the valley of the Kings on Luxor's West Bank, where the great Pharaohs were laid to rest, the SCA is undertaking another site management project with a budget of .6 million offered as a grant by the Japanese government. This project aims at developing and upgrading the area of the Valley of the Kings with a spruced-up Visitor Centre, a new security system and stricter rule for visitors. Sabri Abdel-Aziz, head of the SCA's Ancient Egyptian Antiquities Department, told Al-Ahram Weekly that in addition to improving lighting and some restoration work on most of the tombs, the development project would provide a Visitor Centre similar to the one at Abu Simbel Temple. The centre would be equipped with a lecture hall and a screen room showing documentaries about the significant discoveries of the last century, such as the discovery of the tomb of Tutankhamun along with other documentaries about major restoration projects, including the restoration of Nefertari's tomb. A selection of photographs showing most of the important reliefs inside the valley's various tombs will be also on display.

Bookshops and bazaars selling replicas will be also provided. As part of the valley's site management project, there will be a large parking area at the valley's entrance. Visitors will be moved in and out of the necropolis through a battery-operated train with six small coaches.

A climatic control device will be installed inside the valley in order to control the rate of humidity inside each tomb. Reliefs have been adversely affected by visitors' respiration. The Valley's mapping project will run simultaneously in parallel with the later scheduled development. It aims at providing a detailed map and database of every archaeological, geological, and ethnographic feature in the valley as a step to protecting and preserving this magnificent site.

To safeguard the Valley of the Kings a high-tech security systems similar to the one operative at the Egyptian Museum will be installed. The new system includes mobile and fixed CCTV cameras, keeping the corridors and chambers of the tombs, as well as the surrounding area, under close surveillance at all times.
 
Karnak is intrinsically Fortean and features in numerous theories on ancient astronauts, Atlantis, etc., etc.

[edit: I just looked and it is featured quite a bit in the indexes of Hancock's "Sign and Seal" and Colin Wlson's "Atlantis and The Sphinx" ]

Emps
 
Pharaonic tomb find stuns Egypt

Archaeologists have discovered an intact, ancient Egyptian tomb in the Valley of the Kings, the first since King Tutankhamun's was found in 1922.
A team led by the University of Memphis found the previously unknown tomb complete with unopened sarcophagi and five undisturbed mummies.

The archaeologists have not yet been able to identify them.

The Valley of the Kings near Luxor in southern Egypt was used for burials for around 500 years from 1540BC onwards.

The tomb, the 63rd discovered since the valley was first mapped in the 18th century, was unexpectedly found only 5m away from King Tutankhamun's, a member of the team told the BBC's World Tonight.

Patricia Podzorski, curator of Egyptian Art at the University of Memphis, said the team had not been looking for it.

Surprise

"The excavation team was focused on the tomb of a 19th Dynasty pharaoh, King Amenmesses," she said.

"They were working in front of the tomb looking for foundation deposits possibly related to that tomb, and clearing away some workmen's huts from the 19th Dynasty that were both to the left and right side of the tomb," she explained.

"Underneath these workmen's huts, they found a shaft."

Four metres below the ground was a single chamber containing sarcophagi with coloured funery masks and more than 20 large storage jars bearing Pharaonic seals.

The sarcophagi were buried rapidly in the small tomb for an unknown reason.

Ms Podzorski said the tomb was thought to date from the 18th Pharaonic Dynasty, the first dynasty of the New Kingdom which ruled between 1539BC and 1292BC and made its capital in Thebes, the present city of Luxor.

The discovery has come as a surprise to many, Ms Podzorski added.

"People have been saying the valley was done for 100 years," she said.

"They said it before Howard Carter found King Tutankhamun's tomb and they said it after. But, obviously, they are still wrong."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle ... 700032.stm
 
This is great stuff... though I wonder how long before a "curse of the mummy's tomb" will begin to decend on the proceedings... :shock: :D
 
One of the sarcophagi is photographed on pg 3 of today's times (UK) it looks spectacular, and it is believed there are more to be found nearby
 
Thats ok, we need a good curse.

