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Gray abductions in crowded places

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Has anyone read any material that documents someone being abducted from a room full of people or when the others present were'nt asleep?
 
I do remember one about a women who was "abducted" when in a car with two UFO researchers, the point they was being made was that alien abduction may be subjective rather than objective. I can't remember the name of the book it was in though (could be "Alien Base - Earth") but it also details telepathic contact with aliens disguised as humans. It had a story about a man in public place asking with mind wether aliens were present and a peculiar looking man coming and sitting next to him pretending to be reading a newspaper while observng him.
 
I remember the telepath story too. I am real interested in the abduction phenomina and wether or not there is any documentation regards to more than a handful of folks being there when the person is taken.

I also seem to remember a piece from a book somewhere about an abductee being taken from a party. He or she, can't remember now, said that everyone had just frozen and the Grays came right in and as they so often do, floated her and their good selves out of the window. Aparrently they didnt even have an invite!! Ha Ha.

I'd love to hear if anyone has heard of such stuff. Or if anyone reckons they have seen anything that looks like a Gray???
 
Apart from in every media outlet for about three or four years last decade, no!

Can't help wondering if there's something about the image of the gray that strikes in the subconcious really deeply: I know people totally uninterested in UFOlogy (poor unenlightened souls..) who still react with an odd fascination at well painted pictures of the little grey buggers (e.g. cover of "Communion": sorry to bring it up again, roach, but I can tell you've got issues here. So do I!!)
 
Issues...maybe, this is a dream I had when I was about 5.

I was sat outside my bedroom and my mam was just going down stairs. I looked in my room and peering round the wardrobe was a wolf with a really long snout. I shit my kecks!

I tired to scream for help but I couldn't move or make a sound. I seem to remember trying really hard but I couldn't do anything. That's all I remember.

Scared kid with over active imagination or poss scenario of abduction. Im trying to be rational so I'll go with the first one. What do you reckon?
 
roach - this is odd!

Check out "it Happened to Me", "dogheaded man" thread, link to Hexham Heads (contributed by yours truly - last post on thread).

Anyone else (apart from roach and I) reckon there's something seriously weird going on here regarding cross phenomena connections??
 
The Head's thing certainly opens an avenue that I had'nt really thought of before. The first thing that sprung to mind was a possible 'screen memory'. But Im probably just reading into stuff now!!
 
From reading through tons of abduction stories...

If people are abducted during the night when others are present then everyone else will be in a deep sleep to which the abductee can not wake them up no matter how frantically they try.

Whenever kids are abducted, or more frequently simply 'greeted' by aliens it normally happens during the night but if not then the garden is a common place for this to happen. Normally the child sees a craft and/or a being emerging to greet them. Afterwards though the parents claim not to have seen this happen even if they are close by.

Sometimes lifelong abductees claim to see craft hovering above cities or in places where a wide range of people would be expected to witness it but no one does.

This seems to indicate the increibly advance technology held by the 'greys'. They seem to be able to make themselves appear to individual people in crowded areas.

Roachford, thats a very interesting story. Do you know what book it was by any chance?
 
there was a case in america where a women was abducted from an apartment at night though a window and the whole thing was witnessed by policeman escorting someone important (statesman?) and other people if I remember correctly.
 
jima said:
there was a case in america where a women was abducted from an apartment at night though a window and the whole thing was witnessed by policeman escorting someone important (statesman?) and other people if I remember correctly.
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Yeah, they all witnessed it from a bridge in or around Washington i think. I'd love to get more info on that.
 
AdamRang said:
Roachford, thats a very interesting story. Do you know what book it was by any chance?
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Erk!! Er, probably like yourself, I have read such a large amount of stuff on the subject. May have been one of three:

Majestic - by W.Strieber

The Communion Letters - also by Mr Strieber

or Close Encounters of the Fourth Kind - by CDBryan

All very good books for totally eliminating the desire to sleep.

Roach
 
roachford said:
Yeah, they all witnessed it from a bridge in or around Washington i think. I'd love to get more info on that.
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Ahh, I seem to recall this story... wasn't it wittnessed by some international political leaders? Thats what immediatly made me sceptical. I beleive people were citing this case as the turning point in world goverment secrecy and UFO cover-up.
 
Yeah??

Well if that is the case, they seem to be keeping a low profile. And, I seem to recall that the 'Ofificial' who witnessed it would not come forward to make a statement about it etc, etc.

Hmmmmmmmm.

Actually, I am sat here flicking through the 'Close Enc of the 4th Kind' and its very, very briefly mentioned in it. Not even two line actually. Poor sods.
 
This event reputedly happened in New York, close by the Brooklyn (?) Bridge. I think John Mack discusses it in one of his books.
 
It's none other than the Linda Cortile (aka Napolitano) case, where the important witness was supposed to have been Javier Perez-DeCuelliar (think that's how you spell it..), the then Sec Gen of the UN.

This was Hopkins, Jacobs & Mack's exhibit A for ages (if memory serves) lots of links on Google (key - Linda Cortile) including this
 
Sometimes lifelong abductees claim to see craft hovering above cities or in places where a wide range of people would be expected to witness it but no one does.

This seems to indicate the increibly advance technology held by the 'greys'. They seem to be able to make themselves appear to individual people in crowded areas.
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...Or just that the abductee believes they are seeing things which actually aren't really there.


(Does Ocham still need that razor?)
 
Ghytio, given the circumstances I think Occam's razor indicates that alien abduction is the most likely explanation. I challenge anyone to argue against that.
 
I would, Adam.

To me, Occam's Razor would suggest these people are having a subjective experience, the nature of which is undetermined.

Alien abduction, genus loci, automatic subconcious reaction to an archetypal situation or "seeing things that aren't there" are all possibilities, but Occam's Razor is applied by removing all theories that evolve until you reach the kernal of undisputable actuality: in this case that people are having some kind of experience unwitnessed by others in their proximity.
 
Well... when we add in implants that have been extracted, hyppnosis sessions with abductees, remote viewing data of various abductors, reported sightings of unidentified craft simmaler to the ones reported by abductees, video and photographic footage of these craft both on Earth and above the earth from NASA live feeds, various reports of these craft by Astronaughts and various other evidence that I can't think of right now I can only conclude that aliens are indeed abducting poeple. Despite what poeple think that is a simple explanation without going to far.
 
No, because each of the above are in themselves of questionable authenticity: none of them has been definitively (to our knowledge at any rate) proved to be of alien origin.

Each factor of the contributing evidence previously mentioned has in itself to have Occam's Razor applied.

For example, remote viewers of alien craft: how do we know they are not subconciously regurgatating reports of other UFO's? If they are remote viewers they in all probability have a wider interest in the paranormal.

Ditto hypnotic regression of alleged abductees; the media saturation of the Gray image, X-files, etc, means anyone, with or without an interest in UFO's, will have at least abosrbed the image by osmosis. And besides, hypnosis is becoming more and more discredited as a means of garnering hard evidence (cf Ritual abuse survivors, etc)

Video footage etc of UFO's - seperate issue: UFO's themselves are an unknown quantity, and just because someone has a) seen a UFO and b) someone else has putatively been abducted does not mean that Person A's UFO abducted Person B. If this were a murder trial, with Person A seeing a car and Person B being a victim,the conclusion that the occupant of the car murdered person B wouldn't get past the CPS, let alone into a court room.

Implants: yes there are implants. To stray into X-Files territory, they could have been put there by the government: at least as valid a proposition as by grays.

Occam's Razor, as I said earlier, merely demonstrates that something has subjectively happened to these people: all hypotheses as to the nature of these occurences are just that, hypotheses, and as such holds equal vailidity.

I don't disbelieve anything, Adam: it might be alien abduction. But applying Occam's razor serves not to prove anything: merely to establish the baseline from which we can hypothesise accurately. Once a hypothesis is proven, Occam's razor is then applied to the theories that arise from the now established fact.

Stu
 
OK, I understand what your saying but I would have to dissagree with you with regards to the remote viewing data. Although its questionable in itself, I don't think remote viewers should be discounted because they may have an interest in the parnormal. A lot of remote viewers take take what they do very seriously and would like it to be an accepted technique and have absolutly no interest in the paranormal. If remote viewing is a real thing then naturally looking at aliens is one of the first thing remote viewers want to do.
 
Spoken like a gentleman!

Again, I'm not discounting remote viewing, merely saying it is in itself subject to Occam's Razor.

The pure definition of which, incidentally, isn't "the most straightforward explanation is usually the correct one", but that you cannot base a hypothesis on another, unproven, hypothesis: the razor pares away the supposition, leaving the facts behind.
 
If any one else mentions Occam's frigging razor I shall scream!

All it is is a suggestion - it has no logical or scientific justification. It is no guarantee of getting at the truth, but just leads one into the possibility of chucking out babies with the bath water. No one ever proved anything with it (how could they?) or discovered anything new.

Bloomin' Occam's Razor and Cats, that's all you ever get on this message board...

[mutter, mutter, mutter...]
 
AdamRang: please stop me if I stray off course here... ;)

What you're suggesting is that a distant extraterrestrial civilisation has crossed a truly mindblowing distance to Earth (ignoring the fact that the energy requirments to do so would make them visible from across several galaxies), to abduct people on a schedual more regular than a Stagecoach bus timetable. And they do this not to land on the White House lawn (or where-ever) to say "howdy", or even invade and enslave/eat us. But instead to probe people up the japside, fractionalise their brains and steam-clean their testicles!

You see it just doesn't make sense Adam. Why develop the technology required for Interstella Travel just to stick a prong up the rectums of a more primitive species? Surely there are far better applications. Either humanity has the most beautiful arseholes in the cosmos or there is no intelligent life in the universe!

Niles "Outlaw Fortean" Calder
(with a nod and a wink to Warren Ellis)
 
Blimey

Quite a little debate we have here. I cant help give creedence to what Stu is saying. There have been more cases of abduction, sightings and occurances disproved than there have proved to be real. This surely counts for something........I guess these aspects are what some peoples scepticism is based upon.

But.

I myself stauchly believe that something extremely frightening and strange is happening to people all over the world. Some people in area's that have had little or no contact with the western world are reporting the same abduction and UFO experiences. I remember reading an old report (I conveniently forget!! Ha Ha) compiled from areas such as The Congo, Ethiopia, Korea and I think it was Uzbekistan. Im not saying that these areas are cut off from modern day civilisation, but the background of the alledged abductees was tantamount in their credability.

I'll try and dig it out and post some of it on here. This fence I'm sitting on is quite uncomfortable, but for now it'll do.
 
Just a reminder folks - UFO is just an abbreviation that describes a strange phenomenon (or a set of several phenomena). It is not just another word for spacecraft.

Similarly, alien just means different, other, 'not one of us'.

Aliens do not have to be ET, and UFOs do not have to be flying saucers. So rubbishing UFO sightings by pointing out the difficulties of space travel may be completely missing the point.

The ET Hypothesis is worth considering, but it's only one theory within many. And flesh and blood aliens in nuts'n'bolts spaceships may well not be the most likely ETH in any case.
 
There's no doubt about it; the biggest question that faces ufology right now is "why?". Peaple seem to think too 'in the box'. Why would they travel billions of light years to shove probes up are arses? Try and think realistically. I advise you to read "Cosmic Voyage" by Courtney Brown (from the StarGate program). Its a compilation of various remote viewing data on the subject of UFO's. Even if its completely made up crap, it still provides an exelent theory which makes sence considering all the current data we have on the matter of UFO's.
 
Left me get this straight AdamRang. Your evidence of nuts and bolts ET's coming to Earth and buggering people is based upon the testimony of a bunch of people sitting in a room and saying that their psi-powers allow them to see them?

In that case I know a guy who'd like to sell you a bridge.

There's as much evidence for the reality of RV as there is for EBE's!

Try again.

Niles "Hard Audience" Calder
 
I never said they were nuts and bolts, I never said they buggerd people, I never said they had psi-powers, I simply told you to read the book. I understand if you don't but don't argue with me about RV and UFO's if you haven't.
 
Take it as said that I neither have the time nor inclaination to read an entire book on your say so, just so that we can discuss this topic. Nor, do I imagine, most of the people on the forum!

Give us a synopsis, I mean summerise... :)
 
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