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Gravity Modification With Spinning High-Temp Superconductors

Well, it should be fairly easy to find it then.
Should be, but they seem to be impenetrable. Managed to get scrapings from one and had some exotic elements that the analyst said were used by Nasa for shuttle re-entry. The other couldn't be touched by the drill, tip showed no sign of wear.
 
If Taylor can't do it, he should move out of the way and let someone have a go who knows what they are doing. I am sick of seeing incompetence and failure presented as a 'mystery' on that show.
 
If Taylor can't do it, he should move out of the way and let someone have a go who knows what they are doing. I am sick of seeing incompetence and failure presented as a 'mystery' on that show.
It seems too often to be a matter of firing off a lot of rockets in the hope of getting a response! It may work sometimes but it is very much hit and miss. The real issue, it seems to me, is that if it was a purely scientific problem Travis's and Erik's approach would make sense, as they say, does a certain stimulus always elicit a certain response? But with clear evidence that there is an intelligence at the heart of the anomaly, that can monitor conversations at the command centre, it isn't a scientific problem, it is more of an Intelligence problem. That doesn't mean necessarily that Intelligence men would do any better, of course! Especially if that intelligence is way more advanced than our current level of thinking. But there are also things they could do with the data they have, e.g. the anomaly that forms above the triangle when a rocket is launched. Have they computed how fast that anomaly appears after firing the rocket? It does it almost as the rocket takes off! Is that something we could currently do?
 
I doubt there is any 'anomaly' there at all. The people at Metabunk analysed the data the Skinwalker crew showed on TV (which was fairly limited in detail) and it seems the 'anomaly' is just an artifact of their scanning equipment. Before I believe that there is an 'anomaly' in the air over this ranch I'd like to see the results replicated by people who know what they are doing and are not connected with the TV show.
 
I doubt there is any 'anomaly' there at all. The people at Metabunk analysed the data the Skinwalker crew showed on TV (which was fairly limited in detail) and it seems the 'anomaly' is just an artifact of their scanning equipment. Before I believe that there is an 'anomaly' in the air over this ranch I'd like to see the results replicated by people who know what they are doing and are not connected with the TV show.
Well, there have been a lot of scans and various sensors have been used, the main point being that the people doing the scanning are definitely top experts in their fields. People who like to debunk things will always find some reason to reject even totally valid data. In the case of the anomaly that appeared in a 2000fps recording there seems to be no reason to reject it that I can see. I am more interested in the lidar scan showing the black void in the triangle that could indicate a wormhole (the scan also ended up .25 of a sec out, something that the equipment should be unable to do. )
 
People who like to debunk things will always find some reason to reject even totally valid data.
If it is that important, they should publish the data in a peer-reviewed article. They can't do that because their data is nonsense and would never pass peer review.
 
Ttttt
Most time travel is explained away in fiction as being able to 'step outside' linear time (as Sids illustration shows) then re-insert the traveller into the stream.
There's never any explanation as to a) how to do this, or b) how to return to your correct point in the stream. Of course, this doesn't factor in the possible 'chronoclasms' i.e. messing with future time, and paradoxes.
And they usually totally ignore the fact that time relates to our own geography. For instance, travel back or travel forward - when you 're-insert' the country and the Earth will be in a different place in relation to the Sun, which in turn will be in a different place and so on ...
So travelling in time involves cosmology.
As a kid I saw The Time Machine movie (1960) in the theater and obsessed over the idea for months. What I couldn’t understand was: why didn’t Rod Taylor’s housekeeper or his dinner buddies go into his lab looking for him when he went missing? And if they did, wouldn’t they see him sitting stock still in his machine, apparently frozen in time? Because he was clearly still occupying the same space in his lab….
 
It isn't explained in the story, but I think that the unnamed Time Traveller in that movie (and in the book) would have only been a fraction as visible as anyone in normal time, so they might have been visible as a kind of ghost.

If the Traveller is moving rapidly into the future, he (and his machine, and his eyes, and his individual atoms) would only interact rarely with the environment, so he could see events as they unfolded (but observers would not be able to see him).

This doesn't explain why the Traveller and his machine didn't slip under the ground and end up at the centre of the Earth. If he was largely invisible he should have been largely intangible as well.
 
That was the other thing. At one point while he’s zipping into the future there’s some volcanic activity that buries him and his machine in lava. I wondered why he wouldn’t be encased entirely in rock and unable to move or breathe? And it’s surely a huge coincidence that the elevation of the ground hundreds of millennia in the future matches exactly the elevation of the ground floor of his house.

Sorry to derail the thread, back to other impossible technologies.
 
I recall a story (not the title) of someone who was able to teleport by force of mind. The longer the distance he travelled, the wider the 'shift' of the ground underneath his feet, making him stumble when 'jumping' over short distances. He ended up trotting as he teleported to counterbalance the ground under him on landing.
 
