Global Warming & Climate Change: The Phenomenon

[kamalktk]

Thunderstorms Have Caused $45 Billion in Damages in the U.S. in Just Six Months​

Damage from high-frequency storms is rising faster than losses from major disasters such as hurricanes and wildfires
https://www.scientificamerican.com/...45-billion-in-damages-in-the-u-s-in-just-six/

And soon enough Florida will become near uninhabitable, as hardly anyone will be able to afford to live there due to the cost of homeowners insurance due to insurance companies needing to cover the cost of storm damage.

https://www.bankrate.com/insurance/homeowners-insurance/florida-homeowners-insurance-crisis/

 

[Sharon Hill]

And soon enough Florida will become near uninhabitable, as hardly anyone will be able to afford to live there due to the cost of homeowners insurance due to insurance companies needing to cover the cost of storm damage.

https://www.bankrate.com/insurance/homeowners-insurance/florida-homeowners-insurance-crisis/

Florida, to me, is a hellscape for multiple reasons. I cannot understand why people want to live or even visit there outside of perhaps January-March.

 

[Analogue Boy]

Probably because it’s not Chicago.

 

[Floyd]

Florida, to me, is a hellscape for multiple reasons. I cannot understand why people want to live or even visit there outside of perhaps January-March.

There's one reason I'd go;

 

[Yithian]

Florida, to me, is a hellscape for multiple reasons. I cannot understand why people want to live or even visit there outside of perhaps January-March.

Retirement state, isn't it?

 

[Floyd]

Retirement state, isn't it?

Yes, snowbirds is what they call them there retirees from (often) New York/New Jersey.

Just think Maximus in Bournemouth in a few years time with his zimmer frame.

Or now, actually.

 

[Sharon Hill]

Retirement state, isn't it?

Yes. Because of taxes, I think. And no snow. But I don’t get It. If you are elderly, you have a harder time evacuating from hurricanes, and dealing with the oppressive heat, and outrageous insurance rates. It’s all around unpleasant to my standards.

 

[charliebrown]

Scientists are pondering what the warming stratosphere over the Antarctic means.

This is away from the norm.

 

[Ascalon]

Has Ireland got warmer?
Yes, it most certainly has.
Irish Times report based on Met Office data:

"Has Ireland become warmer?
Ireland has undoubtedly become warmer. Data from the 30 Year Climate Averages can be visualised in the storymap below. This data compares two consecutive 30-year periods (1961-1990 and 1991-2020) showing that annual mean air temperature has increased by approximately 0.7 degrees in Ireland. The ‘Averages’ are the mean or average values of a climate variable (like temperature) over a standard reference period. Periods of 30 years are taken following international practice, as mandated by the World Meteorological Organisation."

Ireland is currently developing a national strategy to knit a large jumper for the country that it can later take off, if it gets too warm.*





*No, it isn't.

 

[Cochise]

So what do we do about global cooling? August and 50F . Bloody freezing. Maybe we should pump more CO2 out? It would help with stopping the spread of deserts as well - low CO2 = low growth of green plants.

Maybe the 70's climate scientists had it right - we are heading back into another wave of the last ice age.

 

[Mythopoeika]

So what do we do about global cooling? August and 50F . Bloody freezing. Maybe we should pump more CO2 out? It would help with stopping the spread of deserts as well - low CO2 = low growth of green plants.

Maybe the 70's climate scientists had it right - we are heading back into another wave of the last ice age.

It was pretty cold this morning, yes.
I'd heard that Milankovitch's theory of cyclic glacial periods indicates that a new ice age should be happening now or very soon.
So... maybe we are just about fending it off with our CO2?
The 70s climate scientists weren't grifting like the ones today. It could be that they gave an honest assessment of what could happen. We'll find out in the fullness of time.

 

[Sharon Hill]

So what do we do about global cooling? August and 50F . Bloody freezing. Maybe we should pump more CO2 out? It would help with stopping the spread of deserts as well - low CO2 = low growth of green plants.

