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I'm just lying......

No, seriously, I know almost nothing about FitzHugh. I only knew of her because of the paintings, and I believe that most of what i found was on this very message board, on a thread about bizarre articles for sale on eBay, and that was where I got the nugget about the false name!

Sorry if I offended your sense of literary history!


Freaky as hell art though....


Trace Mann
 
The Yithian said:
Never seen that before. In fact, being fairly ignorant about art i've not heard of Bocklin... Wish it was bigger - looks very cool. Is there a connection/influnce between this and Rachmaninov's 'Symphonic poem', The Isle of the Dead i wonder?

Yes, that's right . there are bigger pictures here, Also a version by HR Giger http://www.stmoroky.com/reviews/gallery/bocklin/iotd.htm


When I first saw the original painting on a postcard I didn't notice the white shrouded figure being rowed as the image was too small to see properly.

Roger Zelazny also had a story named after it.
http://www.stmoroky.com/reviews/books/iotd.htm
 
Re: I'm just lying......

Nothing to be offended about; but I'd just like to know. No one on my children's writers' group had heard about an alternate name for her, and FitzHugh is such an interesting and important person in the field (Harriett's publication marks a distinct shift in the way children's books are handled in the U.S.) that we are now naturally curious. By "this very messageboard" do you mean Notes and Queries, and if not which board would I look for the e-bay thread on? I only just registered this Xmas vacation and still get lost very easily. The e-bay auction links will all be broken now, but maybe I can find a lead in the original postings that has slipped your memory. And I'm also going to be looking for Virginia Wolf's 1991 monograph as mentioned in "purple socks," as this is the sort of thing that is brought out in specialist critical work.

ZPumpkinEscobar said:
No, seriously, I know almost nothing about FitzHugh. I only knew of her because of the paintings, and I believe that most of what i found was on this very message board, on a thread about bizarre articles for sale on eBay, and that was where I got the nugget about the false name!

Sorry if I offended your sense of literary history!


Freaky as hell art though....


Trace Mann
 
Re: Re: I'm just lying......

Peni said:
Nothing to be offended about; but I'd just like to know. No one on my children's writers' group had heard about an alternate name for her, and FitzHugh is such an interesting and important person in the field (Harriett's publication marks a distinct shift in the way children's books are handled in the U.S.) that we are now naturally curious. By "this very messageboard" do you mean Notes and Queries, and if not which board would I look for the e-bay thread on? I only just registered this Xmas vacation and still get lost very easily. The e-bay auction links will all be broken now, but maybe I can find a lead in the original postings that has slipped your memory. And I'm also going to be looking for Virginia Wolf's 1991 monograph as mentioned in "purple socks," as this is the sort of thing that is brought out in specialist critical work.

I'd never heard of her before not for painting or as an author but http://www.purple-socks.com/bio.htm
The Bio for her has a photo captioned "Suzanne Singer"
 
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Rrose Selavy said:
I'd never heard of her before not for painting or as an author but http://www.purple-socks.com/bio.htm
The Bio for her has a photo captioned "Suzanne Singer"

Yes, that's the person who took the picture. If you click on the "photos" link on the same page and then enlarge the seriously butch third photo in the line-up, it will have the photo credit "Gina Jackson."

I strongly recommend reading *Harriett the Spy,* though it's a realistic work with no overt fantastic elements. Harriett is an ambitious writer with the social skills of a rhino, whose only stable adult role model (the nanny Ole Golly) is jerked out of her life without her consent. She has a "spy route" for learning about human nature, actually sneaking into her neighbors' houses to observe and make notes on their lives. The crisis of the book is when her classmates discover her notebooks, and Ole Golly's solution-creating advice to her, to lie to others while telling the truth to herself, is exactly the kind of thing that grownups aren't supposed to admit to children - a kind of "damned wisdom," I suppose (she says struggling to keep the thread from drifting too far).

