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Global Warming & Climate Change: Humans' Reactions & Responses

A fair few young kids are saying this virus is a great thing as it will kill everyone off. This generation is seriously messed up - but who's to blame?
Out of interest, where are 'young kids' saying that? How many are? Any examples? Nobody is to b!ame. The current younger generation are no worse or better than yours.
 
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Farmers in subarctic regions of northern Canada have started growing wheat for the first time as climate change warms new land for crops.

Steadily rising Canadian temperatures have been greeted with alarm by scientists, who are concerned that thawing permafrost could release greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere and further accelerate global warming.

It has also presented opportunities for farmers in the Northwest Territories and in parts of Newfoundland and Labrador.

“The snow season is shrinking,” Sylvain Charlebois, director of the Agri-Food Analytics Lab at Dalhousie University in Nova Scotia, said. “Before it was there until the first day of May. It’s now disappearing early in April.”

Though climate change had caused problems for farmers in southern Canada, “up north it’s absolutely changing the landscape”, he said. “Growing conditions have changed dramatically. There have been some groups who have looked at it as an opportunity.”

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/...n-the-not-so-frozen-north-of-canada-hjfl3gvcc
 
Out of interest, where are 'young kids' saying that? How many are? Any examples? Nobody is to b!ame. The current younger generation are no worse or better than yours.

It was on Reddit, a place which strangely embodies some of the best and some of the worst of the Internet. I went to find a link, but the once-trending threads have since been removed, probably as they're pretty distasteful.

Story covering the issue while 'live' here:
https://nypost.com/2020/03/19/morbi...-meme-only-makes-millennials-seem-more-awful/

I don't know. I've been as hard on today's youngsters as anybody, but the best of the past couple of generations are every bit as remarkable as those of mine, my parents' and my grandparents'.

The worst of them are probably just products of a worse society, not because of any inherent flaw in their characters.

I don't claim society 'worse' in every respect (definitely not), but it seems a lot worse at being a society, that is an organic, coherent thing that binds all these humans together and forges links between them that transcend the economic. One used to speak of unfortunate or benighted individuals 'falling through the cracks', but it would make more sense today to say that they weren't able to reach one of the various islands that have been gradually floating away from one another for decades.
 
Out of interest, where are 'young kids' saying that? How many are? Any examples? Nobody is to b!ame. The current younger generation are no worse or better than yours.

Not saying that in the slightest if anything my generation is more to blame with putting up with and voting in stupid governments who have stripped various health services around the world/ ignored climate change.

I can't give out details but I've as good as heard it myself. Remember there are a lot of kids out there with mood disorders, suicidal ideation who see this as another reason to opt-out of life. I totally understand this having grown up in the 1980's where it was either death by AIDS or death by the bomb. If you survived the bomb the Nuclear Winter would finish everything off anyway.

We came through that and will come through this. Kids are often understandably the most pessimistic of all people.
 
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Locals want a say.

Climate scientist Darcy Peter is Gwich’in Athabascan and hails from the Yukon River village of Beaver, Alaska, population 25.

There, she says, “The concept of a grocery store is overwhelming.” She laments that climate change threatens the village’s subsistence economy. “The Yukon’s channels are changing like crazy” as its banks erode, and a major source of sustenance—king salmon—is dwindling.

But Peter, who studies greenhouse gases and permafrost thaw at the Woodwell Climate Research Center in Falmouth, Massachusetts, is just as dismayed that to many colleagues studying Arctic warming, its impact on Indigenous Alaskans is often “out of sight, out of mind”—despite a recently launched U.S. National Science Foundation (NSF) initiative meant to change that.

The Navigating the New Arctic (NNA) initiative handed out its first round of grants totaling $37.5 million in October 2019, doubling the amount NSF spends on Arctic research. It aims to improve understanding of Arctic change, but also encourages scientists to enlist Indigenous communities in the “coproduction of knowledge” by involving them in planning and executing projects. ...

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/202...ly_2020-09-09&et_rid=394299689&et_cid=3476359
 
An interesting interview/discussion.

Jared Diamond on the Global Climate Crisis and the Case for Hope
The Author of Upheaval in Conversation with Anders Dunker
By Anders Dunker
December 18, 2020

In The Third Chimpanzee: Human Evolution and Prominence (1991), Diamond examines our close kinship with higher-ranking monkeys and how small genetic variations can make a huge difference. Man’s dominion over Earth and our destructive inclinations are an important subtopic pointing to subsequent books. In Diamond’s best-known work, Guns, Germs and Steel (1997), he uses a global long-term perspective and examines the human relationship to the environment as one of the most important keys to understanding which peoples and cultures came to characterize and dominate the world, and who succeeded in competition with other cultures.

