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Far Right Behind The 'Yellow Jacket' Petrol Protests?

I really don't, I see another anti-tax movement being manipulated to deliver massive tax cuts to the ultra-rich while ordinary people get crumbs and a bonus of cutbacks in essential services.

Always ask "Cui bono?", then follow the money. The Pro-Brexit party in Britain got plenty of Russian money for example. For example, the Mueller Inquiry is presently looking into Nigel Farage for his Russian Brexit Money. Russia has its fingerprints all over the far right. Have you not seen the GJs' Frexit signs? Russia is all about destabilizing democracies. That is why minority and extremist outsider parties are getting elected; Russian funds, totalitarian millennials, and a toxic internet culture.
 
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Always ask "Cui bono?", then follow the money. The Pro-Brexit party in Britain got plenty of Russian money for example. For example, the Mueller Inquiry is presently looking into Nigel Farage for his Russian Brexit Money. Russia has its fingerprints all over the far right. Have you not seen the GJs' Frexit signs? Russia is all about destabilizing democracies. That is why minority and extremist outsider parties are getting elected; Russian funds, totalitarian millennials, and a toxic internet culture.

Oh it could be Russia, it's just that France has it's own Frexit and Anti-Nato movements. I just haven't seen any evidence of Potin bots there yet. The main manipulation of this movement has been to harness it to an anti-tax movement whose demands will benefit the wealthy.
 
Oh it could be Russia, it's just that France has it's own Frexit and Anti-Nato movements. I just haven't seen any evidence of Putin bots there yet. The main manipulation of this movement has been to harness it to an anti-tax movement whose demands will benefit the wealthy.

It won't be about some "sloppy bear" facebook campaign, it is all about covert funding channels. Seriously, the Mueller probe is already looking at Brexit hard, and you can bet that the Russians are behind the new push for Frexit. What started as a movement by the disenfranchised is already in the process of being hijacked.
 
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Looks like wearing a yellow jacket is becoming the de-facto protester's outfit.
Plenty of gilets jaunes on display in Brussels over the weekend, but these protests had nothing to do with taxation or fuel costs. These were anti-immigration protests by Belgian right-wingers waving "Our People First" banners.
 

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Looks like wearing a yellow jacket is becoming the de-facto protester's outfit.
Plenty of gilets jaunes on display in Brussels over the weekend, but these protests had nothing to do with taxation or fuel costs. These were anti-immigration protests by Belgian right-wingers waving "Our People First" banners.

Yeah, but who really wants their country to import ideologically far right cultists whose primary scripture tells them to kill or enslave any population that doesn't accept their nonsense? Islam has killed more people than Communism, Nazism and the Mongol Horde all rolled together since its inception. I loathe totalitarianism, and Islam is a more pernicious form of it than anything grown in Europe to date (try as they might). There is a huge logical disconnect going on when we say that Nazism is bad, but Muslim immigrants are okay; they're both awful and part of the same disease. That disease being the desire of authoritarians to destroy liberal democracies. The situation is invidious when the extreme right, funded by Putin is the only force in Europe that wants to jettison Europe's ideological enemies, but only to get political mileage in order to undermine the EU and NATO. The Left is entirely asleep at the wheel on this, or worse, in a state of ideological denial.
 
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Same in the UK I fear. Many have "Polite" printed on the back. Don't know what that's all about:rolleyes:

Often used by motorcyclists, especially couriers, in the hope it will be mistaken for police so that they can get away with whater fuckwitteery they are up to.
 
Often used by motorcyclists, especially couriers, in the hope it will be mistaken for police so that they can get away with whater fuckwitteery they are up to.
Become the norm as well for young females on gigantic horses in urban areas, presumably to scare motorists into thinking they'll get nabbed if they don't give way...
 
And so it goes on.

Further Gilets Jaunes violent rioting in Paris over the weekend, including ex-French light-heavyweight boxing champion Christophe Dettinger, who was caught on video punching and kicking a policeman in the face.
He's just been arrested.
Whilst the more reputable news servers are reporting the incident straight :

https://newsbeezer.com/uk/french-yellow-vests-a-former-boxer-arrested-by-police-for-assault/

(and the French boxing federation has dropped him faster than an angry tarantula) some Web pages are praising Dettinger as some sort of people's hero, including a notorious white-supremacist Web site, for which I won't post the link, as I'm sure none of us would want a cookie from them.
 
Yellow vests came to London at the weekend, main demo by People's Assembly Against Austerity, with members of the French Gilets Jaunes joining them for the march and speaking afterwards, various other factions from left and right decided to get in on the act too.

Both right-wing and left-wing demonstrators donned yellow vests and marched through the streets of London on Saturday, attending two very different anti-government protests.

While several hundred pro-Brexit campaigners rallied outside St James’s Park Tube station wearing the high-vis vests made famous by anti-fuel tax protesters in France, several thousand anti-austerity activists also adopted the yellow jackets for a march from Oxford Circus to Trafalgar Square.

Both groups told The Independent they saw a connection between the French movement and their own frustrations and demands. And both groups insisted the other side had hijacked the true spirit of the gilets jaunes.

Very sloppy reporting to not mention one group had the endorsement of the actual French movement, but I guess that's The Independent these days.

Edit: Forgot link
 
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Did I read somewhere that the French consider themselves the most sophisticated people in Europe ?

Must have been a dream. Too much wine and cheese.


..That disease being the desire of authoritarians to destroy liberal democracies. ..

And there are an awful lot of North African immigrants in France. Particularly around Paris and Marseilles.

Wact the film '35 tots of rum'. a good enough film. but you will soon notice something about it.