Parhaps it might strike some Egyptian prominent in arcaelogy...
 
shame they cant just leave the poor souls be aint it
i mean it is a grave and lets face it theres NOWT to be leanred is there
just what is the point cant they do something usefull with there time?
 
<sigh> Im tired and I cant be bothered to counter argue.

Could someone else please help me? Something like we need to understand and conserve the past, also stuff like how Howard Carters discoveries revolutionised art of the 30s?????
 
And how it could be discoveries like this inspire some kid to get into archaeology or other sciences, like medical, for ex. that all humanity could benefit from......
 
Anyone got any further info on finds etc? I've searched various sites but can't find any updates as yet.
 
yeh thats right
the valley of the kings inspired:
albert enstien,gerorge clooney,mary poppins and em..
general robert e lee

fact is it may have been worth while in the 30s but am pritty sure a dog that can say sauasages has been bigger news scince and would probably inspire people as much.
 
tinfinger, i don;t want to speak out of turn, but it may be noted possibly that inspiration is not always indicated by the major facets of human life. inspiring many people who would otherwise never have heard of it to read about a civilisation outside their own experience is something in itself. small as it may be, inspiration cannot always be measured, and it's value is to the people whom it matters to. on a small scale in the grand frame of existence, my dad inspires me a lot, but i'm sure hollywood isnt gonna make a film about him eh? it doesn't mean that i don't want to acknowledge the benefits of his wisdom.
if i have missed the point (which i am occasionally wont to do!) apologies, it is just that it seems like this discovery does matter to a few people here, and perhaps it would be better asking why it matters to them than stating it does not matter at all?
im off for a sleep now, having exhausted my brain! :shock:
 
PRAVDA

Wasn't it around a year ago that PRAVDA "revealed" that a major pharaonic tomb had been discovered intact in the Valley, then retracted the story several days later, saying that the website had itself been hoaxed?

I suspect now that this must have been an early leak from the actual excavation site.
 
Egypt Pharaoh find 'not a tomb'

Archaeologists in Egypt have said that a chamber unearthed last month in the Valley of the Kings was not a tomb as first thought.
Instead the room was used by the ancient Egyptians for mummifying pharaohs.

The chamber was discovered in the Valley of the Kings by a team from the University of Memphis.

It contained seven wooden coffins and a number of sealed jars.

The find dates from the 18th Pharaonic Dynasty, the first of the New Kingdom which ruled between 1539BC and 1292BC and made its capital in Thebes, now Luxor.

Room for mummification

At the time, Egypt's head of antiquities, Zahi Hawass, speculated that the coffins belonged "to royals or nobles" moved from "original graves to protect them from grave robbers".

But further examination has revealed that the area was in fact an embalmers workshop.

Five coffins contained remnants of pottery, shrouds and materials used in mummification.

The sealed jars held other materials used in the embalming process.

Now Dr Hawass has issued a brief statement saying "this... is not a tomb for nobles or relatives of a king, as had been thought upon its discovery, but rather a room for mummification".

Mystery

Dr Salima Ikram, associate professor at the American University in Cairo, who was also part of the archaeological mission, denies this is an embarrassment for the Council of Antiquities.

She told the BBC that the site still remains something of a mystery and represents an historic and important find.

"In terms of what it tells us, it provides important information about funerary rites and rituals," she said.

"But it is still a mystery as to who this belongs to and it could lead to other discoveries in the valley."

Archaeologists have more work to do on the site. Out of seven coffins, two may still contain mummified remains.

Despite the advance of science, discoveries like this are often a variable combination of luck and serendipity, Dr Ikram said.

"It is like shaking a wrapped Christmas present and trying to guess what is inside"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle ... 810282.stm
 
House of Death

The discovery of an actual embalmers' work-station of the fabled House of Death, full of the accoutrements of the Egyptian funerary arts, strikes me as a lot more interesting and potentially a great deal more rewarding than just another uncovering of one more court functionary's tomb.

Question, though - were embalmings normally carried out WITHIN the Valley? Or might this facility actually have been a REPAIR station to help put things right after tombs were ransacked and mummies damaged?
 
