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Global Warming & Climate Change: The Phenomenon

"I have decided these fires aren't happening or not as bad as people are saying or started by people deliberately (ones not like me, obviously, I would never do that) or aren't caused by winds or the winds are wrong or the BBC is wrong about the winds or it is not caused by climate or there's no such thing as climate or or the there's only weather or maybe there isn't even such a thing as weather or whatever and I am just going to keep saying it, come to think of it I think LA might not even exist actually."
Hey pachuko...ya gotta spare bud?
 
It amazes me that people here think they’ve got a better handle on these fires from reading weather forecasts from 5000 miles away than people who are actually there on the ground such as firefighters.

Not to mention the numerous footage of high winds & their effect. But if you want to ignore those so be it.
No one is saying that.
And the BBC gets it's info from a weather station in Los Angeles so it's irrelevant how far away anyone is.
 
No one is saying that.
And the BBC gets it's info from a weather station in Los Angeles so it's irrelevant how far away anyone is.
So what are you saying? I think we’ve already established that many of these forecasts are not specifically targeted on the fire-affected areas but are more general/averaged for the vast LA area which comprises several different landscapes from flat urban sprawl to more hilly areas with canyons etc in which conditions are not the same.
 
"Los Angeles", not just the city specifically but all the neighboring cities with no physical border such as open land between them, such as Pacific Palisades (that burned) or Anaheim (home to Disneyland, is roughly 87,000 km2. For comparison, Greater London is 1,572 square kilometers...

In terms of elevation, LA ranges from 0m at the beach, to over 2,700m in the mountains.

In the winter, you can swim in your summer wear at the beach in the morning, and ski in freezing weather in the mountains after lunch, all while being in "LA".
 
Live weather data from the Palisades is live weather data from the Palisades. It's not covering an area of what ever size or at what ever elevation. It has nothing to do with the BBC or the Met Office. It is simply live data from the Palisades. Sorry if I sound rude, I don't mean to but what is so hard to understand?
 
Live weather data from the Palisades is live weather data from the Palisades. It's not covering an area of what ever size or at what ever elevation. It has nothing to do with the BBC or the Met Office. It is simply live data from the Palisades. Sorry if I sound rude, I don't mean to but what is so hard to understand?
The current weather for Pacific Palisades :

https://www.accuweather.com/en/us/p...tern-santa-monica-mountains-recreational-area


"* WINDS...Periods of northeast to east winds 20 to 30 mph with gusts to 50 mph."
 
The weather station for Pacific Pallisades is at LA international (KLAX) - 22 miles away.
 
The weather station for Pacific Pallisades is at LA international (KLAX) - 22 miles away.
I have had a serious interest in the weather for well over 50 years now. I've read many, many books, done numerous courses, some of which took years to complete, and even taken exams and so on.

I am now bowing out of anything to do with the LA wild fires.

It seems live weather data and forecasts from the actual area where the wild fires are isn't good enough for many on this forum. Data doesn't lie.

Just because an area looks rocky and as if it's in the mountains doesn't mean it's high up.
 
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I have had a serious interest in the weather for well over 50 years now.

I am now bowing out of anything to do with the LA wild fires.

It seems live weather data and forecasts from the actual area where the wild fires are isn't, are aren't, good enough for many on this forum.
The weather report for where I live Ross, is 45 kilometres away. when it rains at Parkes, which is where the weather station is, we get bugger-all, and when the temp is forecaste at Parkes for a pleasant 28 degrees, we will get 35 degrees. Micro climates mate. I would imagine Los Angeles is the same.
 
The weather report for where I live Ross, is 45 kilometres away. when it rains at Parkes, which is where the weather station is, we get bugger-all, and when the temp is forecaste at Parkes for a pleasant 28 degrees, we will get 35 degrees. Micro climates mate. I would imagine Los Angeles is the same.
Sorry mate. I do understand micro climates. Frost hollows, etc, are the same. It can be 8C here but a few miles away where there is a river it was 2C which happened a few days ago.

My point is, and this is my last post on this, that live weather data does not lie. I cannot stress that point enough. It's not hard to check out or mind boggling in it's complexity. Just go on the UK Met Office WOW website. It's simple to do but how many on this forum will do that?

There are also many, many other websites that provide live data as well. All give the same data. There were no high or hurricane force winds. How much evidence is needed?

In short, I give up. People and members on here will think what they want to. I am not criticising them and far from it. This is the nature of the world we now live in. Dis information now rules us and the masses accept that as truth.

Sorry again, those are my final, final words on the subject.
 
