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Archive to open on 'Black Bishop'
Austrian prelate thought to have helped Nazis escape trial
(ANSA) - Vatican City, October 11 - An important Catholic seminary in Rome is to open its archives in order to shed light on an Austrian bishop widely accused of helping Nazi war criminals escape trial after World War II .
Monsignor Alois Hudal, who died in 1963, was head of the Teutonic College in Rome during and immediately after the war. The seminary is the most important centre for the training of German-speaking priests .
He was known for his pro-Nazi views and is alleged to have set up a 'ratline' after the war through which many Nazi war crimes suspects escaped trial. Much of the evidence against against Hudel has been collected by the Simon Wiesenthal Centre, a Jewish organisation which hunts down war criminals. Its founder called the Austrian prelate the 'Black Bishop' .
Among those reportedly helped by Hudel was Franz Stangl, commander of the Treblinka concentration camp in Poland where 800,000 Jews were killed. Hudel is said to have given him a false passport .
The news that the Teutonic College is to open up its records was given by Monsignor Walter Brandmueller, head of the Pontifical Council for Historical Studies .
"At the moment we don't know whether the archive will show Msgr Hudal to be a relevant character or not. We'll only know when all the papers have been analysed. And there are a lot of them," he said .
'FRAGMENTARY PICTURE' .
Msgr Brandmueller cautioned that, although Hudel's Nazi sympathies were clear, a full picture of the man and his work had not yet been assembled .
"At the moment there is only a fragmentary image of this person because not all the documents have been seen," he said during a recent seminar at the Teutonic College .
Some Catholic historians at the seminar said it was possible that the documents in the archive would show Hudal to be a less important figure than has so far been believed .
After the war, Hudal became involved with processing displaced persons. According to some historians and writers, this allowed him to organise the escape of Stangl and other war criminals such as Gustav Wagner, Alois Brunner and, perhaps, Adolf Eichmann. Hudal's activities caused a press scandal in 1947 and in 1951 he resigned as rector of the Teutonic College. He remained in Rome until his death in 1963 .
Photo: Nazi officer Adolf Eichmann, who was hanged in Israel in 1962 for organising the extermination of millions of Jews. After the war he escaped to Argentina, allegedly with Alois Hudal's help .
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You have to understand that the Nazis were a YOUTH movement.theyithian said:i had assumed the last Nazis on the run had either succumbed to hunters or age but it seems not
You're quite right. I just had never considered it. My fault.OldTimeRadio said:You have to understand that the Nazis were a YOUTH movement.theyithian said:i had assumed the last Nazis on the run had either succumbed to hunters or age but it seems not
Even at the end of the War Adolf Hitler was the second-youngest leader on the world stage. (Only Charles De Gaulle was younger.)
Heinrich Himmler was a mere 25 years old when he assumed command of the SS and only 43 when he suicided after Hitler's death.
Many of the most brutal concentration camp guards were VERY young, having been born only in the early 1920s.
IIRC, it means that war is waged with the specific intent of destroying another country or poplace, usually for the implied puprpse of subjugation, using means which go beyond those of military necessity. Usually wars are waged as a means of neutralising or causing enough damage to another country's military capability, in order to force it to either stop it doing something or to force it to the take the diplomatic route. The expansionist policies of the Nazis were well-known and not hidden by the Nazi leadership - it was always very clear what their idea was and the purpose of their military capability WRT their political ideals. The Nazis made a point of creating wholesale destruction and terror as part of their war effort, alongside the destruction of other races and anyone they deemed undesirable. It was part of the way they chose to subjugate other countries and populations. The Allied war effort had a different intent, and a different approach to that intent, and so is not comparable Similarly, modern calls for GWB and Tony Blair to be acccused of waging agressive war are also baseless.OldTimeRadio said:And I've never been able to obtain any clear definition of what non-agressive war is actually supposed to be.
Yes, but during the last year of the War and even immediately thereafter there was a very strong sentiment in the United States, especially, to absolutely destroy all German cities, to pull down every German factory and university alike, and to reduce the entire nation to an AGRARIAN state, with the largest population centers permitted being small hamlets or villages. Education would be limited to reading and the calculation of sums, sufficent for the running of a small farm.Jerry_B said:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/23/nazis-secret-hideout-found-in-remote-argentinian-jungleRuins found in remote Argentinian jungle 'may be secret Nazi hideout'
Archaeologists believe ruins found in a remote jungle region may be the remains of a hideout built by Nazis to flee to in the event of defeat in the second world war.
Researchers are studying the remains of three buildings located in the Teyu Cuare park in northern Argentina near Paraguay, the Clarin newspaper reported.
University of Buenos Aires researchers found five German coins minted between 1938 and 1941 and a fragment of porcelain plate bearing the inscription Made in Germany.
Interesting post which resurrects a forgotten thread.I think this fits here. Feel free to move, if not.
The 'evidence' doesn't seem that conclusive but I suppose they might find some more when they examine the ruins themselves. Of course, there were plenty of Nazis in Argentina after the war anyway, not making much use of this supposed secret hideout...
Yes, and... I lean towards what I think McAvennie was arguing: "how can you know what it feels like to be in that scenario in Germany in the 1940s? What would have been the result of standing up to your superiors?" Well, you'd have been the next against the wall. It takes a very strong person to be able to resist that kind of terminal pressure, even if you have no relatives to worry about. I'd like to think I would do the right thing in a situation like that. I hope I never have to find out...This wasn't the stone age. In 1943, people's standards of morality had generally evolved to say "hang on, death camps really are a no-no."
