Forgotten History

[plastic wiganer]

Wiganer's done all that, he knows where the memorial is, but it's overgrown and hidden. Nothing a merciless strimming and a severe raking wouldn't cure.

(I own an industrial trimmer, great fun.)

Thanks for the info, and yes i have looked for the memorial stone but as yet not found it, it is somewhat overgrown. In a strange sort of way, i would like to know where the incident occured (not being macabre) just interested as its local to me - about a mile/mile and a half away. There are lots of old railway lines around here all now taken over by nature or converted into path ways. i may try again tomorrow on a walk with the dog. i will post up IF i find anything. cheers again

 

[escargot]

Thanks for the info, and yes i have looked for the memorial stone but as yet not found it, it is somewhat overgrown. In a strange sort of way, i would like to know where the incident occured (not being macabre) just interested as its local to me - about a mile/mile and a half away. There are lots of old railway lines around here all now taken over by nature or converted into path ways. i may try again tomorrow on a walk with the dog. i will post up IF i find anything. cheers again

I'm interested too. Trains and tragedy, what's not to like?

 

[Swifty]

Mid 16th century Mary Rose bollock dagger (tee hee)

https://todcutler.com/collections/m...s/products/mid-16thc-mary-rose-bollock-dagger

 

[Naughty_Felid]

Mid 16th century Mary Rose bollock dagger (tee hee)

https://todcutler.com/collections/m...s/products/mid-16thc-mary-rose-bollock-dagger

not really forgotten history though.

 

[Floyd1]

Mid 16th century Mary Rose bollock dagger (tee hee)

https://todcutler.com/collections/m...s/products/mid-16thc-mary-rose-bollock-dagger

maximus otter probably has one.

 

[zaknsolly]

The explosion at RAF Fauld in WW2 seems forgotten. I live relatively near and most people locally never seem to have heard of it. It is one of the largest non nuclear explosions in history and the largest ever in Britain.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAF_Fauld_explosion

 

[staticgirl]

Thanks! An interesting episode. I wonder if it fell foul of wartime reporting restrictions - it wasn't all over yet.

 

[RyoHazuki]

And there were POWs working at a live munitions dump because....?

 

[BlackPeter]

The explosion at RAF Fauld in WW2 seems forgotten. I live relatively near and most people locally never seem to have heard of it. It is one of the largest non nuclear explosions in history and the largest ever in Britain.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAF_Fauld_explosion

I agree also live fairly locally ( Overseal ) and am amazed howmany have never heard of this!!

 

[Victory]

From a little-known explosion which actually happened, to a well-known explosion which never happened...Guy Fawkes and The Gunpowder Plot.

This Richard Hammond documentary recreates what would have happened if the plot had succeeded.... skip the pre-amble and go to 49m 53s to watch a recreation of what the blast might have been like...

 

[maximus otter]

And there were POWs working at a live munitions dump because....?

They were Italian.

My dad (RAF aircrew in WWII) occasionally used to be detailed to guard Italian POWs. He used to get one of them to carry his rifle for him.

maximus otter

 

[ramonmercado]

They were Italian.

My dad (RAF aircrew in WWII) occasionally used to be detailed to guard Italian POWs. He used to get one of them to carry his rifle for him.

maximus otter

Please relate any other stories that your father passed on regarding this.

 

[maximus otter]

Please relate any other stories that your father passed on regarding this.

That’s about it, unfortunately. lt was in - IIRC - North Africa. The Italians were ecstatic to be getting three square meals a day, a comfortable bed and freedom from people trying to kill them. The UK services had them literally digging holes and filling them in again, just to deprive the Devil of the opportunity to provide alternative employment.

Dad was particularly close to one Italian lad, and even - once again IIRC - swapped addresses with him for a post-war reunion. lt never came off, unfortunately.

Dad did remember his name, and told it to me more than once, but to my shame, l can’t recall it. Oddly enough, l can remember the rhythm of my dad saying it, and realising that he’d taught it to my dad backwards, i.e. surname first, Christian name last. The name itself? Gone...

maximus otter

 

[Zeke Newbold]

Have we done the Monument to a child Eater in Bern yet? And if bot, why not?

Gist: in the middle of the twee town of Bern in alpine Switzerland there is a fountain - and in the middle of the fountain there is a plinth - on top of this plinth there is a statue. This statue depicts a man filling his face with helpless and cute babies - without so much as a condinement.



This gotesque artefact has been dated back to the 1540s but otherwise nobody knows what the significance or the purpose of this monument is exactly. Naturally there are numerous theoies - from antisemitic blood libel to child scaring device - but they remain just that - theories:

https://www.ranker.com/list/child-eater-statue-bern-switzerland/genevieve-carlton

It is this local amnesia that I find oddest about all this - more odd than the statue itself. The 1500s isn't exactly pre-history so you'd have thought that there would be records of some sort pertaining to sculpture in the middle of the town - or even failing that word -of-mouth would have told something of its origins, but apparently not.

