Mythopoeika
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Yes... if that happens, keep your distance. I hope that man's health didn't suffer.
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Over the 30 odd years I've known them my sami friends no longer use dogs to pull the sleds for practical stuff. The dogs pull the sleds becuase they enjoy having the "work" and dog sled racing is now a sport and prestige thing.
The do use reindeer to pull sleds.
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Fortea Morgana :) PeteByrdie certificated Princess
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I just couldn't in all coinscience ride something on the public highway which is so skittery and unbalanced. Is he a really bad rider? every time one hand leaves the bars, the whole bike slews in the other direction. WTAF?
I mean, on private land with nobody else or with consenting adults I'd thrash it into next week. But not on public roads!
Mythopoeika
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Yes, that does seem odd.
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Utah's Great Salt Lake is predicted to be around 5 years away from becoming just the Great Salt. Then comes the arsenic dust clouds.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/06/us/great-salt-lake-disappearing-drought-climate/index.html
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Without a “dramatic increase” in inflow by 2024, experts warn the lake is set to disappear in the next five years.
“Its disappearance could cause immense damage to Utah’s public health, environment, and economy,” the authors wrote in the report. “The choices we make over the next few months will affect our state and ecosystems throughout the West for decades to come.”
The Great Salt Lake, plagued by excessive water use and a worsening climate crisis, has dropped to record-low levels two years in a row. The lake is now 19 feet below its natural average level and has entered “uncharted territory” after losing 73% of its water and exposing 60% of its lakebed, the report notes.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/06/us/great-salt-lake-disappearing-drought-climate/index.html
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Without a “dramatic increase” in inflow by 2024, experts warn the lake is set to disappear in the next five years.
“Its disappearance could cause immense damage to Utah’s public health, environment, and economy,” the authors wrote in the report. “The choices we make over the next few months will affect our state and ecosystems throughout the West for decades to come.”
The Great Salt Lake, plagued by excessive water use and a worsening climate crisis, has dropped to record-low levels two years in a row. The lake is now 19 feet below its natural average level and has entered “uncharted territory” after losing 73% of its water and exposing 60% of its lakebed, the report notes.
Mythopoeika
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It'd be a huge engineering feat at a high cost, but they could pump in sea water from the coast (yes, it's a long distance).
This would at least prevent the toxic dust clouds.
kamalktk
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The Pacific is around 1000km away, and there's a 4,000+ meter mountain range in between. Add in the lake itself being at 1.2km of altitude. It would be crazily ambitious and expensive to do, and wouldn't happen fast enough to prevent the lake from disappearing.
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It's not as though it happened overnight though.
The Great Salt Lake has been steadily decreasing for thousands of years.
(Farming in the area has used irrigation for decades, drawing water form the three rivers that supply it, so that won't have helped, but is far from the only reason it is drying up.)
What we now know as the Great Salt Lake started as Lake Bonneville, a predominantly freshwater lake that formed about 32,000 years ago, and at its greatest extent, covered about 20,000 square miles — almost a quarter of present-day Utah. Lake Bonneville reached depths of 1,000 feet, compared to about 33 feet today with a 13-foot average depth.
About 14,500 years ago, a breach in a sandstone wall in what is now Red Rock Pass, Idaho, resulted in the biggest flash flood this planet has ever known. Water poured through the breach at an estimated 159 million gallons per second, causing the lake to drop 350 feet in just a couple of weeks.
Only 500 years later, a series of severe droughts nearly eliminated Lake Bonneville altogether. Old shorelines and fossils left by the lake still can be found in the mountain ranges surrounding the Salt Lake Valley.
Today's Great Salt Lake formed around 11,000 years ago amid relatively stable weather conditions, evaporation and a flat landscape with no outlet. It is sustained by three tributary rivers — the Bear River, Weber River, and Jordan River — and several smaller streams.
Because it has no outlet, the lake is unable to discharge the incoming salt and other minerals, contributing to its high salinity and status as one of the saltiest waterbodies in the world.
https://wildlife.utah.gov/gslep/about/history.html
The Great Salt Lake has been steadily decreasing for thousands of years.