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Bit more info on the weekend that came my way by email:

The real yellow vests

Much had already been written about the “Gilet jaunes” or yellow vest demonstrations that have erupted across France since November. Some confused commentators have falsely linked opportunistic far right thugs with the French anti austerity protests.

However, Saturday’s People's Assembly demonstration was pleased to welcome two real life Gilet Jaunes, Laurie Martin, 26 and Erick Simon, 57 who had arrived from Normandy to support the People’s Assembly. Quoted in the Evening Standard “Ms Martin said she came "to support the British because our demands are the same as those fighting austerity across Europe".

"All European countries must join up in this battle against austerity," added Mr Simon.”

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So by sophisticated I assume they mean adulterous?

Let's bear in mind that this is a French conception of sophistication.

Italian men consider themselves the world's greatest lovers; in many jurisdictions a swathe of them would arrested as narcissistic sex pests. A generalisation, no doubt, but I have vivid memories of Naples. It was just as bad for women in Cairo, but the Egyptian men didn't mythologise it!

Lest this be viewed as British chauvinism, the British view themselves as champions of fair-play, justice and playing by the rules; in reality this means it's a social faux-pas to get caught when lying and cheating. If you had more respect, you'd have dissembled and obfuscated sufficiently to have saved everybody's blushes!
 
So when is Macron going to put an end to all this stupidity.

I'm sure that having your car burnt out or your shop/cafe wrecked every weekend is wearing a bit thin even in the land of socialist republicans.

Or has he already lost ?

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The latest manifestation of extreme rioting has seen the famous newspaper kiosks torched on the Champs Elysées.
These news stands are an iconic feature of Paris, usually leased by people on modest incomes.
The Guardian suggests extreme leftists are behind the latest violence, which contrasts with the usual explanation of the hard-right provenance of les Gilets Jaunes.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/23/paris-news-kiosks-burnt-protests-crowdfunder
 
The latest manifestation of extreme rioting has seen the famous newspaper kiosks torched on the Champs Elysées.
These news stands are an iconic feature of Paris, usually leased by people on modest incomes.
The Guardian suggests extreme leftists are behind the latest violence, which contrasts with the usual explanation of the hard-right provenance of les Gilets Jaunes.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/23/paris-news-kiosks-burnt-protests-crowdfunder

Ah, the Black Bloc. A rabble, I chased them off on two occasions when they tried to attack tv cameramen at a demo in Dublin in 2004. Lumpen proletariat, trustafarians and agent provocateurs the lot of them.
 
I should restate my belief that extremists, be they far right, far left, or religious, are all essentially the same.

Do you seriously imagine that we do not attempt to destabilise countries we dislike ? We've put pretty much the whole of the middle east and north Africa into chaos and some are worried about a few Russian bots? Is it that if the US and UK bomb people that's OK but spending a bit of money is somehow un-British?

I don't normally get involved in conspiracy discussions, but as Dr. Moriarty would say - "Dear me , Mr Holmes' .
 
Ah, the Black Bloc. A rabble, I chased them off on two occasions when they tried to attack tv cameramen at a demo in Dublin in 2004. Lumpen proletariat, trustafarians and agent provocateurs the lot of them.

Indeed. A lot of heated discussion today on the Guardian forums about "operation Yellowhammer".
This is the UK government's contingency plan to employ the army to provide essential services and security in case everything goes titsup after Brexit.
That's pretty well what Macron has already done and yet Paris still burns every weekend.
 
I should restate my belief that extremists, be they far right, far left, or religious, are all essentially the same.
Yep. It's more like a certain personality/group type and they use whatever ideology is convenient or fashionable for their ends. I guess it's what you call 'authoritarianism' and some members of the left do it as much as their counterparts on the right.
 
I agree Cochise. Some folks just want to watch the world burn, and the internet is giving them traction.

In support of this position I would like to suggest the following fine perennial book on the subject:
The True Believer: Thoughts on the Nature of Mass Movements.

Here is a PDF link:
The True Believer PDF

Another good book on the topic:

On the Edge: Political Cults Right and Left Hardcover – 30 Aug 2000
by Dennis Tourish (Author), Tim Wohlforth (Author)
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Edge-Political-Cults-Right-Left/dp/0765606399

Should be available through libraries.

A chapter: http://www.whatnextjournal.org.uk/Pages/Back/Wnext27/Cults.html
 
I agree Cochise. Some folks just want to watch the world burn, and the internet is giving them traction.

In support of this position I would like to suggest the following fine perennial book on the subject:
The True Believer: Thoughts on the Nature of Mass Movements.

Here is a PDF link:
The True Believer PDF

From the PDF :

“It is the true believer’s ability to ‘shut his eyes and stop his ears’ to facts that do not deserve to be either seen or heard which is the source of his unequaled fortitude and constancy. He cannot be frightened by danger nor disheartened by obstacles nor baffled by contradictions because he denies their existence. Strength of faith...manifests itself not in moving mountains, but in not seeing mountains to move.”

Interesting stuff. I shall try and get the books through the library - my house is full of books and I'm supposed to be de-cluttering. Might even bite the bullet and buy a Kindle.
 
I understand that Russia has a system of work camps in the more remote parts pf Siberia that house those who wish to go against the norm.

Possibly we could use parts of Scotland for the same purpose.

You see, the problem I am having with our discussions concerning these kinds of social unrest is that while there is one section of the membership jumping up and down screaming 'fascist bastard' and another (quite small) showing (maybe reluctant) general agreement, there are very few who give their version of what a solution would look like.

Perhaps folks could suggest (a) what they think the cause of the unrest actually is. And (b) how, if they were King (Emperor ?) how they would fix it.

INT21
 
Photos from the latest protests:

Which side do you think is the "Right"?

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