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Sorry mate. I do understand micro climates. Frost hollows, etc, are the same. It can be 8C here but a few miles away where there is a river it was 2C which happened a few days ago.

My point is, and this is my last post on this, that live weather data does not lie. I cannot stress that point enough. It's not hard to check out or mind boggling in it's complexity. Just go on the UK Met Office WOW website. It's simple to do but how many on this forum will do that?

There are also many, many other websites that provide live data as well. All give the same data. There were no high or hurricane force winds. How much evidence is needed?

In short, I give up. People and members on here will think what they want to. I am not criticising them and far from it. This is the nature of the world we now live in. Dis information now rules us.
Understood.
 
Sorry mate. I do understand micro climates. Frost hollows, etc, are the same. It can be 8C here but a few miles away where there is a river it was 2C which happened a few days ago.

My point is, and this is my last post on this, that live weather data does not lie. I cannot stress that point enough. It's not hard to check out or mind boggling in it's complexity. Just go on the UK Met Office WOW website. It's simple to do but how many on this forum will do that?

There are also many, many other websites that provide live data as well. All give the same data. There were no high or hurricane force winds. How much evidence is needed?

In short, I give up. People and members on here will think what they want to. I am not criticising them and far from it. This is the nature of the world we now live in. Dis information now rules us.
I literally have direct relatives living there in the affected areas who can step out their front door to tell me the weather. And I personally lived for 18 years in the affected area.

As I've posted, it can be 20C where I lived in LA, and 40C where my relatives lived, also in LA, at the same time. You can surf in shirts in the morning, and ski in freezing temps in the afternoon, all "in LA".
 
Frogspawn"provide useful data on how nature is responding to climate change"..

The first early sighting of frogspawn for a national survey was recorded in a garden pond in the Isles of Scilly, a wildlife trust has said.

The Freshwater Habitats Trust said the early record on 21 December 2024, submitted by Carole Cilia for the PondNet Spawn Survey, was soon followed by sightings in Cornwall and Devon.

Frogspawn are jelly-like frog eggs that appear at the edges of ponds and streams, and normally it is a sign spring has arrived, according to the National History Museum.

An ecologist from Cornwall who participated in the survey said the findings "provide useful data on how nature is responding to climate change".

Carole Cilia Frogspawn in a pond with some weed.
Carole Cilia
The survey's first recorded frogspawn sighting in the Isles of Scilly

The Freshwater Habitats Trust runs the UK survey to monitor amphibian breeding patterns and it said the data was "invaluable" for conservation efforts.

Carole Cilia, who recorded the first sighting, said: "We now have over 10 batches of spawn in our pond and at the weekend I saw two batches of spawn in a nearby wildlife pond. It was a bit later this year no doubt because of the cold winds we had here."

The early record from the Isles of Scilly was followed by another two sightings in Cornwall, one in a pond near Jacobstow on 28 December, and another in a ditch in the Camel Valley on 5 January, as well as a sighting on 1 January in Bideford, Devon.

Nature lover Dougy Wright told the BBC he had seen frogspawn on the Lizard in Cornwall in October for the last five years.

The volunteer warden at the Windmill Farm nature reserve said his latest sighting on 25 October 2024 was followed by tadpoles in mid December and the discovery had now been reported to the trust.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c7vde74v024o
 
But the Isle of Scilly have long been known to be relativley frost free.

Look at Tresco Abbey Gardens.
 
Summit cross also lost.

Part of a Swiss mountain's summit has collapsed, sending more than 3.5 million cubic feet (100,000 cubic meters) of rock crashing into the valley below. The incident was likely a result of thawing permafrost — and scientists have warned similar events are to be expected as climate change causes ancient frozen ground to degrade.

The incident occurred on June 11 after an extensive period of high temperatures in the country. Videos reveal the sudden collapse of Fluchthorn's summit, an almost 11,155-foot (3,400 meters) mountain in the Silvretta Alps, on the border of Switzerland and Austria.

"Half of the summit was torn away by the demolition," mountain rescuer Riccardo Mizio told Austrian newspaper Kronen Zeitung (translated), adding the summit cross — a Christian cross marking the peak of a mountain — was missing. No one was injured by the rockfall.

https://www.livescience.com/planet-...eak-frozen-for-thousands-of-years-to-collapse

Keep a keen eye looking upwards around Mont-Blanc.

The Little Ice Age was a period of significant cooling from the early 14th to mid-19th centuries, which saw mean temperatures across the northern hemisphere drop by up to 2°C and the advancement of glaciers.