(Farming in the area has used irrigation for decades, drawing water form the three rivers that supply it, so that won't have helped, but is far from the only reason it is drying up.)
What we now know as the Great Salt Lake started as Lake Bonneville, a predominantly freshwater lake that formed about 32,000 years ago, and at its greatest extent, covered about 20,000 square miles — almost a quarter of present-day Utah. Lake Bonneville reached depths of 1,000 feet, compared to about 33 feet today with a 13-foot average depth.
About 14,500 years ago, a breach in a sandstone wall in what is now Red Rock Pass, Idaho, resulted in the biggest flash flood this planet has ever known. Water poured through the breach at an estimated 159 million gallons per second, causing the lake to drop 350 feet in just a couple of weeks.
Only 500 years later, a series of severe droughts nearly eliminated Lake Bonneville altogether. Old shorelines and fossils left by the lake still can be found in the mountain ranges surrounding the Salt Lake Valley.
Today's Great Salt Lake formed around 11,000 years ago amid relatively stable weather conditions, evaporation and a flat landscape with no outlet. It is sustained by three tributary rivers — the Bear River, Weber River, and Jordan River — and several smaller streams.
Because it has no outlet, the lake is unable to discharge the incoming salt and other minerals, contributing to its high salinity and status as one of the saltiest waterbodies in the world.
https://wildlife.utah.gov/gslep/about/history.html
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A Long Hot Summer.
Europe’s summer was the hottest in recorded history “by a clear margin”, with all countries across the entire continent bar one experiencing annual temperatures above the 30-year average.
Only Iceland saw temperatures below the 1991-2020 average, as the summer contributed to Europe’s second hottest-ever year. Data from the EU’s Copernicus Climate Change Service (C3S) show 2022 was cooler than 2020 by 0.3C, and marginally warmer than 2019, 2015 and 2014.
However, summer in Europe — when the continent was beset by extraordinary heatwaves, wildfires, and temperature records in many countries — was the warmest on record by a clear margin, with the previous warmest summer in 2021, Copernicus said.
Autumn was the third warmest on record, only beaten by 2020 and 2006, while winter temperatures in 2022 were about 1C above average, ranking amongst the 10 warmest. Only spring temperatures for Europe were below the average of 1991-2020.
The continent experienced its second warmest June ever recorded at about 1.6C above average and its warmest October recorded with temperatures nearly 2C above average.
Copernicus C3S deputy director Samantha Burgess, said: "2022 was yet another year of climate extremes across Europe and globally. These events highlight that we are already experiencing the devastating consequences of our warming world.
The latest 2022 Climate Highlights from C3S provides clear evidence that avoiding the worst consequences will require society to both urgently reduce carbon emissions and swiftly adapt to the changing climate.”
Last year marked the eighth year in a row of temperatures more than 1C above the pre-industrial level, the data show.
Globally, last year was the fifth hottest on record, but the margins between fourth and eighth are very tight, Copernicus said.
Firefighters work in front of flames during a wildfire in the Sierra de la Culebra in the Zamora Provence in Spain last June. Picture: Emilio Fraile/Europa Press via AP
The hottest years on record globally are 2016, 2020 and 2019 and 2017 respectively, it added.
Wildfires across Europe proved costly not just in monetary terms, but also regarding emissions.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41044928.html
Europe’s summer was the hottest in recorded history “by a clear margin”, with all countries across the entire continent bar one experiencing annual temperatures above the 30-year average.
Only Iceland saw temperatures below the 1991-2020 average, as the summer contributed to Europe’s second hottest-ever year. Data from the EU’s Copernicus Climate Change Service (C3S) show 2022 was cooler than 2020 by 0.3C, and marginally warmer than 2019, 2015 and 2014.
However, summer in Europe — when the continent was beset by extraordinary heatwaves, wildfires, and temperature records in many countries — was the warmest on record by a clear margin, with the previous warmest summer in 2021, Copernicus said.