 

[EnolaGaia]

The first thing that came to mind about this fountain sculpture is that bagging up children with intent to eat them is a characteristic of the Krampus character / figure from Alpine folklore, usually associated with the Xmas season. However, Krampus as depicted elsewhere in the Alpine region (i.e., elsewhere than Switzerland) is strongly attributed to pre-Xtian myth / folklore.

I wonder whether this Swiss statue might represent a Swiss translation or riff on the Krampus figure into a more generic form.

 

[RaM]

I know this is a long shot and not sure if this is the place to ask,
I have been passing this place for at least 30 years and not noticed this, It appears to be a old stone cross
with the top missing though I cant find any info on it only seen it marked on one OS map, question is
and I know it's a long shot, is does anyone know anything about it, the link at the bottom shows it on
Google maps it's in the lanes just off the A6 in the Garstang area.



This is the same in Google maps



https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.9...4!1sHkEqf6h7AHaazY--C8R1Sg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

 

[Mythopoeika]

As it's at a crossroads, it seems likely that a cross had been placed there to 'calm the spirits'. Maybe in the obscure past, there had been a gibbet or multiple deaths had occurred? There is (or was) a Hangman's Lane nearby, so it's not improbable.

Also... that is an old Roman road. LOTS of history.

The cross is called Cabus Cross. The cross is either of Viking origin or it dates from the Middle Ages (doesn't seem to be clear).

https://www.southlancasterspeakers.club/2019/04/a-tall-tale-viking-gold-under-cabus-cross.html
http://cabuspc.org.uk/kcfinder/upload/files/Full Leaflet.pdf
http://wyrearchaeology.blogspot.com/2006/10/keeills-around-wyre-part-two.html

 

[RaM]

Excellent, just what I was looking for,
I thank you.

 

[maximus otter]

I know this is a long shot and not sure if this is the place to ask,
I have been passing this place for at least 30 years and not noticed this, It appears to be a old stone cross
with the top missing though I cant find any info on it only seen it marked on one OS map, question is
and I know it's a long shot, is does anyone know anything about it, the link at the bottom shows it on
Google maps it's in the lanes just off the A6 in the Garstang area.

It isn't shown on the Ordnance Survey map of Lancashire published in 1847:

https://maps.nls.uk/view/102343859#zoom=5&lat=3415&lon=11499&layers=BT

... Or in 1895:

... But sudenly comes to official attention in 1913:

maximus otter

 

[Frideswide]

The name is there on the earlier maps...

From the ADS https://archaeologydataservice.ac.uk/archsearch/browser.xhtml

 

[ramonmercado]

We really have forgotten how many foodstuffs first came to us through this trade network.

Fruit from the Sands
Robert N. Spengler III
Univ. of California, $34.95

Many popular foods can be traced back to trade caravans and herding groups that turned Central Asia into a hub of globalization several thousand years ago. In Fruit from the Sands, archaeobotanist Robert Spengler, who studies how people used plants in the past, surveys evidence suggesting that the ancient Silk Road was the conduit for dispersing much of what is now munched and sipped. Edibles with a Silk Road pedigree include almonds, apples, grapes, peaches, rice and wheat.

To understand how this food distribution process worked, readers must first discard romantic notions about the Silk Road, Spengler explains. The name is misleading: The Silk Road wasn’t a road and didn’t primarily transport silk. Instead, archaeological evidence indicates that the Silk Road encompassed a network of trade routes radiating out from Central Asia that connected China to the Mediterranean. ...

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/fruit-sands-book-explores-silk-road-origins-apples-tea

 

[Ladyloafer]

Sydneys forgotton trams.

The Fort Macquarie tram depot at Bennelong Point, now the site of the Sydney Opera House, in 1956.
Photograph: State Library of NSW



more photos

and a feature
https://www.theguardian.com/austral...ydney-destroyed-its-trams-for-love-of-the-car

They burnt the trams at Randwick.
In the late 1950s Sydney ripped up its tram network, once one of the largest in the world. Nearly 1,000 trams – some only a few years old – were rolled to the workshops in the city’s eastern suburbs and stripped of anything that could be sold, before being unceremoniously tipped on their sides, doused with sump oil and set ablaze.