Such icy conditions had a marked imprint on the landscape and continue to the present day. New research, published in Earth and Planetary Science Letters, has considered how the Mont-Blanc massif in France has responded to changing environmental conditions since the termination of the Little Ice Age in the 1850s.

To explore this, Dr. Léa Courtial-Manent of France's Université Savoie Mont Blanc and colleagues investigated the long-term erosion trends of the mountain range through the history of rockfall events. Sharing a personal connection to the research, Dr. Courtial-Manent lives in a region surrounded by mountains and so became invested in understanding the degradation of the landscape as a result of climate change.

"Our research focuses on understanding how the climate crisis impacts mountain erosion by studying rockfall events in the Mont-Blanc massif. By analyzing the effects of permafrost degradation and freeze-thaw cycles on rock stability, we show that erosion rates are accelerating, which has significant implications for the safety of mountain enthusiasts and professionals, infrastructure and economies," Dr. Courtial-Manent explains the significance of the work.

The scientists used cosmogenic nuclide data from material transported on the glacier surface (supraglacial load) to measure concentrations of the isotope beryllium-10 (10Be) which reflects the duration of exposure of rock fragments to cosmic rays, indicating the time the rock remained stationary before falling. ...

https://phys.org/news/2025-01-rockfall-frequency-french-mountains-ice.html
 
You're never going to believe who had a global campaign to hack climate activists

/ok, yes you will.

https://www.npr.org/2025/01/24/nx-s1-5271530/hacking-investigation-climate-change
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A yearslong U.S. Justice Department investigation of a global hacking campaign that targeted prominent American climate activists took a turn in a London court this week amid an allegation that the hacking was ordered by a lobbying firm working for ExxonMobil. Both the lobbying firm and ExxonMobil have denied any awareness of or involvement with alleged hacking.

The hacking was allegedly commissioned by a Washington, D.C., lobbying firm, according to a lawyer representing the U.S. government. The firm, in turn, was allegedly working on behalf of one of the world's largest oil and gas companies, based in Texas, that wanted to discredit groups and individuals involved in climate litigation, according to the lawyer for the U.S. government. In court documents, the Justice Department does not name either company.

As part of its probe, the U.S. is trying to extradite an Israeli private investigator named Amit Forlit from the United Kingdom for allegedly orchestrating the hacking campaign. A lawyer for Forlit claimed in a court filing that the hacking operation her client is accused of leading "is alleged to have been commissioned by DCI Group, a lobbying firm representing ExxonMobil, one of the world's largest fossil fuel companies."
 
Frozen forest emerges from tundra,

A melting ice patch in the Rocky Mountains uncovered an ancient forest, and these trees have stories to tell about dynamic landscapes and climate change.

A whitebark pine subfossil revealed beneath a melting ice patch in the Yellowstone region.

Long-frozen whitebark pines emerge from a melting ice patch in the Yellowstone region. (Image credit: Daniel Stahle, Montana State University)

Melting ice high up in the Rocky Mountains has revealed an impeccably preserved forest, frozen in time for thousands of years.

Beartooth Plateau, which sits at an altitude of over 10,000 feet (3,000 meters), is a barren, tundra-like landscape. But it hasn't always been that way; an ancient forest lies beneath layers of ice.

Cooling temperatures about 5,500 years ago quickly encased this whitebark pine (Pinus albicaulis) forest in ice, preserving the trees in nearly perfect condition. Now, as ice patches frozen for millennia melt due to climate change, researchers are finding clues about what this ancient landscape was once like, and how it was preserved. They detailed their findings Dec. 30, 2024, in the journal PNAS.

https://www.livescience.com/planet-...-frozen-in-time-discovered-in-rocky-mountains
 
There is unusual warm air flowing into the Arctic making the normal stable Polar Vortex very distorted.

This sets up a high pressure on top of California and a low pressure underneath California.

The pressure differential causes the strong “ Santa Ana “ winds.

This is an example of climate change and a melting Arctic.

All of this could be catastrophic for the Gulf Stream which could be catastrophic for the UK.

No Gulf Stream means a frozen UK and north west Europe.
A few scientists say that the gulf stream is nothing to do with it - or very little to do with it - and that it is the Rocky mountains that stop us being as cold as other places on the same latitude.
 
A few scientists say that the gulf stream is nothing to do with it - or very little to do with it - and that it is the Rocky mountains that stop us being as cold as other places on the same latitude.

that's interesting. Where is us in this case? California or NW Europe?
 
Wait, the Rocky Mountains in the western US are keeping the UK warmer than typical?
 
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