Autumn was the third warmest on record, only beaten by 2020 and 2006, while winter temperatures in 2022 were about 1C above average, ranking amongst the 10 warmest. Only spring temperatures for Europe were below the average of 1991-2020.
The continent experienced its second warmest June ever recorded at about 1.6C above average and its warmest October recorded with temperatures nearly 2C above average.
Copernicus C3S deputy director Samantha Burgess, said: "2022 was yet another year of climate extremes across Europe and globally. These events highlight that we are already experiencing the devastating consequences of our warming world.
The latest 2022 Climate Highlights from C3S provides clear evidence that avoiding the worst consequences will require society to both urgently reduce carbon emissions and swiftly adapt to the changing climate.”
Last year marked the eighth year in a row of temperatures more than 1C above the pre-industrial level, the data show.
Globally, last year was the fifth hottest on record, but the margins between fourth and eighth are very tight, Copernicus said.
The hottest years on record globally are 2016, 2020 and 2019 and 2017 respectively, it added.
Wildfires across Europe proved costly not just in monetary terms, but also regarding emissions.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41044928.html
kesavaross
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Of course, they kept lots of records 'pre-industrial' for global temperatures.
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More good news. Are we getting our just deserts?
Increasingly tempestuous winds have been sweeping dust from Earth's deserts into our air at an increasing rate since the mid-1800s. New data suggests that this uptick has masked up to 8 percent of current global warming.
Using satellite data and ground measurements, researchers detected a steady increase in these microscopic airborne particles since 1850. Soil dust in ice cores, ocean sediments, and peat bogs shows the level of mineral dust in the atmosphere grew by around 55 percent over that time.
By scattering sunlight back into space and disrupting high-altitude clouds that can act like a blanket trapping warmer air below, these dust particles have an overall cooling effect, essentially masking the true extent of the current extra heat energy vibrating around our atmosphere.
Atmospheric physicist Jasper Kok from the University of California, Los Angeles, explains that this amount of dust would have decreased warming by about 0.1 degrees Fahrenheit. Without the dust, our current warming to date would be 2.3 degrees Fahrenheit (1.2 degrees Celsius).
"We show desert dust has increased, and most likely slightly counteracted greenhouse warming, which is missing from current climate models," says Kok. "The increased dust hasn't caused a whole lot of cooling – the climate models are still close – but our findings imply that greenhouse gases alone could cause even more climate warming than models currently predict." ...
https://www.sciencealert.com/the-true-extent-of-global-warming-has-been-hidden-scientists-warn
Increasingly tempestuous winds have been sweeping dust from Earth's deserts into our air at an increasing rate since the mid-1800s. New data suggests that this uptick has masked up to 8 percent of current global warming.
Using satellite data and ground measurements, researchers detected a steady increase in these microscopic airborne particles since 1850. Soil dust in ice cores, ocean sediments, and peat bogs shows the level of mineral dust in the atmosphere grew by around 55 percent over that time.
By scattering sunlight back into space and disrupting high-altitude clouds that can act like a blanket trapping warmer air below, these dust particles have an overall cooling effect, essentially masking the true extent of the current extra heat energy vibrating around our atmosphere.
Atmospheric physicist Jasper Kok from the University of California, Los Angeles, explains that this amount of dust would have decreased warming by about 0.1 degrees Fahrenheit. Without the dust, our current warming to date would be 2.3 degrees Fahrenheit (1.2 degrees Celsius).
"We show desert dust has increased, and most likely slightly counteracted greenhouse warming, which is missing from current climate models," says Kok. "The increased dust hasn't caused a whole lot of cooling – the climate models are still close – but our findings imply that greenhouse gases alone could cause even more climate warming than models currently predict." ...
https://www.sciencealert.com/the-true-extent-of-global-warming-has-been-hidden-scientists-warn
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Every cloud has a silver lining - hopefully.
The drenching storms that hit California in recent weeks represented a long-sought opportunity for Helen Dahlke, a groundwater hydrologist at the University of California, Davis. Dahlke has been studying ways to recharge the state’s severely depleted groundwater by diverting swollen rivers into orchards and fields and letting the water seep deep into aquifers. But carrying out such plans requires heavy precipitation—which had been scarce.
