Gnomes In Little Red Cars? (Wollaton Park Gnomes; 1979)

One answer to this is that when FT ran this board the editorial team used to push any IHTM that didn't make the magazine onto these forums (@stu neville mentioned this on a podcast). I suppose Facebook, Mumsnet and Reddit have diverted potential posters, too. I feel the decline of pub culture has played a part with people spending less time chatting with other member sou the community and sharing experiences that is in turn a trigger to share their experience further abroad. Then perhaps a major factor is that most of us trust the internet a lot less than less we did at the turn of the century due to trolling and identity theft etc.

On a more positive note I have noticed how when a researcher gets active in a particular area the suddenly then Fortean tales spring forth, for example see the work of @RuthRoperWylde, Paul Sinclair (Yorkshire ) and Nick Redfern (Cannock Chase0 and more recently the Uncanny podcast had listeners coming forward with experiences that had never shared before. Also, if you look back at the BUFORA journals a lot of what was being reported to their network of investigators was Fortean rather than actual UFOs (tree mists and vehicle interference, small/unusual humanoids interacting with children etc).
I will add another one to this: the decline in magazine sales. WHS used to have shelf loads of magazines on sale (alas no more) and so sales have declined and many UFO titles have folded. So fewer people picking up a copy of FT to read on a long journey or because the cover caught their eye and thus fewer people who might contact FT with their experiences (and nowadays google this forum).
 
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How could the stick man and his child be created on the park’s security camera ?
 
I think there is another one, too. Its seems that since the end of the Cold War and turn of the century those close encounters with landed UFOs (CE2) and also landed UFOs with humanoids (CE4) have dried up. In the past we had classic cases that involved adults and their children witnessing such things but nowadays I can't even find any CE2/CE3 cases in the murkier, Tic-tac UAP and Disclosure obsessed corners of the internet. There was the Phear Park case in 2010 (Exmouth) but very little else, just lots of CE1 'lights in the sky' reports.

Why I have no idea, but I suppose there is a strong argument that many such UFO reports were actually NATO aircraft seen in unusual circumstances/poor visibility. Or is the phenomena now manifesting in a different way, such as large, sleek big black cats and werewolves on Cannock Chase etc?

But there is no doubt that the paucity of CE2/CE3 reports has left a bit of a hole.
 
Its seems that since the end of the Cold War and turn of the century those close encounters with landed UFOs (CE2) and also landed UFOs with humanoids (CE4) have dried up.

The CE2s and CE4s began declining from about 1977 / 78, coincident with the first appearance in the data of 'abduction' experiences of the sort we're all familiar with, so it's not just connected to the end of the Cold War - although that has definitely been a factor.

The phenomenon has undoubtedly changed though, and this holds true even if we assume it comes from within. We have changed; our cultural cues, assumptions and collective life have changed, as has the store of archetypal imagery that forms the collective unconscious.
 
I think there is another one, too. Its seems that since the end of the Cold War and turn of the century those close encounters with landed UFOs (CE2) and also landed UFOs with humanoids (CE4) have dried up. In the past we had classic cases that involved adults and their children witnessing such things but nowadays I can't even find any CE2/CE3 cases in the murkier, Tic-tac UAP and Disclosure obsessed corners of the internet. There was the Phear Park case in 2010 (Exmouth) but very little else, just lots of CE1 'lights in the sky' reports.

Why I have no idea, but I suppose there is a strong argument that many such UFO reports were actually NATO aircraft seen in unusual circumstances/poor visibility. Or is the phenomena now manifesting in a different way, such as large, sleek big black cats and werewolves on Cannock Chase etc?

But there is no doubt that the paucity of CE2/CE3 reports has left a bit of a hole.
I have wondered about this too, and notice that our perception of weird phenomena seems to change as our culture shifts...similar to the concept of fairies having turned into aliens, etc. So perhaps the phenomena and our perceptions are perpetually dependent upon one another, intertwined somehow, which suggests that both perception (or consciousness, if you like) and weird 'beings' are pretty fluid and in constant flux. No idea if I am making sense here!