In Diamond’s models, random and particular geographical conditions work together with universal principles of cultural growth, communication, and proliferation. The interaction between the environment and culture is also the theme of his later book Collapse (2005). In The World Until Yesterday (2012), Diamond discusses what the modern world can learn from traditional societies, starting with hunter-gatherer communities. The crisis as a phenomenon and challenge is the theme of Diamond’s latest book, Upheaval: Turning Points for Nations in Crisis (2019). ...

https://lithub.com/jared-diamond-on-the-global-climate-crisis-and-the-case-for-hope/
 
A UK priest has sewn his mouth shut to protest climate change denial by Murdoch media.
Priest sews his mouth shut over 'muting of climate science by Murdoch media'

A priest has sewn his lips together to protest against the “suppression” of climate science in Rupert Murdoch's media outlets.

Reverend Tim Hewes, 71, carried out the symbolic act outside News UK’s office in Central London yesterday. It's home to the UK arm of Murdoch’s global news empire, News Corps.

In a video released on YouTube, Hewes calls Murdoch a “climate change denier, dissembler and delayer” and says the media mogul has influence over governments which has led to a lack of meaningful action on the climate crisis. ...

Hewes is no stranger to climate action, having been jailed in March 2020 for 14 days for glueing himself to furniture at the City of London Magistrates' Court as part of the same protest group.
FULL STORY (With Photos): https://www.euronews.com/green/2021...muting-of-climate-science-by-mainstream-media
 
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It has been reported the Emperor Penguins, are dying in the Antarctic because the cute, fluffy, baby feather penguins can not swim until they lose their fluff.

But as the ice melts, the cute babies fall into the water and drown.

This planet earth Is screwed.
 
The UN has issues CODE RED for planet earth for heat.

There is now a 50 year heat wave every 10 years.

Humanity will suffer as the planet”s temperature to go up another 1.5 C by 2040.
 
Many of the wildfires often linked to global warming/climate change are reported to be started deliberately.
This is just a selection of reports from the past few days but there are dozens and dozens of similar reports available online.
I wonder why these people do it? What motivates them? Are they all going to prosper in some way, maybe from insurance??
Beats me.

"A Greek police spokesman, Apostolos Skrekas, said 10 people, including a 71-year-old man in the Peloponnesean region of Messinia, had been arrested on suspicion of arson; a further nine were being questioned"
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...k-island-evia-wildfires-raze-forest-and-homes

"Algerian state TV said the blazes were "enormous and started deliberately"."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-58160938

"...there have also been reports of fires being started deliberately, with three people arrested in Greece last week on suspicion of starting blazes."
"...fires hitting southern Italy and the large islands of Sicily and Sardinia, though arson is understood to have been a contributory cause."

https://metro.co.uk/2021/08/09/gree...they-happening-and-what-caused-them-15060860/

"A 50-year-old farmer has been arrested after hidden cameras caught him deliberately staring a fire in the Italian countryside.
The cameras were positioned following scientific analysis of the triggering points of recent fires in the Sannio Valley in the Campania region."

https://news.sky.com/story/italian-...erately-starting-fire-in-countryside-12376611

"California criminal justice professor, 47, is arrested for arson spree...
A criminal justice professor who reportedly suffered from split personality was arrested for starting a series of fires near the devastating Dixie Fire in California that nearly ravaged an entire town.
Gary Stephan Maynard, 47, is accused of deliberately starting the Ranch Fire..."

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...r-accused-starting-fires-near-Dixie-Fire.html

 
A criminal justice professor with a split personality which commits arson? I want the movie rights.

I could imagine some of the arson might be about clearing land for development. Once that pesky forest is gone, the land might no longer be under enviromental protection.
 
It must be the same people who leave their taps running that cause the rising sea levels too.
 
Many of the wildfires often linked to global warming/climate change are reported to be started deliberately.
This is just a selection of reports from the past few days but there are dozens and dozens of similar reports available online.
I wonder why these people do it? What motivates them? Are they all going to prosper in some way, maybe from insurance??
Beats me.

"A Greek police spokesman, Apostolos Skrekas, said 10 people, including a 71-year-old man in the Peloponnesean region of Messinia, had been arrested on suspicion of arson; a further nine were being questioned"
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...k-island-evia-wildfires-raze-forest-and-homes

"Algerian state TV said the blazes were "enormous and started deliberately"."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-58160938

"...there have also been reports of fires being started deliberately, with three people arrested in Greece last week on suspicion of starting blazes."
"...fires hitting southern Italy and the large islands of Sicily and Sardinia, though arson is understood to have been a contributory cause."

https://metro.co.uk/2021/08/09/gree...they-happening-and-what-caused-them-15060860/

"A 50-year-old farmer has been arrested after hidden cameras caught him deliberately staring a fire in the Italian countryside.
The cameras were positioned following scientific analysis of the triggering points of recent fires in the Sannio Valley in the Campania region."

https://news.sky.com/story/italian-...erately-starting-fire-in-countryside-12376611

"California criminal justice professor, 47, is arrested for arson spree...
A criminal justice professor who reportedly suffered from split personality was arrested for starting a series of fires near the devastating Dixie Fire in California that nearly ravaged an entire town.
Gary Stephan Maynard, 47, is accused of deliberately starting the Ranch Fire..."