 

[RaM]

In 1907 the last steam tram belonging to Bury tramways was retired the system then being electrified,
about 70 years later I got a call, some of the lads were demolishing a old changing room on one of
the football fields and were having problems and could I assist.
So I jump out of my Lanny and there's only the base left a massive oak oblong with monster metal
fittings, so I cut the oak up into manageable sizes with a chain saw and blow the ironmongery off
with the torch only when I was half way through did I realise it was the chassis of one of the passenger
trailers from the old steam trams, and so ended another interesting era.


http://www.petergould.co.uk/local_transport_history/fleetlists/bury1.htm

 

[zaknsolly]

I found this article about a mining disaster at Creswell near Bolsover, Derbyshire in September 1960. Its amazing to think so many men lost their lives at work in numbers we’d probably associate with Victorian times. Eight men died in an underground fire, some bodies taking eleven months to be recovered.
http://www.healeyhero.co.uk/rescue/pits/Cresswell/creswell.htm

 

[zaknsolly]

I found this article about a mining disaster at Creswell near Bolsover, Derbyshire in September 1960. Its amazing to think so many men lost their lives at work in numbers we’d probably associate with Victorian times. Eight men died in an underground fire, some bodies taking eleven months to be recovered.
http://www.healeyhero.co.uk/rescue/pits/Cresswell/creswell.htm

Sorry *eighty*

 

[maximus otter]

maximus otter probably has one.

Two. Very large.

maximus otter

 

[Ladyloafer]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1157309018760798208

from the bbc archives, 1988, an interview with 2 young fellas who set up a computer game business in their bedroom and made a fortune.

amazingly the company still exists. i've often wondering why Southam, of all places, (which is quite near where i live) is a computer game design hub, now i know. these boys!



edit. theres some fabulous stuff on that bbc archive site.

 

[GNC]

The Darlings were publicity hounds in the 80s - Your Sinclair magazine would publish any photo or press release they sent. They even got their sister to pose for photos!

 

[ramonmercado]

Not sure where to post this but I think it fits here. A cracking story about Air Marshal Sir George Beamish originally from Dunmanway, County Cork where some of my antecedents came from. As well as the RAF he was great Rugby player. His brother Victor, also an RAF pilot was shot down and killed in 1942.

George Beamish: The flying number eight with the widest of horizons
A ‘Boys Own’ life on and off the rugby pitch has been chronicled in a new book

From Dunmanway in West Cork to a knighthood, a rank of air marshal in the RAF and along the way a World War, 25 Irish caps and five caps with the Lions, George Beamish lived a cartoon-sized ‘Boys Own’ life. ...

The life of George (1905-67) was also coloured by his siblings, Victor (1903-42), Charles (1908-84) and Cecil (1915-99), who like him were all accomplished sportsmen. George and Charles played international rugby for Ireland and with Victor and Cecil they all played variously with Leicester Tigers, London Irish and Harlequins. ...

George played at number eight and won his first Irish cap as a 19-year-old in 1925 and between 1928 and 1933 was rarely out of the Irish squad. Selected in 1930 for the Lions’ tour of Australia and New Zealand, he played in all five Tests and in 17 of the regional matches. On return from that tour in the same year he was picked as Irish captain. ...

Between them all the Beamish family provided one air marshal, one air vice-marshal, two group captains and two flight lieutenants. Victor even died a tragic, glorious death after an attack on his Spitfire by a Messerschmitt in 1942. As it says in ‘The Lion of the RAF’ by Paul McElhinney, it was “an impressive tally for one family.” ...

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/international/george-beamish-the-flying-number-eight-with-the-widest-of-horizons-1.3987429

 

[Jim]

Not sure where to post this but I think it fits here. A cracking story about Air Marshal Sir George Beamish originally from Dunmanway, County Cork where some of my antecedents came from. As well as the RAF he was great Rugby player. His brother Victor, also an RAF pilot was shot down and killed in 1942.

George Beamish: The flying number eight with the widest of horizons
A ‘Boys Own’ life on and off the rugby pitch has been chronicled in a new book

From Dunmanway in West Cork to a knighthood, a rank of air marshal in the RAF and along the way a World War, 25 Irish caps and five caps with the Lions, George Beamish lived a cartoon-sized ‘Boys Own’ life. ...

The life of George (1905-67) was also coloured by his siblings, Victor (1903-42), Charles (1908-84) and Cecil (1915-99), who like him were all accomplished sportsmen. George and Charles played international rugby for Ireland and with Victor and Cecil they all played variously with Leicester Tigers, London Irish and Harlequins. ...

George played at number eight and won his first Irish cap as a 19-year-old in 1925 and between 1928 and 1933 was rarely out of the Irish squad. Selected in 1930 for the Lions’ tour of Australia and New Zealand, he played in all five Tests and in 17 of the regional matches. On return from that tour in the same year he was picked as Irish captain. ...

Between them all the Beamish family provided one air marshal, one air vice-marshal, two group captains and two flight lieutenants. Victor even died a tragic, glorious death after an attack on his Spitfire by a Messerschmitt in 1942. As it says in ‘The Lion of the RAF’ by Paul McElhinney, it was “an impressive tally for one family.” ...

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/international/george-beamish-the-flying-number-eight-with-the-widest-of-horizons-1.3987429

The RAF always gets my vote, brave men and all these above guys deserve considerable credits. Some stories here (mum's family migrated to states after WW2). As I'm sure do many brits on the forum.