I don't think it's more demonic possession about, though they may be right about belief in demons as a factor, I think it's the same reason troubled people seek out quacks and psychics, they want a magic spell solution to deep-seated psychological problems. The mind doesn't work like that, so they keep coming back, uncured, and going away uncured, in a cycle. Exorcism doesn't work, either, no matter what the movies say (or maybe they do say: there's always sequels, right?).
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Yeah, I suppose there are more things in heaven and earth and all that. But supernatural possession is something far easier explained by psychological problems, and propagating the idea that they're caused by non-existent entities is something to take major issue with, especially when there are profits, both social and financial, to be made by the unscrupulous or misguided.
Unfortunately this is so true. Hucksters, people suffering from delusions, those seeking publicity, tend to make most of the noise. And noise it is, since it can prevent us from getting the small nugget of truth that exist. This is common to many Fortean topics, i.e.: cryptozoology, the supernatural (including exorcism).
Reading the above made me think of the churches here in my town.
The one church that might be said to seek demons seems to find them. My perception is that it is a church in love with esoterica but doesn't realise it.
A nearby village was (or is) home to that rare beast, an Anglican exorcist - Rev. Tom Willis. My Mother worked with his wife; says she was lovely (apropos of nothing..)
Roger Nowell - proudly demon-free since 1970
The one church that might be said to seek demons seems to find them. My perception is that it is a church in love with esoterica but doesn't realise it.
A nearby village was (or is) home to that rare beast, an Anglican exorcist - Rev. Tom Willis. My Mother worked with his wife; says she was lovely (apropos of nothing..)
Roger Nowell - proudly demon-free since 1970
Another victim of religious fanatics, they are the ones who are crazy.
A mentally ill man died after his family tied him up for days in the belief he was “possessed”, a court has heard.
Kennedy Ife’s parents and five brothers are accused of manslaughter, false imprisonment and causing his death through a botched exorcism at their home in north London.
Opening their trial at the Old Bailey, prosecutors said the family restrained the 26-year-old marketing consultant with cable ties, rope and handcuffs for several days leading up to his death on 22 August 2016.
Prosecutor Tom Little QC told the court Mr Ife died because “his own family decided that because he had become and remained unwell, he should be restrained. The 999 call that was eventually made for expert assistance was too late,” he said. “The family put misguided religious beliefs about this young man being possessed by a demon or evil spirits before the obvious and common sense conclusion that he needed help and did not need to be restrained.”
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...g2YpmEsuCYKP9l2-BHabbUJKi4#Echobox=1549314201
A mentally ill man died after his family tied him up for days in the belief he was “possessed”, a court has heard.
Kennedy Ife’s parents and five brothers are accused of manslaughter, false imprisonment and causing his death through a botched exorcism at their home in north London.
Opening their trial at the Old Bailey, prosecutors said the family restrained the 26-year-old marketing consultant with cable ties, rope and handcuffs for several days leading up to his death on 22 August 2016.
Prosecutor Tom Little QC told the court Mr Ife died because “his own family decided that because he had become and remained unwell, he should be restrained. The 999 call that was eventually made for expert assistance was too late,” he said. “The family put misguided religious beliefs about this young man being possessed by a demon or evil spirits before the obvious and common sense conclusion that he needed help and did not need to be restrained.”
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...g2YpmEsuCYKP9l2-BHabbUJKi4#Echobox=1549314201
The money could be better spent.
More than two hundred Italian public school teachers expressed their willingness to take a special course in which they would be trained to expel the devil from students who were under his influence.
The 40-hour course in 'exorcisms and prayers of liberation' is being provided by the Vatican-affiliated Pontifical University of Regina Apostolorum. This kind of training, which costs $450, was initiated by Italian Minister of Education Marco Bussetti and is conducted with the support of the Catholic clergy, according to the Daily Mail.
Representatives of the opposition in the Italian government have stated that the country had more important problems than the obsession with Satan, and criticised the course offered to teachers as "a return to the Middle Ages".
https://sputniknews.com/europe/2019...K44BL7s0Ttw7soLBifib5HFJUiHjr6bi3qNxynJqFgVqA
More than two hundred Italian public school teachers expressed their willingness to take a special course in which they would be trained to expel the devil from students who were under his influence.
The 40-hour course in 'exorcisms and prayers of liberation' is being provided by the Vatican-affiliated Pontifical University of Regina Apostolorum. This kind of training, which costs $450, was initiated by Italian Minister of Education Marco Bussetti and is conducted with the support of the Catholic clergy, according to the Daily Mail.
Representatives of the opposition in the Italian government have stated that the country had more important problems than the obsession with Satan, and criticised the course offered to teachers as "a return to the Middle Ages".
https://sputniknews.com/europe/2019...K44BL7s0Ttw7soLBifib5HFJUiHjr6bi3qNxynJqFgVqA
Here's a guy who believes in Possession and the need for Exorcism.
Chai Brady discusses addiction, mental health, evil spirits and exorcism with Fr Pat Collins
“Who do you think you are, do you think you have any control over me?”
Those were the demonic words spoken by a woman in a “gruff raspy voice” alien to her normal inflection, according to Ireland’s most renowned exorcist when he had started praying to expel an evil spirit from her body.
Fr Pat Collins says he has had several encounters with entities many would believe to be the works of superstition or filmmakers’ imaginations.
Despite disbelief and even outrage from many, the priest has held to his guns about the increasing need for exorcism and what’s known as ‘deliverance ministry’ in Ireland, so much so that he has started training teams of people from around Ireland to combat evil spirits.
Speaking to The Irish Catholic Fr Pat said: “This area has been totally neglected. I’ve been appealing for years to the bishops to really take this seriously because there’s a tsunami of need emerging and there are very few people who are competent to respond to that and I think it’s so unfair for the people suffering.”
“I don’t know how many official exorcists there are in the country, maybe two or three, every diocese should have one. In fact, I think every diocese should have two or three and furthermore I think they should be trained, you’re not going to be let loose as a counsellor or a therapist, or any other form of ministry, unless you’ve got thorough training, unless there are protocols and so on.”
There are many ways to leave yourself open to oppression by evil spirts, he says, and because of “ignorance really, or naivety” people are being infected.
https://www.irishcatholic.com/where-angels-fear-to-tread/
Chai Brady discusses addiction, mental health, evil spirits and exorcism with Fr Pat Collins
“Who do you think you are, do you think you have any control over me?”
Those were the demonic words spoken by a woman in a “gruff raspy voice” alien to her normal inflection, according to Ireland’s most renowned exorcist when he had started praying to expel an evil spirit from her body.
Fr Pat Collins says he has had several encounters with entities many would believe to be the works of superstition or filmmakers’ imaginations.
Despite disbelief and even outrage from many, the priest has held to his guns about the increasing need for exorcism and what’s known as ‘deliverance ministry’ in Ireland, so much so that he has started training teams of people from around Ireland to combat evil spirits.
Speaking to The Irish Catholic Fr Pat said: “This area has been totally neglected. I’ve been appealing for years to the bishops to really take this seriously because there’s a tsunami of need emerging and there are very few people who are competent to respond to that and I think it’s so unfair for the people suffering.”
“I don’t know how many official exorcists there are in the country, maybe two or three, every diocese should have one. In fact, I think every diocese should have two or three and furthermore I think they should be trained, you’re not going to be let loose as a counsellor or a therapist, or any other form of ministry, unless you’ve got thorough training, unless there are protocols and so on.”
There are many ways to leave yourself open to oppression by evil spirts, he says, and because of “ignorance really, or naivety” people are being infected.
https://www.irishcatholic.com/where-angels-fear-to-tread/
Good to see that the RCC isn't being possessive with it's exorcism course.
For the first time in 14 years, the Roman Catholic Church has opened up its annual exorcism class in Rome to all major Christian faiths in a bid to stem the rising tide of demonic forces around the world.
“The idea is to help each other, to establish best practices if you will,” Father Pedro Barrajon, 61, one of the organizers of the 14th edition of the “Course on Exorcism and Prayer of Liberation,” taking place at the Pontifical University of Regina Apostolorum, told the Telegraph. “This is the first time that different denominations have come together to compare their experiences on exorcisms.”
The one week course which is taught in Italian at a cost of approximately $450 is being held May 6- 11.
It is described as the first course in the world that proposes careful academic and interdisciplinary research of exorcisms.
https://www.christianpost.com/news/...SVygcQb1iqJGttz3eL8DhfC-jdG3SeiWs9DBBQyL2JzVw
For the first time in 14 years, the Roman Catholic Church has opened up its annual exorcism class in Rome to all major Christian faiths in a bid to stem the rising tide of demonic forces around the world.
“The idea is to help each other, to establish best practices if you will,” Father Pedro Barrajon, 61, one of the organizers of the 14th edition of the “Course on Exorcism and Prayer of Liberation,” taking place at the Pontifical University of Regina Apostolorum, told the Telegraph. “This is the first time that different denominations have come together to compare their experiences on exorcisms.”
The one week course which is taught in Italian at a cost of approximately $450 is being held May 6- 11.
It is described as the first course in the world that proposes careful academic and interdisciplinary research of exorcisms.
https://www.christianpost.com/news/...SVygcQb1iqJGttz3eL8DhfC-jdG3SeiWs9DBBQyL2JzVw
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Not only press reports, I can recommend a couple of films too.
The documentary Libera Nos (Deliver Us) presents exorcisms in such mundane circumstances that it becomes damning in its banality:
IMDB page
And the true life fictionalisation of a series of exorcisms on a mentally ill young woman, Requiem, from the tragic Annaliese Michel case:
IMDB page
Both of which should make any reasonable person very angry after watching.
The documentary Libera Nos (Deliver Us) presents exorcisms in such mundane circumstances that it becomes damning in its banality:
IMDB page
And the true life fictionalisation of a series of exorcisms on a mentally ill young woman, Requiem, from the tragic Annaliese Michel case:
IMDB page
Both of which should make any reasonable person very angry after watching.
Occasional dark forces beyond our understanding may exist. I refuse to dismiss exorcisms - demons - malevolent spirits completly out of hand. They're common to nearly all belief systems (not just that of Catholics - Christians), Hindu's, Jews, Muslims, animist, etc..
I remain very skeptical of such reports, yet keep an open mind towards cryptids, spiritual entities (including demons), unproven dimensions , ancient finding that could change our current understanding of paleontology, anthropology, archaeology. I'm getting off topic.
The problems with such events they're difficult to prove using the scientific method and the world is filled with huckster and delusional people who propel nonsense.
I remain very skeptical of such reports, yet keep an open mind towards cryptids, spiritual entities (including demons), unproven dimensions , ancient finding that could change our current understanding of paleontology, anthropology, archaeology. I'm getting off topic.
The problems with such events they're difficult to prove using the scientific method and the world is filled with huckster and delusional people who propel nonsense.
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You've perfectly summed up our approach as "Spectral Paranormal" ... there's three of us, we all believe there's something else out there but we're also aware we could wind ourselves and each other up if we're not careful .. and that other people sometimes think we're deluded ..
We challenge each other on purpose, offer the most sensible explanations so we can eliminate as much as we can. Sometimes we have some compelling unexplained stuff that we might be able to also explain away later (at the moment, we triangulate our recording devices so if someone says something lame sounding we can see what the other two cameras and three digital recorders pick up or not) .. when we can't after all that, we get excited and it happen more than you'd think.
We challenge each other on purpose, offer the most sensible explanations so we can eliminate as much as we can. Sometimes we have some compelling unexplained stuff that we might be able to also explain away later (at the moment, we triangulate our recording devices so if someone says something lame sounding we can see what the other two cameras and three digital recorders pick up or not) .. when we can't after all that, we get excited and it happen more than you'd think.