This week, however, water managers began to turn theory into practice. In the Tulare Irrigation District, which supplies water to more than 200 farms south of Fresno, officials started diverting water from the San Joaquin River into 70 fields as well as specially constructed ponds. Each day, some 1.5 million cubic meters of water—roughly equivalent to 600 Olympic-size swimming pools—has been pouring onto the landscape. “We are in full [groundwater] recharge mode,” Aaron Fukuda, the district’s general manager, wrote in an email. Similar flooding is underway in the Madera Irrigation District north of Fresno.
Over the past decade, Dahlke’s experiments with submerging small plots have suggested intentional flooding can replenish aquifers without damaging either groundwater quality or crops. But she says bureaucratic hurdles and organizational inertia have blocked widespread use of the practice—despite state laws and policies designed to encourage it. ...
https://www.science.org/content/art...s-help-recharge-depleted-groundwater-supplies
The drenching storms that hit California in recent weeks represented a long-sought opportunity for Helen Dahlke, a groundwater hydrologist at the University of California, Davis. Dahlke has been studying ways to recharge the state’s severely depleted groundwater by diverting swollen rivers into orchards and fields and letting the water seep deep into aquifers. But carrying out such plans requires heavy precipitation—which had been scarce.
This week, however, water managers began to turn theory into practice. In the Tulare Irrigation District, which supplies water to more than 200 farms south of Fresno, officials started diverting water from the San Joaquin River into 70 fields as well as specially constructed ponds. Each day, some 1.5 million cubic meters of water—roughly equivalent to 600 Olympic-size swimming pools—has been pouring onto the landscape. “We are in full [groundwater] recharge mode,” Aaron Fukuda, the district’s general manager, wrote in an email. Similar flooding is underway in the Madera Irrigation District north of Fresno.
Over the past decade, Dahlke’s experiments with submerging small plots have suggested intentional flooding can replenish aquifers without damaging either groundwater quality or crops. But she says bureaucratic hurdles and organizational inertia have blocked widespread use of the practice—despite state laws and policies designed to encourage it. ...
https://www.science.org/content/art...s-help-recharge-depleted-groundwater-supplies
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Another night last night of tornado warnings making several times this year the southern states have been damaged by severe thunderstorms or tornadoes.
Last night Little Rock, Arkansas was ripped apart by a tornado that traveled 80 miles on the ground.
The traditional “ Tornado Alley “ has moved from the Kansas plains area to the Deep South.
The theory is that climate change has warmed the Gulf of Mexico too warm and hot, moist, unstable air spreads across the southern states.
It gets really scary at times around here.
Last night Little Rock, Arkansas was ripped apart by a tornado that traveled 80 miles on the ground.
The traditional “ Tornado Alley “ has moved from the Kansas plains area to the Deep South.
The theory is that climate change has warmed the Gulf of Mexico too warm and hot, moist, unstable air spreads across the southern states.
It gets really scary at times around here.
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French bakers claim that the cost of electricity has gotten out of control that this is forcing the French bakers out of business.
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I guess they'll have to start to using their loaf's?
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That makes uncomfortable sense C.B., and travelling for eighty miles in contact with the Earth is unusual?
Keep safe Mate.
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Thanks Mungoman,
Tornado’s usually stay on the ground for 5 to 10 minutes but are extremely unpredictable and can turn into “ long track “ tornados and go for miles.
It all has to do with how much warm air is rising from the ground and a strong twisting jet stream above the warm air.
It was never like this when I was growing up in this area.
Tornado’s usually stay on the ground for 5 to 10 minutes but are extremely unpredictable and can turn into “ long track “ tornados and go for miles.
It all has to do with how much warm air is rising from the ground and a strong twisting jet stream above the warm air.
It was never like this when I was growing up in this area.
Lord Lucan
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Oh crumbs.
They have to earn a crust somehow.
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Ireland could freeze!