Maybe the 70's climate scientists had it right - we are heading back into another wave of the last ice age.

Weather is not climate.
Weather is not climate.
Weather is not climate.
and so on….

 

[Cochise]

Weather is not climate.
Weather is not climate.
Weather is not climate.
and so on….

I didn't say it was.

I said that maybe the 1970's climate scientists had it right. Modern climate scientists seem only to be working off the last 150 years or so of records - back in the 70's they were working off geological indications which tell us a) that the planet is normally warmer than it is now and b) that we may not be out of the last ice age. UK records alone tell us we have been in and out of the last ice age for 700,000 years - not a long time by geological standards.

https://www.historyfiles.co.uk/FeaturesBritain/PrehistoryMigration01.htm

 

[Ascalon]

So what do we do about global cooling? August and 50F . Bloody freezing. Maybe we should pump more CO2 out? It would help with stopping the spread of deserts as well - low CO2 = low growth of green plants.

Maybe the 70's climate scientists had it right - we are heading back into another wave of the last ice age.

More heat trapped leads to more energy in the atmosphere, leads to more potential extremes. For example, the fairly cold, wet and windy August we are having in Ireland currently is being attributed to the abnormal path of the jet stream which is pushing the Azores Highs we would normally get at this time of year further south and east, dragging more north Atlantic weather our way. Continental Europe bakes in 40+ heat while we struggle to stay in double figures. The amount of energy need to this is enormous. However, sea surface temperatures have been well above normal all year, driving air currents.

More heat means more energy which means wilder fluctuations and accentuation of the extremes. It does not just mean hotter.

A new ice age may not be on the cards, but disruption of the north atlantic overturning current could well see Ireland, or at least its Atlantic coasts experience its sea ice since the last ice age. Melt water from Greenland Ice sheets are already weakening this critical system.

Just as a cultural observation, I recently saw this magazine add that was prescient to say the least!

 

[Sharon Hill]

I didn't say it was.

I said that maybe the 1970's climate scientists had it right. Modern climate scientists seem only to be working off the last 150 years or so of records - back in the 70's they were working off geological indications which tell us a) that the planet is normally warmer than it is now and b) that we may not be out of the last ice age. UK records alone tell us we have been in and out of the last ice age for 700,000 years - not a long time by geological standards.

https://www.historyfiles.co.uk/FeaturesBritain/PrehistoryMigration01.htm

Science builds on what is known. So no one has discarded previous evidence but the evidence has indeed gotten better. There is NO QUESTION that the planet has warmed. There are multiple lines of independent evidence of that and to its cause. It's frustrating to see any reference to a cool day or a bad winter suggested to mean that scientists have global warming wrong. If a large volcano blows and effects the atmosphere, we could get a period of dramatic cooling. But that does not mean that the overall warming trend stops due to human causes.

 

[Cochise]

Science builds on what is known. So no one has discarded previous evidence but the evidence has indeed gotten better. There is NO QUESTION that the planet has warmed. There are multiple lines of independent evidence of that and to its cause. It's frustrating to see any reference to a cool day or a bad winter suggested to mean that scientists have global warming wrong. If a large volcano blows and effects the atmosphere, we could get a period of dramatic cooling. But that does not mean that the overall warming trend stops due to human causes.

As indeed the planet should do, if it is to get back to it's normal state - that is the state it has been in for most of the millions of years we have geological evidence for. What annoys me is when one group of scientists ignores evidence from a different discipline, and when us terribly short lived humans imagine we control the planet.

 

[Cochise]

Anyway, in desperation I'm now watching baseball, one of the many thousands of ways we humans waste our time on the planet

 

[Analogue Boy]

Earlier this month the Met Office declared the hottest day of the year so far in the U.K. with the temperature reaching 34.8ºC in Cambridge. The Met Office claimed it was only the eleventh time since 1961 that the temperature had reached that level, with six of these occasions having been recorded in the last 10 years. Needless to say, missing from the account was a note that the station in Cambridge’s National Institute for Agricultural Botany (NIAB) is located just metres from a massive heat-generating electricity sub-station complex.