If it is that important, they should publish the data in a peer-reviewed article. They can't do that because their data is nonsense and would never pass peer review.
I think it will be many years before they can publish any data. Their data are not "nonsense" but they are complex, often can't be exactly replicated, and are as yet based on no explicit model. Take the recent experiment where they were throwing everything at the anomaly -- rockets, sounds, light displays, and an army of drones. When they tried to fire four rockets at once, two ignited, then the 3rd and 4th after delays. Most did not go straight up, they deviated away from the anomaly. The drones began to lose their power and they had to be brought back. Two UAPs were however videoed, one travelling in a more or less straight line across the mesa, and a second that split into four separate UAPs which then merged together again. And all these problems go back to my point that if an intelligence is involved, which can monitor and anticipate their actions, then it cannot be a pure physics issue. In physics you don't expect the things in your experiment to read your mind and deliberately mess up your results.
 
When they tried to fire four rockets at once, two ignited, then the 3rd and 4th after delays. Most did not go straight up, they deviated away from the anomaly.
More incompetence.
This is off topic for the gravity modification thread, but the 'wormhole' data is debunked by Mick West very efficiently in this post.
https://forums.forteana.org/index.p...er-skinwalker-ranch.6888/page-32#post-2276585
They were using the drone incorrectly, and a 'wormhole-like pattern' was unavoidable. They would have got the same pattern anywhere they tried it - which could have been demonstrated if they did a control flight.

I can only imagine that the Skinwalker people are deliberately presenting failures and bad data in order to perpetrate the mystery; a competent group of scientists with no connection to the TV show would not make these mistakes, and would almost certainly find nothing of interest.
 
Suppose you suggest a better experiment that could be run at the ranch. What would you do?
 
If they think that there is an anomaly at the mesa, they could try scanning the area with a drone using a rectangular search pattern at the height recommended in the manual. Instead they scanned in a circular pattern around a point, at a height which is too low, thus creating a datafree 'hole' directly under the drone, since the scanner can't reach there.

The same pattern would be created anywhere if they used the same scanning technique, which is why I suggested running a 'test' or 'control' scan elsewhere, to see if the wormhole pattern repeated itself. This is why replication is so important in science - sometimes you can pick up errors in the experimental procedure.
 
If they think that there is an anomaly at the mesa, they could try scanning the area with a drone using a rectangular search pattern at the height recommended in the manual. Instead they scanned in a circular pattern around a point, at a height which is too low, thus creating a datafree 'hole' directly under the drone, since the scanner can't reach there.

The same pattern would be created anywhere if they used the same scanning technique, which is why I suggested running a 'test' or 'control' scan elsewhere, to see if the wormhole pattern repeated itself. This is why replication is so important in science - sometimes you can pick up errors in the experimental procedure.
Well, that doesn't correspond to what happened at all. First of all, the operators of the drone and other surveillance gear were arguably the top experts in their field. They were Omnitec, an elite organisation of specialists in data collection, whose usual employer was the Department of Defense. (Most if not all had backgrounds in Intelligence). Initially the drone refused to move (normal for Skinwalker) during what was actually a very complex exercise, trying to scan the anomaly by using the Int. Space Station as it went over the ranch. It wasn't until the space station had completed its pass that any of the systems, including the drone, and Erik's equipment, came online again. The exact course of the drone was never stated, so far as I can tell it just went straight up and then down again, not directly over the anomaly, and no scanning in a circular pattern. At one point when a rocket was fired up at the anomaly, the lidar showed data points being moved aside by the flight of the rocket. It was only after concerted efforts to make sense of the data that the large black void and a circle of red light (indicative of high lidar reflectivity) surrounding it were revealed.

Arguably the lidar data may have been distorted by the effects of the ranch, and we don't know what techniques were used to recover it by the team.
 
As I understand it, the procedural mistakes were blatant and obvious. Both the black circle and red circle were completely caused by the scanning process, and would have been replicated if they followed the same procedure anywhere else.

If the Skinwalker ranch people were to publish their data (rather than showing a cherrypicked selection of the data on an entertainment TV show) we could find out where they went wrong. But they will never do that, because they want to maintain the mystery and get another series or two out of it.
 
As I understand it, the procedural mistakes were blatant and obvious. Both the black circle and red circle were completely caused by the scanning process, and would have been replicated if they followed the same procedure anywhere else.

If the Skinwalker ranch people were to publish their data (rather than showing a cherrypicked selection of the data on an entertainment TV show) we could find out where they went wrong. But they will never do that, because they want to maintain the mystery and get another series or two out of it.
Where did the person whose post you quoted (the link failed when I tried to view) get his info from? It is so much at odds with what was televised that it makes no sense. But it would be good if the team did put the original data online.
 
They were Omnitec, an elite organisation of specialists in data collection, whose usual employer was the Department of Defense.
A company with Brandon Fugal on its board of directors, so it cannot be trusted to be independent. Such bullshit.
 
The location of the drone was established by extrapolating the shadows of objects on the scan to show where they intersect. The drone was much too low to make a reliable scan, and it would be literally impossible for the drone to scan directly underneath it. This explains the black hole at the centre of the scan.
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Don't be fooled by the image of the wormhole shown in the programme; that was a computer-render of a wormhole-embedding diagram which has been superimposed onto the actual drone scan. In short it is an artist's impression, not an actual image
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To elaborate, an embedding diagram is a three-dimensional render of what a cross-section of a four-dimensional wormhole would look like. To make it even less realistic, we are looking at a two-dimensional image of the phenomenon. This image does not resemble in any way what an actual wormhole would look like in reality.
 
