Francis Hotel, Bath

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There is a fascinating letter in the latest Fortean Times about the Francis Hotel in Bath; coincidentally, I had contacted them almost a year ago and asked about recent phantoms.
The receptionist sent me an information sheet which they give out to guests who are interested in the building's history and there is a small section on ghosts. The relevant section is here:

"Bath is well known as being a city that bears witness to an unusual amount of paranormal activity. Listed below are the ghosts who specifically haunt Queen Square and the hotel itself.
One known as “Julia” walks in the small park at the centre of the square wearing her wedding dress. Local legend has it that she still searches for the man who jilted her at the altar.
In the hotel itself there have been numerous sightings of The Grey Lady. An actress from the 1880's, this lady killed herself in the hotel when she discovered her husband had murdered her secret lover. Her last performance at the theatre was the night of her death, and there she wore a grey feather dress - the same clothing she still wears. Also, during sightings, the aroma of her perfume hangs in the air – it is upon this scent that the olfactory identity of the hotel is based.
There is also the ghost of John Wood’s* former housekeeper, who usually manifests as poltergeist activity. She lost her entire inheritance due to a gambling addiction. John Wood took pity on her and employed her as his housekeeper; however, she unfortunately was unable to shake the addiction, and she became depressed and hanged herself in what were then the servants’ quarters on the top floor of the house. This ghost recently also manifested as an apparition, which our guests described as a “dead housekeeper”.
Another incident occurred this year in the wing of the hotel. The guests in the room checked out early, saying that there was a “presence” in the room, and that they wanted to leave the hotel immediately. They had been too afraid to take their belongings with them so asked the concierge to go and get them. The concierge described an intense pressure in the room, and an unusual feeling of claustrophobia. He noted while in the room that the curtains were open, and a towel was on the floor. When he returned to the room 5 minutes later to check it again, he discovered the curtains had been closed and the towel was folded on the bed. The housekeeping team had left an hour previously… When he checked the room again in the morning, he said the feeling of pressure was gone, but the curtains were now open again.
That same evening a receptionist stayed overnight to support the nights team. She awoke in the middle of the night to an intense feeling of pressure bearing down on her, making it difficult to breathe. She grabbed her mobile phone to call for help but it did not respond to any button presses. After several long seconds the pressure subsided, and her phone began to function normally again."

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*Another part of the document says that, "The Francis hotel occupies almost the entire southern terrace of Queen Square, one of the most important architectural set pieces in the city of Bath, designed by the famous genius of building design, John Wood the Elder, as four terraces of spectacular townhouses. To stay at the Francis Hotel is not just to visit Bath, but to immerse oneself in its history and culture. Work on the building was completed in 1735, and John Wood himself occupied house number 9, which is now the main entrance and lobby of the hotel."

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I was also to hear from a member of the night staff (the same person mentioned in the FT letter) and this is what he said;

"As a Night Team Member I stay over in the hotel overnight and carry out tasks such as paperwork and cleaning. We also walk the hotel twice a night to make sure all is secure. While I cannot attest to encountering any spooky spectres on my nightly rounds I have had a few unexplained occurrences that you may find interesting.​

The Bust of Solomon

When I began my time at the Francis I was introduced to the bust’s of Solomon and Emily Francis, owners and proprietors of the hotel since 1884 when the hotel was founded. The two busts had pride of place in reception, set within the two alcoves on the right-hand side. Their likeness had stood in these alcoves for as long as anyone could remember. In 2021 the owners rebranded the hotel under their newly created Sutton Collection. As part of the rebranding they brought in a new Hotel Manager. Eager to leave his mark on the hotel, he started off with a few dynamic changes. One of these changes was to move the bust of Solomon Francis to the rear entrance of the hotel. I found it a bit strange that he moved one and not the other with little regard to the significance of the busts. As I was stating this fact that Solomon and Emily were now separated, one of the crystal balls dangling from the chandelier dropped and smashed on the ground. This in itself was strange enough but when my colleague and I went over to see what had happened, a second crystal ball fell from a chandelier on the opposite end of the room. Later that evening a 3rd ball fell off a chandelier at the bottom of the stairs as I was walking down towards it. It landed at my feet. This continued for several weeks until we took the decision to move the bust of Emily to the rear entrance where she now sits in an alcove next to her husband. I don’t know if its just a trick of the light but to me it looks like her smile is a bit more pronounced. You can still see the chipped baubles on the chandeliers in reception from Emily’s hunt for her missing husband.