Electricity sub-stations give off so much heat into the surrounding atmosphere there are even plans to trap it for commercial use. The Cambridge station at Histon has recently benefitted from a £5 million upgrade including the installation of a third heat-pumping transformer. It is difficult to think of a worse place to locate an instrument to accurately measure nearby uncorrupted air temperatures, other than favoured Met sites at international airports and solar farms.

https://dailysceptic.org/2024/08/20...ssive Heat-Generating Electricity Sub-Station.

Heat corruptions caused by electricity sub-stations can be found at other locations used by theMet Office. Ray has also drawn our attention to the ‘notorious’ Bingley No 2 site, in use since 1972.

 

[Ascalon]

Carbon emissions from forest soil will likely grow with rising temperatures​

The soils of northern forests are key reservoirs that help keep the carbon dioxide that trees inhale and use for photosynthesis from making it back into the atmosphere.

But a unique experiment led by Peter Reich of the University of Michigan is showing that, on a warming planet, more carbon is escaping the soil than is being added by plants.

“This is not good news because it suggests that, as the world warms, soils are going to give back some of their carbon to the atmosphere,” said Reich, director of the Institute for Global Change Biology at U-M.

“The big picture story is that losing more carbon is always going to be a bad thing for climate,” said Guopeng Liang, the lead author of the study published in Nature Geoscience. Liang was a postdoctoral researcher at the University of Minnesota during the study and is now a postdoctoral researcher at Yale University and an exchange fellow at the Institute for Global Change Biology.

By understanding how rising temperatures affect the flow of carbon into and out of soils, scientists can better understand and forecast changes in our planet’s climate. Forests, for their part, store roughly 40% of the Earth’s soil carbon.

Via University of Michigan

 

[Analogue Boy]

Plants need co2.

 

[hunck]

https://dailysceptic.org/2024/08/20/met-office-records-hottest-day-of-the-year-at-a-weather-station-next-to-a-massive-heat-generating-electricity-sub-station/?highlight=M et Office Records Hottest Day of the Year at a Weather Station Next to a Massive Heat-Generating Electricity Sub-Station.

Dailysceptic is a blog run by one Toby Young - a ‘man with opinions’ & a sort of influencer with a Llibertarian stance. Personally I wouldn’t be going to him for accurate/balanced scientific journalism/knowledge.

Whether you think it’s OK/natural/nothing to be concerned about or not, there can be little doubt the Earth is warming as evidenced by ice melt pretty much worldwide - Arctic, Antarctic, Greenland, Alps, Andes & so on, plus temperature measurements taken elsewhere.

I don’t think doubts about the measurements taken in Cambridge have any impact in refuting this. Whether the measurement was accurate neither of us knows but as for casting doubt on global warming which is their aim, it’s pretty much a non-starter.

Curiously written article - every use of the is bolded, as well as some others.

 

[charliebrown]

Weathermen in Australia are concerned about the extreme heat as Australia slips into the end of winter.

Oodnadatta, Australia has been running 16 degrees hotter than normal as an example.

 

[RaM]

Don't think we have broken any records for heat up here in the NW but
would not be surprised if we had not broken records for rain.

 

[maximus otter]

https://dailysceptic.org/2024/08/20/met-office-records-hottest-day-of-the-year-at-a-weather-station-next-to-a-massive-heat-generating-electricity-sub-station/?highlight=M et Office Records Hottest Day of the Year at a Weather Station Next to a Massive Heat-Generating Electricity Sub-Station.

“Quibble two continues by looking at recording stations in the UK which are graded in one of categories 1-5, where 1 is the best. After a Freedom of Information inquiry last year Paul Homewood found that one of the sites often quoted as being the hottest of the day was in fact Category 4, which has a WMO uncertainty rating of up to 2deg C. He has reported many more examples.