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A company with Brandon Fugal on its board of directors, so it cannot be trusted to be independent. Such bullshit.
Interesting, but are you really saying that the company would deliberately fake data?
 
The location of the drone was established by extrapolating the shadows of objects on the scan to show where they intersect. The drone was much too low to make a reliable scan, and it would be literally impossible for the drone to scan directly underneath it. This explains the black hole at the centre of the scan.
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Don't be fooled by the image of the wormhole shown in the programme; that was a computer-render of a wormhole-embedding diagram which has been superimposed onto the actual drone scan. In short it is an artist's impression, not an actual imageView attachment 71863.

To elaborate, an embedding diagram is a three-dimensional render of what a cross-section of a four-dimensional wormhole would look like. To make it even less realistic, we are looking at a two-dimensional image of the phenomenon. This image does not resemble in any way what an actual wormhole would look like in reality.
 
Interesting, but are you really saying that the company would deliberately fake data?
Fugal has also been involved in efforts to use archaeology to prove the truth of the history of the Latter Day Saints in pre-columbian America. It seems that truth and science occupy entirely different regions of the universe where he is concerned.

I doubt they are faking data, just misinterpreting it consistently.
 
I have difficulty with the idea that a drone cannot scan what is directly underneath it. In most videos I have seen of drone footage in other less controversial areas, they seem to be able to scan below themselves without a problem. If it was indeed directly over the anomaly as the shadows suggest I can see no reason why a scan wouldn't work. It was apparently in the intended position, then. In fact, if it was in a position where it couldn't see what was directly under it, why should the black area be so irregular? Surely it would have been a perfectly circular shape? (Yes, it was explained that the image of a wormhole was for illustrative purposes only.) I have also just noticed that when plotting other shadow lines around the anomaly not all do intersect the middle of the black area!

If Brandon was indeed on the board of directors of Omnitec, then it would have been natural to use them for this study. So he not only has contacts with specialised companies but also very high level intel people as well, and indeed personal relationships with top politicians. Clearly an interesting fellow. Whether or not the team are doing the right thing research-wise (and I wouldn't have subscribed to the "let's fire more rockets" research model) there are genuine mysteries not only at Skinwalker but in other ranches in the area. There is also evidence of secret Government facilities in some of those areas. Is there some secret operation in place linked to the von Braun claim about plans to weaponise space, and does Skinwalker factor into this in some way? More questions.
 
if it was in a position where it couldn't see what was directly under it, why should the black area be so irregular? Surely it would have been a perfectly circular shape?
The drone seems to have altered its height and three-dimensional location slightly during the scan, so the region of data loss was irregular in shape.

Incidentally a real wormhole would appear to be spherical in shape, and should have no irregularities (in fact a wormhole would be a hypersphere connecting two distant locations in space-time).
Exocentric-illustration-of-gravitational-light-deflection-in-the-Schwarzschild-spacetime.png

You would not need to use a drone to scan for such an anomaly - it would be right there, and easily visible by eye (and to the television camera).
 
The drone seems to have altered its height and three-dimensional location slightly during the scan, so the region of data loss was irregular in shape.

Incidentally a real wormhole would appear to be spherical in shape, and should have no irregularities (in fact a wormhole would be a hypersphere connecting two distant locations in space-time).
Exocentric-illustration-of-gravitational-light-deflection-in-the-Schwarzschild-spacetime.png

You would not need to use a drone to scan for such an anomaly - it would be right there, and easily visible by eye (and to the television camera).
Interesting. I've never been too keen on the wormhole notion. I see the anomaly more in terms of some invisible entity that is there all the time. I can see why the theory should appeal to people. I recall a time slip case where the witness saw something that sounds a bit like your picture.
 
Here's the time slip case:


HI All,Heres the time slip experience I had back in 1998/99 as requested on another thread.Basically.....I was coming home from work, worked at a lorry depot at the time, and was coming through Havant high street.As I walked past the church I became immediatley aware of what felt like a bubble ripple around the high street, at very high speed, and the high street changed. Many of the buildings looked similar although somewhat smarter and newer but the most striking thing was that the people that were walking the high street vanished and were replaced with a smaller selection of people dressed in Victorian attire.I particularly remember one gentleman and a lady walking some distance in front of me, but towards me. The man on the right, lady on the left. Lady wore a white dress that puffed out at the hips but not to massive level, just puffed out a little and she wore a hat, bonnett type. The man was dressed in a black suit, white shirt with darker collars and white cuffs on his suit jacked. He also wore a stove pipe hat, again with a white band around the base, and was flicking a black cane.Both were young rather than old and I remember them looking very happy....at least that was what the impression I got was.The whole event lasted no more than 10-15 seconds before everything returned, to what I can only call, normal speed. The whole event seemed to move much slower than normal if that makes sense although I felt I was moving at normal speed.Look forward to your thoughts
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