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ramonmercado

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Another weirdness. Military police deployed in China to stop farmers growing crops they didn't approve:


I mean, heck, they are just growing food... but somehow that's wrong?
The stupids are definitely in charge now.

While I'd generally approve of using Military police against farmers this seems OTT. Anybody aware of background info regarding this?
 

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While I'd generally approve of using Military police against farmers this seems OTT. Anybody aware of background info regarding this?

ls this related?

“China reins in rural 'enforcers' amid outcry over backyard vegetable-growing ban

A ban on backyard plots of melons, squashes or beans sparks fears over Mao-era agricultural controls.

China's propaganda machine has been scrambling to soothe public anger amid reports that local "agricultural management" officials threatened to uproot backyard fruit and vegetable plots as part of a rural "beautification" campaign.

"Due to the need to create a civilized environment, the planting of climbing vegetables like beans or melons and squashes in front and backyards is strictly forbidden," a notice placed in a village near the northern city of Xian dated April 1 said.

"That includes cucumbers, tomatoes, loofahs, pumpkins, zucchini, etc," said the notice, which caused an outcry after it was photographed and posted by a social media user from the village.

"The village committee will be sending personnel to carry out spot checks, and to destroy any [forbidden crops]," said the notice.”

https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/garden-ban-04192023130559.html

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ls this related?

“China reins in rural 'enforcers' amid outcry over backyard vegetable-growing ban

A ban on backyard plots of melons, squashes or beans sparks fears over Mao-era agricultural controls.

China's propaganda machine has been scrambling to soothe public anger amid reports that local "agricultural management" officials threatened to uproot backyard fruit and vegetable plots as part of a rural "beautification" campaign.

"Due to the need to create a civilized environment, the planting of climbing vegetables like beans or melons and squashes in front and backyards is strictly forbidden," a notice placed in a village near the northern city of Xian dated April 1 said.

"That includes cucumbers, tomatoes, loofahs, pumpkins, zucchini, etc," said the notice, which caused an outcry after it was photographed and posted by a social media user from the village.

"The village committee will be sending personnel to carry out spot checks, and to destroy any [forbidden crops]," said the notice.”

https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/garden-ban-04192023130559.html

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It does seem to be connected with that.
What is the real motivation behind this? I find it to be illogical.
 

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It does seem to be connected with that.
What is the real motivation behind this? I find it to be illogical.

To make the area look pretty. It's not unusual in the West (especially in the USA) to have ordinances against growing vegetables etc in front gardens.
 

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To make the area look pretty. It's not unusual in the West (especially in the USA) to have ordinances against growing vegetables etc in front gardens.
Sure. It keeps the property prices high.
The USA also has some odd ideas... for example, not allowing people to collect and store rainwater in some states and counties.
 

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Over here (UK) you can have a nice collection of mattresses and old car parts and no one gives a toss.
True at the moment. Not for much longer, I suspect.
 

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Another weirdness. Military police deployed in China to stop farmers growing crops they didn't approve:


I mean, heck, they are just growing food... but somehow that's wrong?
The stupids are definitely in charge now.
"Dutch Farmers"
 

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I don't really have much to say about the conspiracy to engineer shortages however I do believe that many large corporations are price gouging in order to make up for losses made during the pandemic in particular energy companies
 

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Neil McCoy-Ward again, exposing the sheer lunacy behind the drive to shut down Dutch farms:

 

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I'm damn sure that supermarkets are too.
On the news this morning, it seems potatoes are on the list, i.e. means that chips will probably have to be increased in price! Who would have dreamt years ago that one day the British staple - fish & chips would one day cost over £10:00 eh?
 

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Sure. It keeps the property prices high.
The USA also has some odd ideas... for example, not allowing people to collect and store rainwater in some states and counties.
We can collect rainwater here, when I was a kid my Dad always kept a drum under the leader coming from the roof gutter, in order to catch all the rain, and my Mum would water the vegetable garden with that. We had a huge yard full of trees and flowers.
These days, I don't see anyone doing that - then they whine about the price of water increases!
 

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We can collect rainwater here, when I was a kid my Dad always kept a drum under the leader coming from the roof gutter, in order to catch all the rain, and my Mum would water the vegetable garden with that. We had a huge yard full of trees and flowers.
These days, I don't see anyone doing that - then they whine about the price of water increases!
Some states have areas where it's not allowed.
It seems just ludicrous.
It may be because the local water companies have bought somebody off. Or something like that.
 

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Neil Oliver's take on the issue:

 

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Some states have areas where it's not allowed.
It seems just ludicrous.
It may be because the local water companies have bought somebody off. Or something like that.

I think in some US states this is goes way back to the settlement era - when land rights and water rights were established as different economic entities. Rainwater is effectively deemed to be groundwater in waiting - and therefore belongs to the owner of the latter, not the person who happens to just live under where it falls. I believe I've read somewhere that there's at least one state where it's legal to sell and own a rainwater butt - but not to fill it. It seems utterly bonkers, but it's really just a product of historical frontier capitalism.

I think the issue with greywater is possibly more to do with the potentially harmful effects of impurities - like, for instance, detergents - if the water is not treated properly or is reused inappropriately.
 
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