I've noticed a growing interest in glitches, time anomalies and the idea of a simulated universe. Most likely as a result of Reddit. Mumsnet....not a fan of the site myself, but have enjoyed the occasional Halloween creepy threads. The site doesn't really take an open minded stance on the Fortean, generally.

I do think people are much busier nowadays. I was watching a series last week set in the early 90's and noticed how sedate the everyday felt in comparison to now, with a lot less distractions and noise. Perhaps people aren't quite 'alone' enough, or pause for long enough, to soak things in, such as wandering about the house, chatting to friends, lying on our backs and staring at the sky, lol. I think I've mentioned this theory recently on another thread. In comparison to how busy the world has become, especially since the internet entered every facet of our lives, 30 yrs ago seems to have had so much more spare time available to notice our environment.
 
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I have wondered about this too, and notice that our perception of weird phenomena seems to change as our culture shifts...similar to the concept of fairies having turned into aliens, etc. So perhaps the phenomena and our perceptions are perpetually dependent upon one another, intertwined somehow, which suggests that both perception (or consciousness, if you like) and weird 'beings' are pretty fluid and in constant flux. No idea if I am making sense here!

I've noticed a growing interest in glitches, time anomalies and the idea of a simulated universe. Most likely as a result of Reddit. Mumsnet....not a fan of the site myself, but have enjoyed the occasional Halloween creepy threads. The site doesn't really take an open minded stance on the Fortean, generally.

I do think people are much busier nowadays. I was watching a series last week set in the early 90's and noticed how sedate the everyday felt in comparison to now, with a lot less distractions and noise. Perhaps people aren't quite 'alone' enough, or pause for long enough, to soak things in, such as wandering about the house, chatting to friends, lying on our backs and staring at the sky, lol. I think I've mentioned this theory recently on another thread. In comparison to how busy the world has become, especially since the internet entered every facet of our lives, 30 yrs ago seems to have had so much more spare time available to notice our environment.
Absolutely agree about people being much busier nowadays. My friends own a backpacker's hostel and it seems young people just aren't taking time out like they used as they are under so much pressure to do 'constructive' things during holidays that will impress universities and employers. When they do take time out they seem to favour AirBnBs and so aren't mixing socially like they used to. I heard that once Wifi took off the hostel went from a social place where guests cooked meals together, played guitar and board games etc to everyone sat glued to a laptop. Apparently this happened in the space of one year and they even contemplated turning the Wifi off to get everyone socialising again!
 
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I do think people are much busier nowadays. I was watching a series last week set in the early 90's and noticed how sedate the everyday felt in comparison to now, with a lot less distractions and noise. Perhaps people aren't quite 'alone' enough, or pause for long enough, to soak things in, such as wandering about the house, chatting to friends, lying on our backs and staring at the sky, lol. I think I've mentioned this theory recently on another thread. In comparison to how busy the world has become, especially since the internet entered every facet of our lives, 30 yrs ago seems to have had so much more spare time available to notice our environment.
Yesterday was in York Minster gardens waiting for husband whilst he went to have a hair cut and was people watching to pass the time (firmly putting my phone away). And it struck me how much people are living their lives at a remove now. Fair dos, I was sitting behind one of the most spectacular medieval structures in the world, and a massive tourist trap, on a nice summer's day so people are going to be photoing things. But it struck me how people were doing stuff like photoing themselves using a selfie stick with the Minster in the background, then not going into it, or going closer to look at it, but walking on, still glued to their phones.

Like, you've paid maybe hundreds even thousands to be here - why not, you know, be here? Everything only experienced secondhand via a lens. Everything documented for TikTok, Insta or FB (depending on age) yet not having actually been in the place properly, if that makes sense?

I only saw two tourists genuinely looking at stuff - two middle aged German women - whipped their phones out quickly to photo some leaves of all things, but then put them away and otherwise, were fascinated by the trees, going up to them, looking at them, talking about them. Everyone else, might as well have been watching a film of York Minster.