I had real hopes for the purple socks "Weird" link; but there's nothing Fortean on it that I detected. The NYT obit refers to her paintings as "realistic," but you really can't trust obits on such matters.
 
Oh....

I wasn't offended at all!

I'll try to look up the link....


Trace Mann
 
the [link?]

It was in the gerneral forteana section, under the heading "Haunted Painting."

The post that had the mention of FitzHugh seems to not be there though, so I either DID confabulate it, or the poster had their posts deleted.

The thread goes on from the point that I had read it [I didn't subscribe to it, so I didn't follow it] to name the artist [NOT FitzHugh] and even includes an interview with him...


There I am, color me idiotic!


Trace [Rumor Monger] Mann
 
Re: Paintings of Horror and Mystery ...

Originally posted by Gloria X


Posters are invited to attach images or links so that everyone can feel the awe...

Oh, coming in late on this one but... Arthur Rackman did some strange and haunting illustrations in his time, mainly for children’s books and fairy tales: http://www.twildawn.net/Fairies/ArthurRackmanFairies.html

I've had a soft spot for Richard Dadd for many a year too, partly because he was incarcerated in Broadmoor which is near to where I grew up. His art has a pacitularly twisted beauty:

http://www.artmagick.com/thumbs/dadd.aspx

I own at least three books with Dad’s most famous painting on the cover, 'The Fairy Feller's Master Stroke (note the central figure with his back to the viewer, wielding an axe. Dadd murdered his father that way, which is how he ended up in Bedlam then Broadmoor):

http://freespace.virgin.net/nigel.suckling/rdadd1.htm

Then there’s Louise Wain, a Victorian artist who drew cats for greetings cards until madness claimed him:

http://www.lilitu.com/catland/gallery2.shtml

And there there’s the wizardly works of proto-Chaos magician Austin Osman Spare :

http://banger.com/spare/graf/index.html
 
Rrose Selavy said:
Yes, that's right . there are bigger pictures here, Also a version by HR Giger http://www.stmoroky.com/reviews/gallery/bocklin/iotd.htm

Excellent page - I have the Giger picture in a series of posters (31x44 cm) with a short discussions by Giger. The painting is called 'Hommage a Bocklin' (painted 1977) and he calls the original Die Toteninsel (the Island of Death). He says "In all four Bocklin originals there is a small rowing boat just in fornt of the gate and sitting in it is a figure clothed in a white shirt. As a child I always thought this was the dead Christ, just as I always believed that the coach-driver wearing the black top-hat up on the hearse was the corpse and therefore the one to whom we should be paying our respects" - interestingly he doesn't actually include the figure in his version.

There is a great set of Bocklin paintings online here (he touches on a number of Fortean themes):

http://community.webshots.com/album/2659261pgvUYREPHl

Emps
 
Re: the [link?]

ZPumpkinEscobar said:
There I am, color me idiotic!

Naw, not idiotic. This is how rumors happen - a crossed wire, an incomplete bit of information, a big of undigested beef - and it was a plausible one, which is why it intrigued me so. Anyone can do it. Lord knows I've done some rumormongering in my time.

And we can now return this thread to its original purpose. Unfortunately I can't contribute now, because I don't know anything about art. I don't even know what I like. I can barely read a comic book, and tend to skim the pictures in a picture book. Very much a text-based person.

Oh, wait - Maurice Sendak's not on this list. You may remember the Wild Things as cuddly, but check out the horrifying Oliver Hardy cooks in *In the Night Kitchen* ("Milk in the batter! Milk in the batter!") And the goblins in *Outside Over There,* which is a book that got mixed reviews - a number of intelligent and perceptive adults and children hated it, but my stepdaughter, when she came to visit at the age of five, made me read it to her over and over and over. If you read the book carefully, you see that it makes sense forward and backward, and Sendak himself claims that the book is printed backward. Sorry, I can't find a good link. There has to be one, but nothing is responding in search mode.

Darn computer fairies...
 