That's what I thought when I read this, too, Mr. Radio - lots more data in a workstation than in a grave. That repair-station idea is an interesting one. My impression (but I haven't researched this in detail, purely casual reading) was that mummies were embalmed by specialized priests in a particular area of the temples. However, workmen lived and worked in the Valley of the Kings - had to, in order to build and decorate the tombs, supply them with grave goods, etc. Keeping repair staff on hand might make sense.

Also, we shouldn't overlook the fact that Egyptian history is really, really long in human terms. Their procedures changed over time, so maybe the preferred location for making the mummies did, too. Or maybe kings were mummified in temples and lesser ranks were mummified in workshops. Or maybe -

This is why I love archeology. We'll all have to wait till they're done and read the books.
 
That's what I thought when I read this, too, Mr. Radio - lots more data in a workstation than in a grave. That repair-station idea is an interesting one. My impression (but I haven't researched this in detail, purely casual reading) was that mummies were embalmed by specialized priests in a particular area of the temples. However, workmen lived and worked in the Valley of the Kings - had to, in order to build and decorate the tombs, supply them with grave goods, etc. Keeping repair staff on hand might make sense.

Also, we shouldn't overlook the fact that Egyptian history is really, really long in human terms. Their procedures changed over time, so maybe the preferred location for making the mummies did, too. Or maybe kings were mummified in temples and lesser ranks were mummified in workshops. Or maybe -

This is why I love archeology. We'll all have to wait till they're done and read the books.
 
PeniG said:
"Also, we shouldn't overlook the fact that Egyptian history is really, really long in human terms."

People are usually a little surprised when I explain to them that the ancient Egyptians had archaeologists of their own.
 
http://www.sploid.com/news/2006/03/lionheaded_godd.php
March 08, 2006 at 04:37 PM
Lion-headed goddess found in Egypt!
[And her chief delight was in slaughter, and her pleasure was in blood ...]

Egyptians are horrified at the discovery of six ancient statues of Sekhmet beneath a temple in Luxor.

That's because the lion-headed Sekhmet is known and feared as the Lady of Slaughter and the Bringer of Plagues.

According to the Book of Re, Sekhmet destroyed all of humanity once before. Ever since, Egyptians have lived in terror that She would eventually return.

Archaeologists announced their stunning find on Monday in Cairo. The Egyptian and German team was only doing routine restoration work on the temple of Pharaoh Amenhotep III when they stumbled upon the six massive black-granite statues of the vengeful goddess of war and death.

Amenhotep III collected statues of the fearsome monster god because he believed She would fix his health problems. She didn't, and he died.

Sekhmet was the war goddess of Upper Egypt. After Lower Egypt was conquered and consumed by the neighboring dynasty, She became the most powerful war goddess of all.

Statues of Sekhmet are said to be so powerful that ancient priests coated them with anthrax to keep desperate thieves away -- those who tried to make Sekhmet their own were instead killed by the deadly biological weapon.

Her constant wrath led to Egyptian men to believe she controlled female menstruation, as well.
The anthrax bit seems potentially a bit UL-ish, but certainly Fortean...

(link contains lots of "further info" links embedded in text of story, Wikipedia style)
 
Nice find nataraja, and may be the actual find is timely what with the news of bird flu and Ebola today. ;) Appreciated the funny at the end of the article :lol:
 
Her constant wrath led to Egyptian men to believe she controlled female menstruation, as well.

Hahaha :) Ach, It is nice to know that some things never change eh, no matter how far back you go...
 
I thought the PMT reference was good too ;)

The anthrax aspect is at Wikipedia:

In order to placate Sekhmet's wrath, her priesthood felt compelled to perform a ritual before a different statue of her on each day of the year, leading to it being estimated that over seven hundred statues of Sekhmet once stood in the funerary temple of Amenhotep III, on the west bank of the Nile. It was said that her priests protected her statues from theft or vandalism by coating them with anthrax, and so Sekhmet was also seen as a bringer of disease, to be prayed to so as to cure such ills by placating her. The name "Sekhmet" literally became synonymous with doctors and surgeons during the Middle Kingdom. In antiquity, many of Sekhmet's priests were often considered to be on the same level as physicians.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sekhmet

Although there are no sources.