My kids actually used a TikTok account they made to fund them travelling all over Europe, watching their favourite team play, which is a constructive use of social media, I think. (They weren't making content when they travelled). But they made the content to fund doing the thing, then did the thing. I think this is less common now as people are so busy documenting their travel experiences they're not much in the moment, any more.

There's probably many factors playing in to why we're getting less fresh, firsthand accounts of phenomena. But it's maybe harder to share experiences now as the first question you'd get if you recounted a recent experience would be: "Why didn't you film it on your phone?"
 
Everything only experienced secondhand via a lens. Everything documented for TikTok, Insta or FB...

Spot on.

It seems to me that there are only about 50 people on Earth actually doing anything interesting; the rest are simply sitting, slack-jawed, watching those people's TwitFaceTik feeds, and jabbing the "Like" button like rats with brain electrodes demanding food pellets.

maximus otter
 
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Spot on.

It seems to me that there are only about 50 people on Earth actually doing anything interesting; the rest are simply sitting, slack-jawed, watching those people's TwitFaceTik feeds, and jabbing the "Like" button like rats with brain electrodes demanding food pellets.

maximus otter
[Jabs the Like button]
[Eats food pellets]
 
Yesterday was in York Minster gardens waiting for husband whilst he went to have a hair cut and was people watching to pass the time (firmly putting my phone away). And it struck me how much people are living their lives at a remove now. Fair dos, I was sitting behind one of the most spectacular medieval structures in the world, and a massive tourist trap, on a nice summer's day so people are going to be photoing things. But it struck me how people were doing stuff like photoing themselves using a selfie stick with the Minster in the background, then not going into it, or going closer to look at it, but walking on, still glued to their phones.

Like, you've paid maybe hundreds even thousands to be here - why not, you know, be here? Everything only experienced secondhand via a lens. Everything documented for TikTok, Insta or FB (depending on age) yet not having actually been in the place properly, if that makes sense?

I only saw two tourists genuinely looking at stuff - two middle aged German women - whipped their phones out quickly to photo some leaves of all things, but then put them away and otherwise, were fascinated by the trees, going up to them, looking at them, talking about them. Everyone else, might as well have been watching a film of York Minster.

My kids actually used a TikTok account they made to fund them travelling all over Europe, watching their favourite team play, which is a constructive use of social media, I think. (They weren't making content when they travelled). But they made the content to fund doing the thing, then did the thing. I think this is less common now as people are so busy documenting their travel experiences they're not much in the moment, any more.

There's probably many factors playing in to why we're getting less fresh, firsthand accounts of phenomena. But it's maybe harder to share experiences now as the first question you'd get if you recounted a recent experience would be: "Why didn't you film it on your phone?"
I notice this on trains. The journey from Exeter down into Cornwall by train boasts some pretty impressive scenery by any measure and at any time of year (provided the sun is out). From the Exe estuary down along the coast and then inland with sweeping views up to Dartmoor... I could go on. Yet I sit there and see young people in particular glued to the screens.
 
I notice this on trains. The journey from Exeter down into Cornwall by train boasts some pretty impressive scenery by any measure and at any time of year (provided the sun is out). From the Exe estuary down along the coast and then inland with sweeping views up to Dartmoor... I could go on. Yet I sit there and see young people in particular glued to the screens.
Haha yes yes to this! Most noticeable when traveling by train, which I do quite a bit these days.
I am more of a music listener when moving around than a phone reader. There is something interesting about it though, this sea of heads tilted downwards. Difficult to discuss without sounding pompous :D.....I do yoga at home sometimes and have begun to notice the new neck posture/hump in much younger people. Gonna need a foam roller to fix that! Then again, I do a lot of design work on an ipad pro so my own neck needs a bit of work.

Stick men of the future might start to look like this:

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It makes me wonder what people feel in the moment.
Just being there. Getting from A to B. Many will see the same scenery daily, but for some it will never get old. Some people will use their phone as a kind of barrier to anxiety or *elf consciousness, like the teenage girl who doesn't want to be pestered by the guy making too much eye contact in the opposite seat....and there will be many more examples.