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...r-accused-starting-fires-near-Dixie-Fire.html


You do know that the tinder dry conditions created by climate change are responsible for all these fires raging out of control, don't you?
 
I wasn't commenting on the 'tinder dry conditions', merely the fact that there are wildfires being attributed to climate change when some are caused by people starting fires deliberately, and questioning their motives, as per the title of this thread 'human reactions and responses'.
As far as I'm aware a lot of these places are hot, dry places anyway and have often had summer wildfires. I don't have a full historical record to hand so can't support that notion with hard science, but it's a fair bet. And in fact I recall seeing programmes of a 'David Attenborough' type, in which the filming points out the necessity of fires to encourage regrowth, with some species of trees/plants depending on it.
Traditionally these arid farmlands depend on fires to clear the land and turn waste plant material into ash more readily absorbed into the soil when it rains, much like here in the UK when we get the managed 'stubble burns' in the summer, but these are becoming less common it seems.
 
Wildfires are certainly a "thing" historically, but the huge, rapidly growing prevalence of them over recent years, and the way they are actually burning through hundreds of homes, is certainly not a "thing". OK, it is now...
 
Wildfires are certainly a "thing" historically, but the huge, rapidly growing prevalence of them over recent years, and the way they are actually burning through hundreds of homes, is certainly not a "thing". OK, it is now...


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Forest Fires Aren’t at Historic Highs in the United States. Not Even Close​

California’s wildfires are a serious matter, but the official record of the United States shows forest fires in the US today are far below the annual average in the 1930s and 1940s.

https://fee.org/articles/forest-fires-aren-t-at-historic-highs-in-the-united-states-not-even-close/

maximus otter
 
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Forest Fires Aren’t at Historic Highs in the United States. Not Even Close​

California’s wildfires are a serious matter, but the official record of the United States shows forest fires in the US today are far below the annual average in the 1930s and 1940s.

https://fee.org/articles/forest-fires-aren-t-at-historic-highs-in-the-united-states-not-even-close/

maximus otter

You might try living in a country that has the risk of wildfires to see the effort put into preventing them.

Public education via "Smokey Bear" didn't arrive until 1944 in the US. Fire suppression as a concept really didn't start kicking in until the 1930s. Planes, chemical treatment, smokejumpers, etc were non-existent in the 1920s.

Controlled burns were laughed at during the beginning of the 20th century. Practised by the Native Americans, (who were mocked for this practice), for hundreds of years it took decades to become part of normal fire prevention.

Firefighters attending a fire 1920's.

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Firefighting today

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Bitcoin Billionaire to Reverse Climate Change by Cloning Wooly Mammoths

https://fortune.com/2021/09/13/bitcoin-billionaires-winklevoss-twins-woolly-mammoth/

Ummm . . . if I read this correctly, the idea is to reverse climate change by cloning wooly mammoths, setting them grazing on the tundra (which is already melting), and so returning the land to its primordial state. What am I missing here? Because this strikes me as a crack-brained idea.

"Gee, what can we do with all this money we've got? Ooo! Ooo! I know! I want a MAMMOTH! Nobody has a MAMMOTH!! That would be super cool!"

"But all the mammoths are dead, son. You'd have to use advanced genetic engineering to recreate one, sort of like Jurassic Park, and you remember how that turned out. Raises all kinds of knotty ethical problems. You'd get a lot of push-back and bad PR."

"Hmm, yeah, you're right. But how could we spin it to make it look like a GOOD thing? . . . . . Ooo! I know! We'll pitch it as a solution to climate change! Everyone will LOVE it!!"


Aeschylus was right: "A prosperous fool is a grievous burden."
 
Bitcoin Billionaire to Reverse Climate Change by Cloning Wooly Mammoths
We now have a thread about this proposed project ...

Woolly Mammoths Hybrids “In 6 Years”
https://forums.forteana.org/index.php?threads/woolly-mammoths-hybrids-“in-6-years”.68755/
 
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Some powerful speeches at the COP 26 summit today, notably by David Attenborough, Prince Charles and the Barbadian Prime Minister Mia Mottley - who called out those, including the leader of the world's worst polluter, who couldn't be arsed to attend.
I wonder how the COP 26 is being reported in China?
 
Boris Johnson gave a explosive speech at Glasgow, Scotland’s environment talks.

He said we are James Bond, and we must stop the Doomsday Bomb from going off.

Boris said we are out of time.
 
I care, but is this the natural way of the earth.

I have read the earth has gone through warm and cold cycles.

And the junk that goes into the air when a volcano goes off.

Is any of this controllable ?
 
TV News had a real sad report how 5 years of drought has destroyed Madagascar due to climate change.

So many people dying.
 
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