Do not mutter too many harsh words about our increasingly unreliable Met Office. Over in the US they have realised parts of their network might have similar errors, so have selected the higher quality stations in the US Climate Reference Network (USCRN). This ‘is a properly sited (away from human influences and infrastructure) and state-of-the-art weather network consisting of 114 stations in the USA.’ The website provides users with interactive graphs of average temperature anomalies from 2005. Not one month shows any sign of warming.”

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk...perature-1488-years-ago-to-100th-of-a-degree/

maximus otter

 

[Ascalon]

 

[hunck]

“Quibble two continues by looking at recording stations in the UK which are graded in one of categories 1-5, where 1 is the best. After a Freedom of Information inquiry last year Paul Homewood found that one of the sites often quoted as being the hottest of the day was in fact Category 4, which has a WMO uncertainty rating of up to 2deg C. He has reported many more examples.

Do not mutter too many harsh words about our increasingly unreliable Met Office. Over in the US they have realised parts of their network might have similar errors, so have selected the higher quality stations in the US Climate Reference Network (USCRN). This ‘is a properly sited (away from human influences and infrastructure) and state-of-the-art weather network consisting of 114 stations in the USA.’ The website provides users with interactive graphs of average temperature anomalies from 2005. Not one month shows any sign of warming.”

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk...perature-1488-years-ago-to-100th-of-a-degree/

maximus otter

Still reading conservativewoman for your climate information? Each to their own.

I'd refer you to my post above ~2811 but you won’t see it.

 

[kamalktk]

“Quibble two continues by looking at recording stations in the UK which are graded in one of categories 1-5, where 1 is the best. After a Freedom of Information inquiry last year Paul Homewood found that one of the sites often quoted as being the hottest of the day was in fact Category 4, which has a WMO uncertainty rating of up to 2deg C. He has reported many more examples.

Do not mutter too many harsh words about our increasingly unreliable Met Office. Over in the US they have realised parts of their network might have similar errors, so have selected the higher quality stations in the US Climate Reference Network (USCRN). This ‘is a properly sited (away from human influences and infrastructure) and state-of-the-art weather network consisting of 114 stations in the USA.’ The website provides users with interactive graphs of average temperature anomalies from 2005. Not one month shows any sign of warming.”

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk...perature-1488-years-ago-to-100th-of-a-degree/

maximus otter

By this reference to temperature gague locations, it is impossible for the people of a galaxy far far away to measure the temperature of Coruscant, as the entire planet is one big city, and thus any temperature sensors are invalidated due to their placement....

 

[ramonmercado]

What's causing the cool

For a few months this summer, a large strip of Atlantic Ocean along the equator cooled at record speed. Though the cold patch is now warming its way back to normal, scientists are still baffled by what caused the dramatic cooling in the first place.

The anomalous cold patch, which is confined to a stretch of ocean spanning several degrees north and south of the equator, formed in early June following a monthslong streak of the warmest surface waters in more than 40 years. While that region is known to swing between cold and warm phases every few years, the rate at which it plunged from record high to low this time is "really unprecedented," Franz Tuchen, a postdoctoral research associate at the University of Miami in Florida who is tracking the event, told Live Science.

"We are still scratching our heads as to what's actually happening," Michael McPhaden, a senior scientist with the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) who oversees an array of buoys in the tropics that have been gathering real-time data of the cold patch, told Live Science. "It could be some transient feature that has developed from processes that we don't quite understand."

https://www.livescience.com/planet-...rd-speeds-and-scientists-can-t-figure-out-why

 

[kamalktk]

Phoenix, Arizona records it's hottest summer on record, averaging 37.16667 Celsius and beating the old record by over a degree Celcius.

https://www.azfamily.com/2024/09/03/phoenix-records-its-hottest-summer-record/

"Phoenix has had its hottest five summers in the last 11 years. Records from the National Weather Service go back nearly 130 years.

The average temperature in Phoenix for June, July and August was 98.9 degrees Fahrenheit, nearly two degrees warmer than the previous record set last year."

 

[charliebrown]

Australia’s Meteorological Department said Australia had its warmest winter on record.

This doesn’t seem normal for our world.