I suppose there's also the possibility that we have come to expect to be constantly engaged or entertained (video's, games, social media, etc), so simply not doing anything, or just existing in the moment could feel overwhelming. And even though everyone seems to be the 'same', we are all so different and diverse, so there are going to be so many factors. I sometimes wonder if we are unlearning how to flow with our thoughts from moment to moment. Maybe we have developed a new social code where we have to perpetually appear to be engaged/busy/on to it, or else we're WEIRD, etc.

*Prefer to leave the typo just as it is! (self consciousness of course).
 
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I went through Penmere station today and it reminded me of the following which is one of my favourite railway ghosts:

Victorian Girls​


Location: Falmouth (Cornwall) - Penmere Station
Type: Haunting Manifestation
Date / Time: Mid 1990s, approximately 01:00h
Further Comments: While walking home, a witness heard loud, distorted music coming from the station. He went to investigate and encountered two girls dressed in Victorian clothing (but no source of the music). One pointed down the tracks, as if she wanted the witness to follow, but he decided to turn around and leave the site.

https://www.paranormaldatabase.com/reports/rail.php?pageNum_paradata=2&totalRows_paradata=1

The lad in the seat in front of me got off and was wearing over-ear Beats headphones like so many Yoof nowadays (and also old farts like myself) . So if he had been that witness would he even have heard the distorted music and gone to investigate? Probably not, would have walked on never knowing what was happening.

If we are not engaging all our senses then we better hope ghosts step out in front of us...
 
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I think that self-managed or social networking sites have begun to be the places where people disseminate Fortean events more than on specialized sites and much less in magazines on the subject.
Today we are inundated with videos or texts that tell the most unusual events but the protagonists remain under user names and therefore anonymity allows them greater freedoms and, on numerous occasions, false stories.
 
Mindfulness perhaps needs to be re learned.

I love photography, it slows me down and I see the world differently. It may be a raindrop on a leaf or the light on an architectural feature.

Demanding instant gratification and stimulation gives a serotonin boost with no other reward.
 
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Mindfulness perhaps needs to be re learned.

I love photography, it slows me down and I see the world differently. It may be a raindrop on a leaf or the light on an architectural feature.

Demanding instant gratification and stimulation gives a serotonin boost with no other reward.
Spot on, for me it is walking out in the countryside and along the old mining trails. I sometimes get overtaken by people out purely for exercise and good for them, but they are not engaging with their surroundings and wouldn't notice that lizard scamper across the footpath or the kestrel hovering above the scrub.
 
One answer to this is that when FT ran this board the editorial team used to push any IHTM that didn't make the magazine onto these forums (@stu neville mentioned this on a podcast).
Exactly that - they only ever had space for a page or two in the mag, four lengthy stories or so, but dozens of submissions. We didn't get every single one - a fair number would be actually very mundane, or nonsensical, or suspicious - but we'd get ten or twenty each month vectored into IHTM.
 
Referring back to the Gnomes - do I remember rightly that, when we discussed this before, it appeared that only ONE child actually 'saw' something in the swamp and started running, and all the other children started running too, but that it seemed to be almost a transmission of fear, with one person hastily recounting what they'd seen as a reason for running? Children are VERY susceptible to 'yes, yes, we all saw it!' when it transpires that only one person was in a position to have seen anything at all... mostly, I think, because nobody wants to say 'everyone else was running away so I ran away as well but I've got no idea why.'

I remember running with my friend in a park because she said she'd seen a flasher. I have no reason to doubt her, but I didn't see anything - I ran because she ran.
 
Referring back to the Gnomes - do I remember rightly that, when we discussed this before, it appeared that only ONE child actually 'saw' something in the swamp and started running, and all the other children started running too, but that it seemed to be almost a transmission of fear, with one person hastily recounting what they'd seen as a reason for running? Children are VERY susceptible to 'yes, yes, we all saw it!' when it transpires that only one person was in a position to have seen anything at all... mostly, I think, because nobody wants to say 'everyone else was running away so I ran away as well but I've got no idea why.'

