Fall Of Lucifer

[Kondoru]

Ah! we need a decent Trickster...welcome back, Loki.

and I seem to recall, that Jinn `do` have freewill. Whether or not they are evil is never decided. They have their own agenda.

And good, according to my muslim friends, is serving god.

But how do you serve god??

 

[UsernameHere1]

I read an account quite recently (perhaps even here) that suggested that the islamic Satan is a trickster/deceiver type of a thing, as mentioned above, rather than an embodiment of evil. Consequently Saddam using the term "The Great Satan" to describe Bush (? I think it was Bush, but I don't recall exactly) l meant the great liar, rather than the embodiment of all evil as it was understood in western countries with a Christian heritage.

IIRC, the Islamic Satan is a bumbling idiot.

 

[Anonymous]

I know you are all thinking it, so let me say it:

Just like Bush?



LD

 

[ramonmercado]

It was Paradise Lost by John Milton which drew on
mainly apocryphal sources to elaborate the tale of
the Fall of Satan. And a very good read too, if you
weren't scared by it in school.

Blake reckoned that Milton was of the Devil's party
without knowing it. Since then some scholars have
suggested that Milton knew very well that the Devil
was the hero.

I recommend the truly weird Esoteric website where
a piece on Milton's religion can be found along with
many other very wonderful offbeat studies:

http://www.esoteric.msu.edu

Doesn't seem to be loading right now, though

Milton's inspiration and prudishness discovered.

John Milton's handwritten annotations have been identified in a copy of Raphael Holinshed's Chronicles (1587), a vital source of inspiration for the Paradise Lost poet. The discovery, made in the Burton Barr Central Library in Phoenix, Arizona, makes this one of only three known books to preserve Milton's handwritten reading notes, and one of only nine books to have survived from his library.

The findings, detailed by three researchers in the Times Literary Supplement, include Milton censoring Holinshed by crossing out a lewd anecdote about the mother of William the Conqueror, Arlete.

Spotted while dancing by Robert I of Normandy, and summoned to his bed, Arlete refused to let him lift up her smock and instead tore it herself from top to bottom, explaining that it would be immodest for her 'dependant' garments to be 'mountant' to her sovereign's mouth.

In the margin, Milton dismisses this anecdote as inappropriate and told in the style of a pedlar hawking wares on the streets. In Milton's exact words, it was: "an unbecom[ing] / tale for a hist[ory] / and as pedlerl[y] / expresst."

"The adverb 'pedlerly' was quite rare in writing at the time so we are seeing Milton really stretching language to express his contempt," said co-author Prof. Jason Scott-Warren, from Cambridge University's English Faculty, who was consulted to confirm that the handwriting was Milton's.

"Milton is renowned as an enemy of press censorship," Scott-Warren said, "but here we see he was not immune to prudishness."

Milton crossed through the passage with a single, light diagonal line so the words beneath remain fully legible. ...

https://phys.org/news/2024-05-john-milton-rare-prudish-censorship.html

 

[Sgt Girth]

Breathing life into a thread that everyone would have thought had gone to meet its maker 20 years ago…..well played Ramon….well played indeed! (Particularly one that even had the temerity to suggest that a certain Labour PM was the AntiChrist…or words to that effect)