Not really scary...

but phantasmagorical and ethereal, Remedios Varo is one of my favourite artists, along with Dali and Ernst. I find some of her images disturbing for some reason, but in the end also very pleasant.

Here's a link to a gallery of her works:

http://www.turingmachine.org/remedios/expo.html

Tell me what you guys think.
 
Re: Not really scary...

Onix said:
Tell me what you guys think.
I like them Onix. They remind me of the album cover to Grisman's Mondo Mando. I used to stare at that for hours when I was a kid trying to figure out what it all meant.
Edit: Tbh the figures remind me in some way of the beings I wrote about here. :eek:
 
Re: Not really scary...

Onix said:
but phantasmagorical and ethereal, Remedios Varo is one of my favourite artists, along with Dali and Ernst. I find some of her images disturbing for some reason, but in the end also very pleasant.

Here's a link to a gallery of her works:

http://www.turingmachine.org/remedios/expo.html

Tell me what you guys think.

Hail Emperor. Good choice.
 
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Bannik said:
I like them Onix. They remind me of the album cover to Grisman's Mondo Mando. I used to stare at that for hours when I was a kid trying to figure out what it all meant.
Edit: Tbh the figures remind me in some way of the beings I wrote about here. :eek:

Sounds interesting Bannik. Yesterday I had something similar, but it was a Nahual (feline therianthrope) jumping in my bed while I was sleeping with my baby boy, intent on getting inside my body. I broke his left ankle and then fougth him and ended up removing his skin and getting inside him. Kinda like a lucid dream. I was jumpy all day afterwards. Maybe I am taking to much valeriana?
 
to Onix - yeah, Valerian only seems to make me jumpy. Your dream reminds me of one I had when I was a kid where I ripped of E.T.'s arm (the one with the light up finger, of course) and beat to him bloody with it and then through him around the room. He had come to abduct me, after all.
 
Bannik said:
to Onix - yeah, Valerian only seems to make me jumpy. Your dream reminds me of one I had when I was a kid where I ripped of E.T.'s arm (the one with the light up finger, of course) and beat to him bloody with it and then through him around the room. He had come to abduct me, after all.


I remember reading that, great stuff.

Now, anybody finds Alex Ross depictions of superheroes, specually in the Kingdom Come series, so strong and godlike that they could be sinister? I find them pretty imposing
 
There was certainly something ambivilent about the KC Flash that placed him more with the 'Cosmic' characters than with the normal superheroes.

My favorite portrait in there was Orion, the combination of bitterness, weariness, contempt and just sheer disappointment all in the body language is really something.

His 'Marvels' stuff was less godlike.
 
The most mysterious painting I can think of is Giorgione's The Tempest which is as much a mystery landscape as mysterious subject matter. What does this dark scene represent and why does it feel like some secret is hidden within?

If feels as much a riddle within an enigma as Poussin's Et in Arcadia Ego.
 
I remember, many years ago, seeing a picture of a sail ship at sea during a storm, with The Flying Dutchman coming out of the fog towards it. The ghost ship wasn't immediately visible, so it had the effect of coming out of the fog when you looked at it. Or so it seemed at the time.

I'd like to find that one again.
 
Some of James Ensor's paintings are rather strange and ghoulish, and Otto Dix's prints and paintings about his experiences in the trenches during WWI are pretty horrific.
 
Helen said:
I remember, many years ago, seeing a picture of a sail ship at sea during a storm, with The Flying Dutchman coming out of the fog towards it. The ghost ship wasn't immediately visible, so it had the effect of coming out of the fog when you looked at it. Or so it seemed at the time.

I'd like to find that one again.


Sounds like Gustave Dore... the chap who illustrated 'The Rime of the Ancient Mariner'
 
Can't find it. I've googled for Gustav Dore, but I can't find the picture I'm talking about.:(
 
I'm probably getting him mixed up... close but no cigar is attchement 1
 
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