Saying it's easier said than done is one thing. Implying codes or morality were wildly different is another.Yes, and... I lean towards what I think McAvennie was arguing: "how can you know what it feels like to be in that scenario in Germany in the 1940s? What would have been the result of standing up to your superiors?" Well, you'd have been the next against the wall. It takes a very strong person to be able to resist that kind of terminal pressure, even if you have no relatives to worry about. I'd like to think I would do the right thing in a situation like that. I hope I never have to find out...
edited, as one should be very careful about what one wishes for.
Except that, for the people instigating these horrors, their moral codes must have been different, otherwise they could not have brought themselves and others to commit them. The Nazis had spent years dehumanising and othering the various groups of people who fell victim to the Holocaust, to the extent that enough party members were able to participate in mass murder while maintaining - presumably - their own self-image as a decent human being. Naturally, they were horribly wrong in this, as plenty of people could have told them at the time, let alone with the benefit of hindsight. And yet they did it.Saying it's easier said than done is one thing. Implying codes or morality were wildly different is another.
I dunno but it always makes me feel sad/sickened when we treat evil people as badly as they treated others.Paris (AFP) - Nazi war criminal Alois Brunner, responsible for the deaths of an estimated 130,000 Jews, died in 2001 at the age of 89, locked up in a squalid Damascus basement, a French magazine reported Wednesday.
Its investigation -- described as "highly credible" by veteran Nazi-hunter Serge Klarsfeld -- aimed at discovering the fate of one of the most notorious figures of the Holocaust.
Three ex-members of the Syrian secret service interviewed by the magazine XXI said Adolf Eichmann's former assistant spent his last years in miserable conditions underneath an apartment block in the Syrian capital.
The Austrian-born SS commander was in charge of the Drancy camp north of Paris from which Jews in occupied France were sent to the gas chambers.
He remained to the end an unrepentant Nazi and anti-Semite, the sources told XXI.
One of his guards said Brunner, who went by the name of Abu Hussein, "suffered and cried a lot in his final years, everyone heard him".
The man, identified only as Omar, said he "couldn't even wash".
All he had to eat were "army rations -- awful stuff -- and an egg or a potato. He had to choose one or the other."
Not with a bang but a whimper
SOURCE: https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-...city-in-10000-Nazi-camp-deaths/8381612561945/Germany charges 95-year-old woman with complicity in 10,000 Nazi camp deaths
German prosecutors on Friday charged a 95-year-old woman with being complicit in the murders of 10,000 people at a Nazi concentration camp in Poland.
The woman, whose name was not released according to German privacy laws, worked as a typist and secretary at the Stutthof camp between June 1943 and April 1945 during World War II. ...
She's "accused of having assisted those responsible at the camp in the systematic killing of Jewish prisoners, Polish partisans and Soviet Russian prisoners of war in her function as a stenographer and secretary to the camp commander," the prosecutors in Itzehoe said.
Because she was a minor at the time of the alleged crimes, she's being charged in juvenile court.
During the woman's time working at the camp, the Nazis used Zyklon B gas chambers to exterminate prisoners. All told, the Nazis killed about 65,000 at Stutthof and transferred another 22,000 to other camps. ...
FULL STORY: https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/20/us/nazi-guard-deported-trnd/index.htmlThe US deported a 95-year-old former Nazi concentration camp guard
A Tennessee resident who was a guard at a Nazi concentration camp during World War II has been deported to Germany, the US Justice Department said in a statement Friday.
Friedrich Karl Berger, a 95-year-old German citizen, was ordered removed from the US in February 2020, when a US immigration judge determined his "willing service" as a guard of concentration camp prisoners "constituted assistance in Nazi-sponsored persecution," the Justice Department said.
Berger was eligible for removal from the US under the Holtzman Amendment, which prohibits anyone who participated in Nazi persecution from living in the US. The Board of Immigration Appeals upheld the ruling in November 2020. ...
Berger's trial found he had worked as an armed guard at a Neuengamme sub-camp near Meppen, Germany, in 1945. Most of the prisoners there were Russian, Dutch and Polish civilians, but there were also Jews, Danes, Latvians, French, Italians and Nazi "political opponents," the Justice Department's statement said.
The court found Berger admitted he guarded the prisoners to prevent their escape and that he didn't request a transfer from the camp guard service, according to the Justice Department. Additionally, Berger still gets a pension from Germany for his employment there, including for his "wartime service." ...
I am not typically a "conspiracy theorist" but I strongly suspect that this sort of sudden arrest and deportation, decades after the event, is gesture politics, news management, and a quid pro quo in the great game of international diplomacy.I still do not understand why it takes 75 years to arrest and deport a suspected camp guard - new evidence come to light ? I'm not commenting on the merits of a prosecution, just wondering why everyone waits for the witnesses to die off before acting.
The oddest part about this case is that the German authorities have dropped the charges against him due to lack of evidence, so does this men he can return to the US where he has lived since 1959.Here's another remarkably late action. A 95-year-old former concentration camp guard has been deported from the USA.
FULL STORY: https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/20/us/nazi-guard-deported-trnd/index.html