Global Warming & Climate Change

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There's so much climate modification going on as it is that I don't think anyone as a real clue
as to whats really going on.
 

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Global Warming or Bad Data? Garbage in...

Climate science has always suffered from the problem of shaky and missing data. Modern recording weather stations date only to the early 20th century.

And many of those stations have a big problem. While they haven’t changed appreciably over the years, the land around them has changed, often profoundly, with the great growth in urban and suburban areas. The weather station that was put, say, in the middle of a Nassau County, Long Island, potato field in 1923 is still in the same spot. But the potatoes are long gone, and now it’s behind a strip mall, twenty feet from the kitchen exhaust fan of a Chinese take-out joint.

A study by meteorologist Anthony Watts found that almost 90 percent of the 1221 weather stations in the U.S. did not meet the National Weather Service’s setting standards, which requires that they be at least 100 feet from any artificial heat source or radiating surface. You can see some of the most egregious violators here. To deal with this defective information, climate scientists, have “adjusted” the data to solve this problem. Invariably, these adjustments have made earlier data show lower temperatures, and recent data show higher ones.

To develop reliable data, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) placed 114 state-of-the-art weather stations relatively evenly spaced about the lower 48 states. They were carefully sited to be away from urban areas, which are heat islands, airports, which can be affected by jet exhaust, etc.

The system became operative in 2005. Now, realclearenergy.com is reporting that there has been no increase in average temperatures in the continental United States over the last 14 years, as measured by these new stations. If anything, overall temperatures are slightly cooler than they were.

https://www.commentarymagazine.com/politics-ideas/climate-global-warming-data-locations/

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The effects on an Andean peak that was sketched by Humboldt.

... In the end, Humboldt spun his defeat on Chimborazo into a triumph that cemented his reputation as the era's superstar scientist and explorer—and his legacy. Not long after his descent from the mountain, he sketched a spectacular diagram that used the slopes of Chimborazo to depict a concept that had crystallized during his climb: that climate is an organizing principle of life, shaping the distinct communities of plants and animals found at different altitudes and latitudes. The diagram—Humboldt called it his Tableau Physique—has become what one recent paper described as "an iconic milestone, almost a foundation myth, in the history of ecology."

Today, the idea born on Chimborazo—that the physical environment shapes life's grand patterns—is giving scientists an intellectual framework for understanding a phenomenon Humboldt himself could not have anticipated: how human-driven climate change is transforming life.

Tropical mountains are ideal stages for watching climate change unfold. They compress many climates into a small space, as Humboldt wrote in his Essay on the Geography of Plants: "On this steep surface climbing from the ocean level to the perpetual snows, various climates follow one another and are superimposed, so to speak." Now, global warming is quickly reshuffling those montane climates. And few peaks record the impact of human-driven climate change more vividly than Chimborazo itself. The massive volcano, which last erupted 1500 years ago, rises just 1° south of the equator. On the peak's eastern slopes, moisture from the Amazon Basin next door—plus temperatures that rarely drop below freezing except at the highest elevations—nurture grassland, bogs, and springy cushions of moss and dwarf alpine plants, all highly sensitive to climate change. Below the summit sprawl 17 small glaciers, bellwethers of global warming and a crucial water source for tens of thousands of people living at lower elevations. ...

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019/09/global-warming-has-made-iconic-andean-peak-unrecognizable
 

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We could stop supporting their economies, but I suspect its mostly internal trade.

Or encourage them to change, but thats too tidy.

Anyway, we are too much in love with cheap tat
 

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'Debunking Climate Change Myths'

Presently ambivalent, if others and myself still find the following to be compelling...

Bottom line - Why not?

 
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Mph.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grey_Owl

Here is an environmental messenger for you.

Old timers remember him, including our Queen, and interestingly David and Richard Attenborough.

(His writing is well worth reading, but he is not exactly a reliable narrator, and as I said once, he is a Wendigo).
 
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Climate change brings mosquitoes and Dengue.

KATHMANDU, Nepal — When mosquito season brought past dengue outbreaks to regions across the Asian tropics, Nepal hardly had to worry. The high-altitude Himalayan country was typically too chilly for the disease-carrying insects to live. But with climate change opening new paths for the viral disease, Nepal is now reeling from an unprecedented outbreak.

At least 9,000 people — from 65 of Nepal’s 77 districts — have been diagnosed with dengue since August, including six patients who have died, according to government health data.

“We have never had an outbreak like this before,” says Dr. Basu Dev Pandey, director of the Sukraraj Tropical and Infectious Diseases Hospital in the nation’s capital, Kathmandu. With dozens of people lined up for blood testing on September 26 at the nearby fever clinic, set up this year to handle the outbreak, Pandey continues: “People are afraid.”

https://www.sciencenews.org/article...tm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Latest_Headlines
 

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Is India one of the worst polluters per capita though?
That's irrelevant.
It's down to national governments to determine policies and decide whether to build more high-polluting power stations or go down a more eco-friendly route.
It's therefore vastly more important for governments representing populations of billions to be "greener" than more sparsely populated states.
 

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On topic - anyone who gets the world talking about the climate crisis - regardless of their age, background, mental condition or fallibility - deserves a round of applause and, if not that, then at the very least respect.
What climate crisis? You mean the coming ice age?
 
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What climate crisis? You mean the coming ice age?
https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

At this stage, climate change denial is about as intellectually serious as flat-earthism.

The idea that the powers that be stand to make money off the green movement is also absurd: if it was a moneymaker, the world would already be significantly greener.
 

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You can still make money off things that are useless. Healing crystals are profitable without making the world any healthier.
 

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https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

At this stage, climate change denial is about as intellectually serious as flat-earthism.

The idea that the powers that be stand to make money off the green movement is also absurd: if it was a moneymaker, the world would already be significantly greener.
I never said anything about the PTB's. I don't deny climate change. I deny man-made climate change as the overriding factor. It's not a debate I'm prepared to enter on here though. Fact is, neither I nor anyone else knows what the climate will be doing in 25 years time. That is _knows_, not guesses.
 

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Last night, Andrew Neil took Extinction Rebellion spokesman Zion Lights to task over her organisation’s alarmist claims and anti-scientific arguments.


Lights was taken to task over the Extinction Rebellion claim that “billions of people will die over the next few decades”, eventually admitting that what they were saying did not fall within the scientific mainstream and disclosing that “unfortunately alarmist language works.”

When Neil posed the reality that in order to achieve Extinction Rebellion’s six year target, all flying would have to come to an end; all cars would have to be confiscated; meat would have to be rationed by the state; and all gas boilers and cookers would have to be removed from every home; Lights did not deny it, merely responding with the platitudinous comparison “we put a man on the moon.”

https://order-order.com/2019/10/10/extinction-rebellion-finally-subjected-media-scrutiny/

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For all the noise and fury the planet itself will have the last say. I honestly don't think this discussion serves any useful purpose. i'm the last one to shut down debate, but these kind of discussions require 10,000 words or none.
 

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Last night, Andrew Neil took Extinction Rebellion spokesman Zion Lights to task over her organisation’s alarmist claims and anti-scientific arguments.


Lights was taken to task over the Extinction Rebellion claim that “billions of people will die over the next few decades”, eventually admitting that what they were saying did not fall within the scientific mainstream and disclosing that “unfortunately alarmist language works.”

When Neil posed the reality that in order to achieve Extinction Rebellion’s six year target, all flying would have to come to an end; all cars would have to be confiscated; meat would have to be rationed by the state; and all gas boilers and cookers would have to be removed from every home; Lights did not deny it, merely responding with the platitudinous comparison “we put a man on the moon.”

https://order-order.com/2019/10/10/extinction-rebellion-finally-subjected-media-scrutiny/

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So... they just flat-out lied? What a surprise. Didn't see that one coming!
 

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We need to stop the tat, our lives would be so much better for it.

Going to car boots, I see far too much soul destroying junk. (But worthwhile stuff too)

And to stop throwing away useful stuff. I find no end of good stuff checked out. Half my clothes these days.
 

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Kondoru,

Sadly those sentiments (which I share) are not in fashion.

It may even become illegal to repair stuff in the future. You will be impeding the march of technology.

Mind you, if, like me, you have no intention to change your smartphone every year, the manufactures will make damn sure that it becomes incompatible wit the latest systems.
 

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It's not about impeding technology it's about impeding profit.

I agree on not throwing out useful stuff, we live in an age of waste, most humans for most our species' existence had vanishingly few possessions compared to us. "It is preoccupation with possessions, more than anything else, that prevents us from living freely and nobly" - Bertrand Russell.

Reduce, reuse, recycle: the trouble is there's not much money to be made from the first two of those and less to be made from the third than from churning out shit.
 

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It's not about impeding technology it's about impeding profit.

I agree on not throwing out useful stuff, we live in an age of waste, most humans for most our species' existence had vanishingly few possessions compared to us. "It is preoccupation with possessions, more than anything else, that prevents us from living freely and nobly" - Bertrand Russell.

Reduce, reuse, recycle: the trouble is there's not much money to be made from the first two of those and less to be made from the third than from churning out shit.
I will be happy with My nokia non-smart phone, my 1964 Rover and my 1998 Harley (basically designed in 1957)

Edit - just realised the Harley is 21 this month - Happy Birthday my Black Beauty :itslove::botp:
 
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