Moving Doors

Several times I have witnessed doors moving on their own. The first I started to notice was during my night walk. Around the hotel there are a number of fire break doors that swing shut on a timer and exactly 22:05 every night. One of my jobs at around 5am I walk the hotel and open up all the doors again. I’ve experience all sorts from doors that close at the end of corridor when you open the door at the entrance of it to hearing a door opening and closing in an empty stairwell on the floor below you. On more than one occasion I have witnessed the 100 year old turnstile door making a full revolution on its own. Mostly we just laugh it off as wind, but as I write this email, there is a storm blowing a gale outside, I can hear it howling through the trees in Queen Square, so far the door has not budged an inch. One night I tried to get video of the doors to the Boho Marche restaurant swinging back and forth at 3 in the morning. It stopped the moment I took my phone out, but as soon as I put my phone away a shadow moved across the frosted glass window and the doors swung back and forth one more time before going quiet for the night.

EVP?

The most recent and probably my most pronounced experience happened just last week. There was nothing that set the night apart for any other until it got to about 6am. My colleague and I were both sat in reception finishing up some paperwork and chatting about how the shift had gone. I began to hear very faint music so low that I assumed it was coming from my colleague’s computer, but she soon asked me if I could hear music too? I told her I thought it was her and she confirmed that she thought it was me. We got up and started to look for the source of the music and we tracked it to one single solitary speaker in the No 10 bar next to reception. The thing is, is that the whole sound system is connected and if one was on then all the speakers in the bar and the lobby should have been on. When I went to the back to check the sound system it was fully off. The music only stopped when I turned it on and off again. Having my phone in my pocket I was able to use the Shazam app to identify the song before I switched it off. The song that was playing on the one solitary speaker in the bar was titled “Feel Alive Again” by Molly Parden.
During my time here I’ve had plenty strange things happen that even as a sceptic I can’t explain. Nothing alarming and nothing malevolent. One of my colleagues swears that she keeps feeling someone squeeze her shoulder reassuringly. I think what ever it is has the best interests of both guests and workers at heart and for all the strange stuff that happens, I have never not once been scared by it. I am just one of many that have had their own encounters at the Francis. From child like whispers that stop when you do, to shadows that disappear down hallways. I’ve heard all kinds of strange stories working here."
 
There is a fascinating letter in the latest Fortean Times about the Francis Hotel in Bath; coincidentally, I had contacted them almost a year ago and asked about recent phantoms.
The receptionist sent me an information sheet which they give out to guests who are interested in the building's history and there is a small section on ghosts. The relevant section is here:

"Bath is well known as being a city that bears witness to an unusual amount of paranormal activity. Listed below are the ghosts who specifically haunt Queen Square and the hotel itself.
One known as “Julia” walks in the small park at the centre of the square wearing her wedding dress. Local legend has it that she still searches for the man who jilted her at the altar.
In the hotel itself there have been numerous sightings of The Grey Lady. An actress from the 1880's, this lady killed herself in the hotel when she discovered her husband had murdered her secret lover. Her last performance at the theatre was the night of her death, and there she wore a grey feather dress - the same clothing she still wears. Also, during sightings, the aroma of her perfume hangs in the air – it is upon this scent that the olfactory identity of the hotel is based.
There is also the ghost of John Wood’s* former housekeeper, who usually manifests as poltergeist activity. She lost her entire inheritance due to a gambling addiction. John Wood took pity on her and employed her as his housekeeper; however, she unfortunately was unable to shake the addiction, and she became depressed and hanged herself in what were then the servants’ quarters on the top floor of the house. This ghost recently also manifested as an apparition, which our guests described as a “dead housekeeper”.
Another incident occurred this year in the wing of the hotel. The guests in the room checked out early, saying that there was a “presence” in the room, and that they wanted to leave the hotel immediately. They had been too afraid to take their belongings with them so asked the concierge to go and get them. The concierge described an intense pressure in the room, and an unusual feeling of claustrophobia. He noted while in the room that the curtains were open, and a towel was on the floor. When he returned to the room 5 minutes later to check it again, he discovered the curtains had been closed and the towel was folded on the bed. The housekeeping team had left an hour previously… When he checked the room again in the morning, he said the feeling of pressure was gone, but the curtains were now open again.
That same evening a receptionist stayed overnight to support the nights team. She awoke in the middle of the night to an intense feeling of pressure bearing down on her, making it difficult to breathe. She grabbed her mobile phone to call for help but it did not respond to any button presses. After several long seconds the pressure subsided, and her phone began to function normally again."

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*Another part of the document says that, "The Francis hotel occupies almost the entire southern terrace of Queen Square, one of the most important architectural set pieces in the city of Bath, designed by the famous genius of building design, John Wood the Elder, as four terraces of spectacular townhouses. To stay at the Francis Hotel is not just to visit Bath, but to immerse oneself in its history and culture. Work on the building was completed in 1735, and John Wood himself occupied house number 9, which is now the main entrance and lobby of the hotel."

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I was also to hear from a member of the night staff (the same person mentioned in the FT letter) and this is what he said;

"As a Night Team Member I stay over in the hotel overnight and carry out tasks such as paperwork and cleaning. We also walk the hotel twice a night to make sure all is secure. While I cannot attest to encountering any spooky spectres on my nightly rounds I have had a few unexplained occurrences that you may find interesting.​

The Bust of Solomon

When I began my time at the Francis I was introduced to the bust’s of Solomon and Emily Francis, owners and proprietors of the hotel since 1884 when the hotel was founded. The two busts had pride of place in reception, set within the two alcoves on the right-hand side. Their likeness had stood in these alcoves for as long as anyone could remember. In 2021 the owners rebranded the hotel under their newly created Sutton Collection. As part of the rebranding they brought in a new Hotel Manager. Eager to leave his mark on the hotel, he started off with a few dynamic changes. One of these changes was to move the bust of Solomon Francis to the rear entrance of the hotel. I found it a bit strange that he moved one and not the other with little regard to the significance of the busts. As I was stating this fact that Solomon and Emily were now separated, one of the crystal balls dangling from the chandelier dropped and smashed on the ground. This in itself was strange enough but when my colleague and I went over to see what had happened, a second crystal ball fell from a chandelier on the opposite end of the room. Later that evening a 3rd ball fell off a chandelier at the bottom of the stairs as I was walking down towards it. It landed at my feet. This continued for several weeks until we took the decision to move the bust of Emily to the rear entrance where she now sits in an alcove next to her husband. I don’t know if its just a trick of the light but to me it looks like her smile is a bit more pronounced. You can still see the chipped baubles on the chandeliers in reception from Emily’s hunt for her missing husband.

Moving Doors

Several times I have witnessed doors moving on their own. The first I started to notice was during my night walk. Around the hotel there are a number of fire break doors that swing shut on a timer and exactly 22:05 every night. One of my jobs at around 5am I walk the hotel and open up all the doors again. I’ve experience all sorts from doors that close at the end of corridor when you open the door at the entrance of it to hearing a door opening and closing in an empty stairwell on the floor below you. On more than one occasion I have witnessed the 100 year old turnstile door making a full revolution on its own. Mostly we just laugh it off as wind, but as I write this email, there is a storm blowing a gale outside, I can hear it howling through the trees in Queen Square, so far the door has not budged an inch. One night I tried to get video of the doors to the Boho Marche restaurant swinging back and forth at 3 in the morning. It stopped the moment I took my phone out, but as soon as I put my phone away a shadow moved across the frosted glass window and the doors swung back and forth one more time before going quiet for the night.

EVP?

The most recent and probably my most pronounced experience happened just last week. There was nothing that set the night apart for any other until it got to about 6am. My colleague and I were both sat in reception finishing up some paperwork and chatting about how the shift had gone. I began to hear very faint music so low that I assumed it was coming from my colleague’s computer, but she soon asked me if I could hear music too? I told her I thought it was her and she confirmed that she thought it was me. We got up and started to look for the source of the music and we tracked it to one single solitary speaker in the No 10 bar next to reception. The thing is, is that the whole sound system is connected and if one was on then all the speakers in the bar and the lobby should have been on. When I went to the back to check the sound system it was fully off. The music only stopped when I turned it on and off again. Having my phone in my pocket I was able to use the Shazam app to identify the song before I switched it off. The song that was playing on the one solitary speaker in the bar was titled “Feel Alive Again” by Molly Parden.
During my time here I’ve had plenty strange things happen that even as a sceptic I can’t explain. Nothing alarming and nothing malevolent. One of my colleagues swears that she keeps feeling someone squeeze her shoulder reassuringly. I think what ever it is has the best interests of both guests and workers at heart and for all the strange stuff that happens, I have never not once been scared by it. I am just one of many that have had their own encounters at the Francis. From child like whispers that stop when you do, to shadows that disappear down hallways. I’ve heard all kinds of strange stories working here."
Sorry to interrupt this thread for a second everyone and thanks Paul because I've heard very similar reports of similar activity having worked in the hotel trade and my Mrs still working in the hotel trade ... this video remains an all time haunted hotel related favourite which I'm sure you and others have seen before but it still chills me to the bone ..

 
Sorry to interrupt this thread for a second everyone and thanks Paul because I've heard very similar reports of similar activity having worked in the hotel trade and my Mrs still working in the hotel trade ... this video remains an all time haunted hotel related favourite which I'm sure you and others have seen before but it still chills me to the bone ..

Has that video been discussed on another thread? I'd be interested in a little more background to it.
 
Has that video been discussed on another thread? I'd be interested in a little more background to it.
From memory it was originally posted in the forum Ghoststudy.com which became Paranormalsoup.com but neither of those domain names work now. I think Paranormal Soup is on Facebook instead these days so the admin there might be good people to ask.
 
Sorry to interrupt this thread for a second everyone and thanks Paul because I've heard very similar reports of similar activity having worked in the hotel trade and my Mrs still working in the hotel trade ... this video remains an all time haunted hotel related favourite which I'm sure you and others have seen before but it still chills me to the bone ..

Why did he use his torch when all he had to do was turn the lights on?

Also, I have no way of knowing if the 'radio talk' was legit or not.
 
Why did he use his torch when all he had to do was turn the lights on?

Also, I have no way of knowing if the 'radio talk' was legit or not.
Good point ... and which microphone was picking up the screaming? .. John wasn't holding his walkie talkie, I'm not aware of hotel corridor CCTV also being able to typically pick up sound and we shouldn't be able to hear it through the phone operator's recording from the distance away because he would have been in his office.

edit: there's also a faint 'swell' of added ominous sounding music in the background. I'm going to have to go with a well crafted fake on this. The footage also briefly flits to a gymnasium @ about 1:12 in the footage at the bottom of the right hand side of the split screens.
 
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Perhaps he didn't use the light switch in case there was foul play and he didn't want to disturb any fingerprints?
That's a valid point.

He heard a woman screaming so surely his first concern would be for her and I would have thought any finger prints would have been not even a consideration.

If it had been me, I would have been in that room like a bull in china shop. Well, perhaps not now at aged 66, but 20 years ago, definitely.
 
That's a valid point.

He heard a woman screaming so surely his first concern would be for her and I would have thought any finger prints would have been not even a consideration.

If it had been me, I would have been in that room like a bull in china shop. Well, perhaps not now at aged 66, but 20 years ago, definitely.
The Mrs found someone dead this last December and touched his hand (no joke). She was interviewed by the police during the 'clean up' and realised it would be important to tell them about that because her DNA would have been on his body. She'd gone into cope mode.
 

In the hotel itself there have been numerous sightings of The Grey Lady. An actress from the 1880's, this lady killed herself in the hotel when she discovered her husband had murdered her secret lover. Her last performance at the theatre was the night of her death, and there she wore a grey feather dress - the same clothing she still wears. Also, during sightings, the aroma of her perfume hangs in the air – it is upon this scent that the olfactory identity of the hotel is based.
There is also the ghost of John Wood’s* former housekeeper, who usually manifests as poltergeist activity. She lost her entire inheritance due to a gambling addiction. John Wood took pity on her and employed her as his housekeeper; however, she unfortunately was unable to shake the addiction, and she became depressed and hanged herself in what were then the servants’ quarters on the top floor of the house. This ghost recently also manifested as an apparition, which our guests described as a “dead housekeeper”.
These things (particularly the Grey Lady) should be a matter of public record. The 1880s isn't THAT long ago, and there should be a paper trail associated with this. Has anyone investigated? Local newspaper archives, death certificates, etc? It seems odd that a woman who only died 140 years ago isn't known by name. Also the 'former housekeeper' - any lady of note receiving a large inheritance and not immediately having to surrender it to her husband ought to be a 'known name' and the facts verifiable.

Sorry if this sounds nit-picky but I am driven mad by the 'it is said' brigade, when it ought to be easy to check! I don't doubt that there are 'happenings' but the lazy attribution to 'someone who once lived here who died tragically' should at least be looked into.
 
Perhaps he didn't use the light switch in case there was foul play and he didn't want to disturb any fingerprints?
Also, if John decided there might be an aggressor in that room which would be more plausible than leaping to the conclusion that something paranormal was happening, he'd want to leave the light off and also shine his torch into the eyes of any potential threating person to give himself more time to respond.

This video's compelling but I'm stuck on it stating it hasn't been edited so the poster is suggesting it's raw footage. Which microphone picked up the screaming? the guttural sound of that is consistent with stuff I've heard although not as dramatic or loud at locations. When was the music added and by who?. Why do we start off with split multi screen CCTV then switch to only outside the room?. Was that the operator at the end of the phone line doing that live?. Why do we get about a one second shot of the gymnasium?. The light outside the room flickering wouldn't be easy to fake unless the hotel owners were in on producing a fake video. The white mist shape leaving the room if it's fake would need to be produced in post edit because that's not just someone smearing Vaseline over a sheet of glass.
 
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Also, if John decided there might be an aggressor in that room which would be more plausible than leaping to the conclusion that something paranormal was happening, he'd want to leave the light off and also shine his torch into the eyes of any potential threating person to give himself more time to respond.

This video's compelling but I'm stuck on it stating it hasn't been edited so the poster is suggesting it's raw footage. Which microphone picked up the screaming? the guttural sound of that is consistent with stuff I've heard although not as dramatic or loud at locations. When was the music added and by who?. Why do we start off with split multi screen CCTV then switch to only outside the room?. Was that the operator at the end of the phone line doing that live?. Why do we get about a one second shot of the gymnasium?. The light outside the room flickering wouldn't be easy to fake unless the hotel owners were in on producing a fake video. The white mist shape leaving the room if it's fake would need to be produced in post edit because that's not just someone smearing Vaseline over a sheet of glass.
The person-sized blur leaving the room is classic fake ghost vid material, which has me doubting the whole thing.
 
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Sorry to interrupt this thread for a second everyone and thanks Paul because I've heard very similar reports of similar activity having worked in the hotel trade and my Mrs still working in the hotel trade ... this video remains an all time haunted hotel related favourite which I'm sure you and others have seen before but it still chills me to the bone ..

As soon as I heard the spooky music soundtrack that had been added I thought 'hoax'.

I can see others have got there before me: @Swifty and @kesavaross have nailed the issues with this, especially the question of how we can hear the screaming, why use a torch etc.

The Youtube channel this was posted on seems to have been created to publicise a low-budget, independent production:

A filmmaker tries to prove that ghosts are real but soon regrets his intentions after he finds himself being terrorized in a haunted house by a ghost with a dark past. An authentic documentary that shows actual ghost footage that was captured on camera.

https://blackwellghost.wixsite.com/theblackwellghost

Hardly original but explains how they had the equipment to fake the hotel video.

To be honest, I wish this was on another thread as the opening post is both intriguing and authentic
 
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As soon as I heard the spooky music soundtrack that had been added I thought 'hoax'.

I can see others have got there before me: @Swifty and @kesavaross have nailed the issues with this, especially the question of how we can hear the screaming, why use a torch etc.

The Youtube channel this was posted on seems to have been created to publicise a low-budget, independent production:

A filmmaker tries to prove that ghosts are real but soon regrets his intentions after he finds himself being terrorized in a haunted house by a ghost with a dark past. An authentic documentary that shows actual ghost footage that was captured on camera.

https://blackwellghost.wixsite.com/theblackwellghost

Hardly original but explains how they had the equipment to fake the hotel video.

To be honest, I wish this was on another thread as the opening post is both intriguing and authentic
It's very well constructed. I have to give it that.
 
Hardly original but explains how they had the equipment to fake the hotel video.

To be honest, I wish this was on another thread as the opening post is both intriguing and authentic
Yes, Dr Paul's original post is excellent, but I do think it was worthwhile Swifty posting that hotel vid on here as it is a good example of how persuasive and convincing some of these online ghost vids can be, and the ensuing comments on here have given me an much-needed insight into why anyone would want to create things like that.

I'm sure I'm not alone in being genuinely interested in wanting to understand what 'ghosts' are - or at least what it is about us as a species or as a society that causes us to believe in them and/or interpret things we experience as 'ghosts'.