I remember running with my friend in a park because she said she'd seen a flasher. I have no reason to doubt her, but I didn't see anything - I ran because she ran.

The key bit of the incident seems to have been that one of the kids fell in the 'swamp', and this may have been a catalyst for some kind of collective excitement of this type.

There is evidence of a 'tradition' of sorts of gnome encounters being passed round amongst children, eg the assertion that someone had previously seen a gnome during the summer holidays, so they may already have been excitedly speculating about gnomes before the gnomes 'appeared'.
 
The key bit of the incident seems to have been that one of the kids fell in the 'swamp', and this may have been a catalyst for some kind of collective excitement of this type.

There is evidence of a 'tradition' of sorts of gnome encounters being passed round amongst children, eg the assertion that someone had previously seen a gnome during the summer holidays, so they may already have been excitedly speculating about gnomes before the gnomes 'appeared'.
Children are very open to this kind of social contagion, I feel.
 
The key bit of the incident seems to have been that one of the kids fell in the 'swamp', and this may have been a catalyst for some kind of collective excitement of this type.

There is evidence of a 'tradition' of sorts of gnome encounters being passed round amongst children, eg the assertion that someone had previously seen a gnome during the summer holidays, so they may already have been excitedly speculating about gnomes before the gnomes 'appeared'.
This is the rational answer to all of this. But i still feel they witnessed something that triggered the whole gnomes in cars story, whether that was seeing golf buggies scooting around with their headlights on or a whirlwind that whipped up the leaves, maybe even bats fluttering around above the swamp.
 
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From what I read, Nottingham sitting on the City of Caves with people live in them going back a 1,000 years, and Wollaton Hall sitting on all its caves.

Wollaton Hall with its “ White Lady “ ghost that that walks the night, and the orange glow from room 19 where Lady Middleton died is very strange.

Going back to the video about the gnomes, what is puzzling is that the video states this is not the first time these kids have seen the gnomes which means they should have not been so frightened.

At the end of the video it states other sightings usually by young children.

So is there is a connection between children and gnomes ?

So, adults can’t see gnomes ?
 
This is the rational answer to all of this. But i still feel they witnessed something that triggered the whole gnomes in cars story, whether that was seeing golf buggies scooting around with their headlights on or a whirlwind that whipped up the leaves, maybe even bats fluttering around above the swamp.
I think what I was getting at was - how many actually saw something? It is far easier for one or two people to be mistaken about what they are looking at, than a whole crowd. From the reports I read, it appeared that one child was the catalyst.
 
I think what I was getting at was - how many actually saw something? It is far easier for one or two people to be mistaken about what they are looking at, than a whole crowd. From the reports I read, it appeared that one child was the catalyst.
I know that some ran away right at the beginning so they were clearly all in a heightened state. There is also a touch of Broad Haven school about it as the pictures they drew don't actually match the descriptions they give, for example the gnome in the car has his hat pointing though a gap in the roof of what is essentially a convertible but apparently the cars did have a roof with a weird triangular light on top*. Then one gnome is drawn standing up and not in a car but this isn't mentioned in the narrative

*does this peculiar feature match any 1970s sci-fi? I thought maybe those 'The Prisoner' jeeps but no, any other show?
 
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I had to read up on gnomes, but it seems these cave dwellers are afraid of light, as light turns the little guys to stone.

Gnomes are strictly nocturnal which makes Nottingham a great place with all its caves.

You will not see a gnome unless you are “ nature friendly “ and pure of heart like an innocent child.
 
I always think of Noddy and Big Ears... not an exact match, but it's the image I get in my head.

Given all the discussion around the potential influence of Noddy upon the "gnome" imagery here, it's interesting to remember that neither Noddy nor Big Ears were actually gnomes (the latter was a "brownie", while Noddy was a toy).
 
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