However, the Irish Ocean Climate and Ecosystem Status Report 2023, published on Thursday by the Marine Institute, confirms that Ireland will not escape other consequences of a warming planet.
Among the key findings are sea level rises of between 2-3mm per annum since the 1990s; a rise of about 0.5 degrees in sea surface temperatures on Ireland’s north coast over the past 10 years; increased acidification of surface waters and year-round presence of harmful algal species – probably due mostly to increased temperatures caused by human-induced climate change.
Ireland is likely to see larger cold blooded fish species move north towards polar regions, while smaller Mediterranean species such as the anchovy will be found increasingly in our waters, it finds.
The Gulf Stream, a strong ocean current that brings warm water from the Gulf of Mexico into the Atlantic Ocean, is predicted to decrease by 30 per cent into the future, with a low risk it will collapse completely, said report co-author Dr Gerard McCarthy of the ICARUS research facility at Maynooth University.
Also known as the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation (Amoc), he said it disappeared before, in the last ice age – some 14,000 years ago – which saw glaciers return to Ireland. There is already evidence of its weakening, with Irish surface waters cooling in recent years after peaking in 2007. “Understanding how this is changing is a key research priority,” said Dr McCarthy, who underlined that “we have unique climate risks often tangled up with the Atlantic”. ...
https://www.irishtimes.com/environm...-gulf-stream-weakens-while-wider-world-warms/
Ireland to face cooling as Gulf Stream weakens, Marine Institute warns
Unlike many parts of the world enduring rising temperatures due to climate change, Ireland is likely to experience cooling arising from sustained weakening of the Gulf Stream that normally gives the country its temperate climate, according to a new report.However, the Irish Ocean Climate and Ecosystem Status Report 2023, published on Thursday by the Marine Institute, confirms that Ireland will not escape other consequences of a warming planet.
Among the key findings are sea level rises of between 2-3mm per annum since the 1990s; a rise of about 0.5 degrees in sea surface temperatures on Ireland’s north coast over the past 10 years; increased acidification of surface waters and year-round presence of harmful algal species – probably due mostly to increased temperatures caused by human-induced climate change.
Ireland is likely to see larger cold blooded fish species move north towards polar regions, while smaller Mediterranean species such as the anchovy will be found increasingly in our waters, it finds.
The Gulf Stream, a strong ocean current that brings warm water from the Gulf of Mexico into the Atlantic Ocean, is predicted to decrease by 30 per cent into the future, with a low risk it will collapse completely, said report co-author Dr Gerard McCarthy of the ICARUS research facility at Maynooth University.
Also known as the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation (Amoc), he said it disappeared before, in the last ice age – some 14,000 years ago – which saw glaciers return to Ireland. There is already evidence of its weakening, with Irish surface waters cooling in recent years after peaking in 2007. “Understanding how this is changing is a key research priority,” said Dr McCarthy, who underlined that “we have unique climate risks often tangled up with the Atlantic”. ...
https://www.irishtimes.com/environm...-gulf-stream-weakens-while-wider-world-warms/
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Ottmar Edenhofer, co-chair of the IPCC's Working Group III, and lead author of the IPCC's Fourth Assessment Report released in 2007:
“But one must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the world's wealth by climate policy. Obviously, the owners of coal and oil will not be enthusiastic about this. One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore…”
https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/n...-admits-we-redistribute-worlds-wealth-climate
maximus otter
“But one must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the world's wealth by climate policy. Obviously, the owners of coal and oil will not be enthusiastic about this. One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore…”
https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/n...-admits-we-redistribute-worlds-wealth-climate
maximus otter
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Shocker.
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Who is this 'we'?
And as far as I'm concerned, Climate change is a reality. Whereas this redistribution of wealth is more like a very select few playing a global game of Monopoly.
I expect that Ottmar Edenhofer does not own any coal and oil. Just guessing.
In other news, after work, him and his colleagues went to play football in the park and, half way through, Ottmar picked up his ball and went home with it.
Mythopoeika
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Dr Patrick Moore on the environment and the anti-CO2 craze: