Fred & Rosemary West

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EH!!? WHAT? SORRY? PARDON? From the BBC:

'The wedding between jailed serial killer Rose West and Slade bass player Dave Glover has been called off - just days after it was announced.

The pair have been writing to each other for a year, but Mr Glover is reported to have pulled out because of the publicity.

In a statement released by her solicitor, Leo Goatley, West said she wanted to give "this young man his life back."

Plans for the wedding were announced on Sunday...

...Mr Goatley added: "She sounded quite matter of fact when she told me the news. She just said 'I want you to tell the press that the relationship is at an end.' '

Huh, oh, erm.. if this wasn't on the BBC website I would have assumed it was a spoof.
 
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Yeah, my colleague was reading that out of the Sun yesterday. Wierdest thing was, The guy in Slade is 36, and i thought, Hang On, Slade? 36 years old? that can't be right!

But apparently its 'Slade 2' :D
 
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I saw Dave Hill of Slade interviewed on TV recently. He was talking about their latest tour. And about how successful they still are (North Korea, North Sea ferries, Butlins etc). He was about 10 minutes into the interview before he chanced to mention that Noddy had actually left the band some years previously.

I always thought he was the weirdest one in the band. I could only ever watch him from behind the sofa.

But clearly he is no longer the oddest Slader. I wonder what they all talk about together. I'm sure we've all had partners who our friends have found slightly difficult - but imagine having Rose West as your girlfriend. Whooar!
 
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4imix said:
Like on 'Slade in residence' Bob Mortimer did a cracking impression of the bloke with the mad haircut!
Definitely the funniest thing R&M ever did, their Slade stuff! :p
 
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On the subject of the dispicable Wests, I heard an UL about Fred.

A tv presenter brought a house in the Gloucestershire countryside. Stripping the walls, he and his wife discovered "Fred West woz ere 1973"
I would be well and truly spooked. Fred always maintained that there were other victims unaccounted for.
 
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Noddy's my dad's cousin, so we'll have a bit more respect around here;)

I know it's my opinion (and I've never met the guy actually) but Noddy does have a fantastic rock voice. And they did write some very good stuff.
 
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I would sell my soul to have Noddys voice (of course it would help if I was male).

Pointless aside, theres a guy who hangs around one of the pubs here who is the dead spit of him.........
 
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Sorry Helen (if your reference was to my post). Dave Hill was the Slader I could only watch from behind the sofa. But my post was a bit vague.

Noddy was funny and wins my respect for not being still part of Slade.
 
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Who on earth would want to marry rose west?

..at least it confirms that these rock-stars can afford seriously good drugs...
 

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Fred West & The Occult

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Fred West linked to the occult Feb 22 2004

By Caroline Wheeler

Serial killers Fred and Rose West shocked the world with an horrific murder spree that claimed at least 12 lives.

But as the 10th anniversary of the House of Horrors murders approaches, evidence has emerged of a sinister new twist to their crimes - with an expert's claims that they were devil-worshippers whose victims were human sacrifices.

Renowned Irish author Jim Cairns says new evidence shows the pair may have been part of a Midland black magic ring.

Mr Cairns has previously exposed a satanic sect operating in Kilkenny which he claimed had been responsible for the disappearance of a number of young people.

He also wrote the book Disappeared Off The Face Of The Earth about his firsthand experiences of witches’ covens in Northern Ireland.

Now he is writing a book about the Wests, which will claim that they may have been involved in ritual killings at Gloucester’s Cromwell Street - along with others who have never been brought to trial.

Mr Cairns revealed that ALL the West’s victims had finger or toe bones missing - a common trait in occult killings known as “the magic hand”.

And he revealed that the drinking counter the couple had built in their infamous House of Horror home was named the Black Magic Bar.

Last night Mr Cairns elaborated on the latest theory to surface as to why the Wests brutally murdered at least 12 young women.

The former electrician, who also runs a missing persons website in Ireland, said: “Myself and others believe there is a definite occult or satanic connection to the West murders.

“The murders reek of human sacrifice with powerful connections.

“The Wests have got all the essential ingredients of ritual killers - their indifference to the suffering of their victims, the murder of their own children and the burying of the bodies under their own house.

“The fact that all of the victims had fingers and toes missing, and that the bar they built to entertain Rose West’s clients was called the Black Magic Bar, just underlines the point.”

At first it was thought that the name of the bar was a reference to prostitute Rose’s preference for having sex with black men.

But Mr Cairns thinks it refers to something more sinister.

“It can’t be a coincidence,” he said. “And the Wests wouldn’t be the first serial killers to have satanic connections.

“I have no doubt that the likes of Jack the Ripper and Myra Hindley were involved in something similar. Their killing patterns and behaviour reek of the occult, too.”

In 2002 author Ivor Edwards published a book titled Jack the Ripper’s Black Magic Rituals, which explored the notorious killer’s satanic links.

Mr Cairns said he plans to write a similar book about the Wests and claims they may even have been supplying a Gloucestershire coven with human sacrifices.

He believes Fred committed suicide in 1995 after being threatened by high-ranking members of the coven who feared exposure.

His brother, who was himself suspected of being involved in the murders, also later killed himself. It is also alleged that Fred told one journalist he was covering for others.

Mr Cairns said: “It can hardly be coincidence that Fred and his brother both committed suicide before they had their day in open court and a chance to tell their stories.

“My belief is that Fred was covering up for people in the coven who did not want their story to come to light.

“In my experience, members of satanic cults often come from the professional classes, who would do anything to protect their reputation.”

Journalist Geoffrey Wansell wrote Fred West’s official biography, An Evil Love, in 1996.

It included one passage which alluded to Rose’s fascination with black magic and the occult - an interest shared by one of her victims, nanny Lynda Gough.

The section reads: “After her arrest the police suggested to Rosemary West that she had become fascinated by Lynda Gough’s interest in black magic and satanism, which led them to want to torture and humiliate their victims as part of a ritual in which other people who shared their views participated.”

A previous Government-backed report found evidence of children being secretly reared for sacrifice by satanists in 21st century Britain.

In 2000, psychotherapist Valerie Sinason was funded by the Department of Health to study adult survivors of alleged organised ritual abuse.

She said she was “completely convinced” that satanic abuse existed and that children, whose births were not officially registered, were being reared for abuse and sacrifice.

Mrs Sinason, who edited a clinical textbook on satanist abuse after the controversies in Rochdale, the Orkneys and Nottingham in the early 1990s, has claimed to have evidence of at least 100 ritual murders.

Dr Peter Maxwell-Stuart, an academic at St Andrews University in Scotland, is a specialist historian in the study of medieval witchcraft and was sceptical about the new West claims.

But he did confirm that the idea of the “magic hand” was grounded in 16th century witchcraft history.

“Most of the talk about modern witchcraft and the occult is a load of twaddle,” he said.

“I think it unlikely that Fred West was a member of a coven because he doesn’t fit the bill of the modern coven member, who are usually environmentalists.

"The magic hand does have some foundation in witchcraft history, however. It dates back to the 16th century but it refers to the cutting off of an entire hand - not just fingers and toes.

“But there are also reports of witches grinding down the fingers and toes or sacrifices to make powder to use for their spells or potions.

“These are things linked to the 16th and 17th century rather than modern day witchcraft and magic.”

* In 1943 three young boys discovered the body of a murdered man in Hagley Wood, Worcestershire, who had several fingers missing. His digits were discovered buried some yards away from his body, and it was believed to be a devil worship killing.
 
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Is this a new cottage industry we're seeing developing here? Ellis C. Taylor (present elsewhere on this board) has been trying to show that some high profile child murders (Soham, Sarah Payne) had Satanic connotations. Now this. Is this where the money is now, taking high profile murder cases and turning up questionable occult links? :cross eye
 

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Dark Detective said:
Is this a new cottage industry we're seeing developing here? Ellis C. Taylor (present elsewhere on this board) has been trying to show that some high profile child murders (Soham, Sarah Payne) had Satanic connotations. Now this. Is this where the money is now, taking high profile murder cases and turning up questionable occult links? :cross eye
Quite a successful formula, too. Take a crime (usually grisly terrible murder of children), shout OCCULT! and you will play on a whole range of people's inner fears all in one go. :(
 

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It's not a new theory though.

the sunday papers were full of stuf about a small black magic club that operated in the west country, of which fred and rose west were the priciple members and that there were a small handful of this cult still at large.
The newspapers (the news of the world if memory serves) ran double page spreads of photographs of black magic sites in glostershire. These seamed to consist of bus stops than someone had wrote Hell on the glass with red marker pen, and the remains of old camp fires (presumably where kittens, puppies and babys had been roasted :rolleyes: ).
 

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The fact that they named their drinking counter The Black Magic bar clinches it for me. Clearly they were both devil worshipers and involved with secret baby-killing covens across the country. Good work, Mr Cairns, we all benefit from quality investigative work such as this.
 
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Cairns is a nut. Have a look at his site. Seems he thinks every ill to beset Ireland is due to Stanic rituals, etc
 

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Hey maybe he has a point - it could explain the potato famine. Satanists with their dark rituals, cursing all the spuds - the bastards!
 

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There were a couple of pages devoted to this in my local Sunday Tabloid (Sunday Mercury).

Although I haven't got the actual reference to hand, the police had originally released information supporting the idea their (Fred & Rose) mini bar was called 'The Black Magic Bar', due to one of many of Rose's sexual fantasies of sleeping/having affairs with black men.

They were also very critical of this guy's book.
 

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If they'd called it the Black Cock Bar, this guy would've assumed they'd been sacrificing chickens...

I'll get me coat...
 

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Society finds it easier to create tenuous links with evil when faced with horrific crimes it cannot explain without incriminating itself. It easier to blame an outside influence rather than human society or individual pathology.. Fred and Rosemary chose to do what they did and they enjoyed doing it for the usual reasons of control and power. The Satanist theory is easier for some people to accept than the true mundanity of the actual reasons.

I think it is quite dangerous to dress up these base crimes, as in some ways it can make them seem alluring to the wrong minds. Murder does not seem so exciting and mysterious when you realise the offenders commit these crimes for pathetic, selfish reasons. Murderers are not all powerful, they are weak, powerless people who use pathetics reasons to justify their sick crimes to themselves and others.(some murders are committed by people with mental problems, but they are in a v small minority and their motives are v different, but i don t want to complicate the disscussion or bore people to death by going into this).

Hand and toes joints are generally the first things that get eaten and carried away by wild animals, so it is not unusual not to be able to find them.
 

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Indeed. Plus the fact that Satanists have no more tendency to commit violence than anybody else. Just because they're misguided doesn't mean they're evil or psychotic, like the media would have us believe.
 

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I agree, Satanists do not have any higher need for violence than the rest ofus. Some people might use their twisted version of what they believe Satanism to be in order to justify their selfish acts, but thats all it is, their justification.
 
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