I've always found it very hard to understand the mindset of people who seek to deliberately muddy the waters of research by creating fakes or hoaxes, but the idea of this vid and others being part of a creative enterprise relating to the making of a spooky movie made the scales fall from my eyes...in the case of that hotel vid, at least. I like to think that not all of the vids I've seen can be explained quite so easily... but then I do want to believe.
 
The person-sized blur leaving the room is classic fake ghost vid material, which has me doubting the whole thing.
Do we know which programme they used to create the mist apparition effect if that is what they've done?. I've got no electrician experience so I'd like to know how the flickering lamp effect was achieved from inside a hotel wall.
 
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Do we know which programme they used to create the mist apparition effect if that is what they've done?. I've got no electrician experience so I'd like to know how the flickering lamp effect was achieved from inside a hotel wall.
I don't do video work myself, but a very quick google turned up something called Ghost Lens.
 
I don't do video work myself, but a very quick google turned up something called Ghost Lens.
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@catseye
I'll get round to checking it, just very busy at the moment! But from experience, I often find that there is no mention in the papers. The only two that I can think of where I was proven wrong was The Golden Fleece in York (where the story of the dead serviceman was basically right but the name given in ghost books was wrong) and The Plough Hotel* in Wigglesworth, North Yorkshire where there were a few mentions in the papers of the deaths here (and I was very surprised by this).

* - The Plough's story is that, "Former landlady Gladys Saxton and her maid Margaret Harrison have been attending to their duties after death, reportedly “plumping up pillows.” They both died in a fire here in March 1945; Gladys was overcome by fumes when she rushed upstairs to warn others and was dead on arrival at hospital. Margaret’s badly burned body was found much later in the remains of her bedroom."
 
From Youtube, looks like they made made a few quid from this:

13,702,358 views 5 Sept 2012 #209


For Licensing rights please contact us at: www.blackwellghost.com**

UPDATE: Due to legal matters, I am not allowed to say any more information regarding the exact location of this hotel. Please stop asking. Thank you!

This video was submitted to us by the hotel security manager who was standing watch on September 14, 2003 at a WINGATE HOTEL in Illinois. His voice can be heard in the background of the recording. According to him, people staying at the hotel began calling in noise complaints to the front desk with reports of loud screaming coming from the 2nd floor--particularly room #209. There is no known history to the room according to our investigation. However, upon further review, we found that over the years, multiple complaints of "strange noises" were reported to be coming from the room. This is the only known recording of it. Note to comments: It's funny how people think this video is edited/fake. The audio is a mix down between the security camera audio and a separate recording from inside the office (which is specifically there to record in case of robbery to the hotel). People will always come to their own conclusions why a video is fake (like cameras pointed at the door). What they don't realized is that there are about 80 cameras in the hallways around the hotel, all pointing at doors and hallways.


Did hotel CCTV systems have audio in 2003? Even if so, wouldn't we also hear the security guy walking along the corridor and opening the door?
 
From Youtube, looks like they made made a few quid from this:

13,702,358 views 5 Sept 2012 #209


For Licensing rights please contact us at: www.blackwellghost.com**

UPDATE: Due to legal matters, I am not allowed to say any more information regarding the exact location of this hotel. Please stop asking. Thank you!

This video was submitted to us by the hotel security manager who was standing watch on September 14, 2003 at a WINGATE HOTEL in Illinois. His voice can be heard in the background of the recording. According to him, people staying at the hotel began calling in noise complaints to the front desk with reports of loud screaming coming from the 2nd floor--particularly room #209. There is no known history to the room according to our investigation. However, upon further review, we found that over the years, multiple complaints of "strange noises" were reported to be coming from the room. This is the only known recording of it. Note to comments: It's funny how people think this video is edited/fake. The audio is a mix down between the security camera audio and a separate recording from inside the office (which is specifically there to record in case of robbery to the hotel). People will always come to their own conclusions why a video is fake (like cameras pointed at the door). What they don't realized is that there are about 80 cameras in the hallways around the hotel, all pointing at doors and hallways.


Did hotel CCTV systems have audio in 2003? Even if so, wouldn't we also hear the security guy walking along the corridor and opening the door?
Nice find Paul.
 
Nice find Paul.
Oh dear:

Does the subject consent to audio recording?​

According to the privacy laws in most states, CCTV cameras cannot record sound unless you obtain the consent of at least one party involved in the conversation.

In such places as California, Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Hawaii, Illinois, Kansas, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, Utah, and Washington, all-party consent is required before your security cameras can record sound legally.

https://reolink.com/blog/do-securit...KZNMvTBr8CUHDWHRG6O_cD097wlOyZ6ktGMOryOJL-aIl

From the comments:


@knightwinggl1800

1 year ago
This video is highly edited and was created by filmmaker Turner Clay who also directed The Blackwell Ghost. The part of "John" in this hotel clip is Clay himself, who references this video in the Blackwell Ghost. It's a good video to the untrained eye, but can be ripped to shreds by those who can see the issues with it.


 
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@THAPWNZORRO

8 years ago
Things wrong with this video, judge for yourself:

1) We can hear the screams from inside the room, so there's something recording them. Why can't we hear anything John's saying when he's standing in front of the door?

2) Apparently there's "reports of screaming" so at least a few people can hear it, yet there is literally not a single guest out in the hallway to check what's going on?

3) The video says the footage is not edited, yet there's some semi-creepy music going on in the background.

4) Why is there a camera pointed at one specific room?

5) Why does John use a flashlight instead of just trying to turn on the lights in the room?

6) The FPS is awfully high for 2003 security footage, cameras like this cost a fortune back then. This also suggests the grainy quality of the footage is just a filter added in afterwards, a high FPS expensive camera with grainy video makes no sense.

7) If they have these expensive cameras in the hotel, wouldn't they at least set them up properly? Camera 2 shakes when the elevator moves, camera 7 has 50% of it's vision blocked by a wall, the outside camera gets blocked as soon as a car pulls up etc.

8) The camera names are inconsistent, "Camera 2" "Pool Camera" " South Stairs" there is no logical order or anything, which a professionally set-up camera system would have.

9) Does it really make sense for hotel management to send in a single guy, after several reports of screaming and literally hearing constant, almost inhumane screams coming from a room? Or at least instantly call/warn the police, instead of just waiting it out.


Also: Snopes.com flagged this up as a hoax:

Is a Wingate Hotel in Illinois Haunted by a Ghost?​

A video showed a purported incident in room 209.​


https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/wingate-hotel-illinois-209/
 
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@THAPWNZORRO

8 years ago
Things wrong with this video, judge for yourself:

1) We can hear the screams from inside the room, so there's something recording them. Why can't we hear anything John's saying when he's standing in front of the door?

2) Apparently there's "reports of screaming" so at least a few people can hear it, yet there is literally not a single guest out in the hallway to check what's going on?

3) The video says the footage is not edited, yet there's some semi-creepy music going on in the background.

4) Why is there a camera pointed at one specific room?

5) Why does John use a flashlight instead of just trying to turn on the lights in the room?

6) The FPS is awfully high for 2003 security footage, cameras like this cost a fortune back then. This also suggests the grainy quality of the footage is just a filter added in afterwards, a high FPS expensive camera with grainy video makes no sense.

7) If they have these expensive cameras in the hotel, wouldn't they at least set them up properly? Camera 2 shakes when the elevator moves, camera 7 has 50% of it's vision blocked by a wall, the outside camera gets blocked as soon as a car pulls up etc.

8) The camera names are inconsistent, "Camera 2" "Pool Camera" " South Stairs" there is no logical order or anything, which a professionally set-up camera system would have.

9) Does it really make sense for hotel management to send in a single guy, after several reports of screaming and literally hearing constant, almost inhumane screams coming from a room? Or at least instantly call/warn the police, instead of just waiting it out.


Also: Snopes.com flagged this up as a hoax:

Is a Wingate Hotel in Illinois Haunted by a Ghost?​

A video showed a purported incident in room 209.​


https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/wingate-hotel-illinois-209/
Kudos to him for making a very atmospheric work of fiction. The music is so low it's almost subliminal. I wonder if he was influenced by the film Paranormal Activity?. I can't remember which year that came out.
 
Kudos to him for making a very atmospheric work of fiction. The music is so low it's almost subliminal. I wonder if he was influenced by the film Paranormal Activity?. I can't remember which year that came out.
The hoaxes are now becoming so plausible will we be able to tell what is genuine in the future? I think this will become an increasing problem for Forteans. That said, can ghosts be captured on camera? There are very few photographs or video clips I can think of that defy explanation (although that Eeworth Pond woman needs explaining).
 
The hoaxes are now becoming so plausible will we be able to tell what is genuine in the future? I think this will become an increasing problem for Forteans. That said, can ghosts be captured on camera? There are very few photographs or video clips I can think of that defy explanation.
The guy could at least have put a different hat on.
 
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