I am interested why Egyptians would be horrified?

A Hymn of Sekhmet says:

Mine is a heart of carnelian, crimson as murder on a holy day.
Mine is a heart of corneal, the gnarled roots of a dogwood and the bursting of flowers.
I am the broken wax seal on my lover's letters.
I am the phoenix, the fiery sun, consuming and resuming myself.
I will what I will.
Mine is a heart of carnelian, blood red as the crest of a phoenix.

---------
Here is a less sensationalist report with piccies of the finds:

Ancient war goddess statues unearthed in Egypt



CAIRO - A team of Egyptian and German archeologists has unearthed six statues of the lion-headed war goddess Sekhmet during restoration work at an ancient temple in the southern city of Luxor, officials said Monday.

The team found the artifacts in the Kom Hitan area on the location of the 18th dynasty (1580-1314 BC) temple of pharaoh Amenhotep III on the west bank of the Nile, said Egyptian antiquities boss Zahi Hawas.

The black granite statues show Sekhmet sitting on a throne holding the "key of life" in her left hand. They were buried under the eastern wall of the temple's courtyard, Hawas said in a statement.

Three of the statues were recovered intact, said Horig Sourouzian, head of the joint team.

She added that the lower part of the third statue was still embedded in the ground and that the two others had their upper parts missing.

Hawas said the team had already discovered 30 statues of the goddess Sekhmet at seven different locations around the temple.

The goddess Sekhmet was associated with war and retribution and represented the destructive force of the sun. Part of her destructive side was disease and plague, but she could also cure ailments.

Pharaoh Amenhotep III collected many statues of Sekhmet as, according to some theories, he had dental and other health problems that he hoped the goddess would be able to cure.

www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=15916
 
"Egyptians are horrified at the discovery of six ancient statues of Sekhmet beneath a temple in Luxor. That's because the lion-headed Sekhmet is known and feared as the Lady of Slaughter and the Bringer of Plagues. According to the Book of Re, Sekhmet destroyed all of humanity once before. Ever since, Egyptians have lived in terror that She would eventually return."

ARE the Old Gods still held in such fear and awe in contemporary Egypt?

I find that especially difficult to conceive in the Luxor area, which has been long Occidentalized and Europeanized by the tourist trade. (Luxor had electric lights, telephones, motion picture theaters and streetcar lines by at least 1915.)
 
Perhaps the Anthrax might have caused them a slight furrowed brow? ;)
 
OldTimeRadio said:
"Egyptians are horrified at the discovery of six ancient statues of Sekhmet beneath a temple in Luxor. That's because the lion-headed Sekhmet is known and feared as the Lady of Slaughter and the Bringer of Plagues. According to the Book of Re, Sekhmet destroyed all of humanity once before. Ever since, Egyptians have lived in terror that She would eventually return."

ARE the Old Gods still held in such fear and awe in contemporary Egypt?

I find that especially difficult to conceive in the Luxor area, which has been long Occidentalized and Europeanized by the tourist trade. (Luxor had electric lights, telephones, motion picture theaters and streetcar lines by at least 1915.)

....and apart from that the vast majority of Eqyptians have Muslims for well over 1000 years, and the ones that aren't are generally christians.
 
That is not to say that culturally and historically the old gods do not still have an impact.

Look at the faerie customs, superstition and pratices in the UK, particularly Scotland and Ireland for example, all very Christianised and has been for a long, long time. Respect, practices, myth and legend and in some cases fear still remains in some places and is still a part of the culture. I see no reason it would not be the same for the Egyptians who have a much larger physically solid reminder of their old gods than we do of the faerie/sidhe and our Celtic past.
 
<nods>

who was it said that the closest thing to an ancient egyptian is a modern one??

(was it margaret Murray?)
 
Kondoru said:
<nods>

who was it said that the closest thing to an ancient egyptian is a modern one??

(was it margaret Murray?)
A fascinating concept, since the Ancient Egyptians were most likely North Africans, and the modern Egyptians are Arabs.
 
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