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Scientists: Gulf Stream Is Slowing
Posted on Tuesday, May 10 @ 04:34:07 PDT by Intellpuke (20 reads)

Climate change researchers have detected the first signs of a slowdown in the Gulf Stream -- the mighty ocean current that keeps Britain and Europe from freezing. They have found that one of the “engines” driving the Gulf Stream -- the sinking of supercooled water in the Greenland Sea -- has weakened to less than a quarter of its former strength.


The weakening, apparently caused by global warming, could herald big changes in the current of the next few years or decades. Paradoxically, it could lead to Britain and northwestern Europe a sharp drop in temperatures.


Such a change has long been predicted by scientists but the new research is among the first to show clear experimental evidence of the phenomenon.


Peter Wadhams, professor of ocean physics at Cambridge University, hitched rides under the Arctic ice cap in Royal Navy submarines and used ships to take measurements across the Greenland Sea.


"Until recently we would find giant ‘chimneys’ in the sea where columns of cold, dense water were sinking from the surface to the seabed 3,000 meters below, but now they have almost disappeared,” he said. “As the water sank it was replaced by warm water flowing in from the south, which kept the circulation going. If that mechanism is slowing, it will mean less heat reaching Europe.”



Such a change could have a severe impact on Britain, which lies on the same latitude as Siberia and ought to be much colder. The Gulf Stream transports 27,000 times more heat to British shores than all the nation’s power supplies could provide, warming Britain by 5 - 8 degrees Centigrade.


Wadhams and his colleagues believe, however, that just such changes could be well under way. They predict that the slowing of the Gulf Stream is likely to be accompanied by other effects, such as the complete summer melting of the Arctic ice cap by as early as 2020 and almost certainly by 2080. This would spell disaster for Arctic wildlife such as the polar bear, which could face extinction.


Wadhams’s submarine journeys took him under the North Polar ice cap, using sonar to survey the ice from underneath. He has measured how the ice has become 46% thinner over the past 20 years. The results from these surveys prompted him to focus on a feature called the Odden ice shelf, which should grow out into the Greenland Sea every winter and recede in summer.


The growth of this shelf should trigger the annual formation of the sinking water columns. As sea water freezes to form the shelf, the ice crystals expel their salt into the surrounding water, making it heavier than the water below.


However, the Odden ice shelf has stopped forming. It last appeared in full in 1997.


“In the past we could see nine to 12 giant columns forming under the shelf each year. In our latest cruise, we found only two and they were so weak that the sinking water could not reach the seabed,” said Wadhams, who disclosed the findings at a meeting of the European Geosciences Union in Vienna, Austria.


The exact effect of such changes is hard to predict because currents and weather systems take years to respond and because there are two other areas around the north Atlantic where water sinks, helping to maintain circulation. Less is known about how climate change is affecting these.


Wadhams suggests the effect could be dramatic.


“One of the frightening things in the film 'The Day After Tomorrow' showed how the circulation in the Atlantic Ocean is upset because the sinking of cold water in the north Atlantic suddenly stops,” he said. “The sinking is stopping, albeit much more slowly than in the film -- over years rather than a few days. If it continues, the effect will be to cool the climate of northern Europe.”


One possibility is that Europe will freeze; another is that the slowing of the Gulf Stream may keep Europe cool as global warming heats the rest of the world -- but with more extremes of weather.


Intellpuke: "Jonathan Leake, science editor for the Sunday Times, has written a fine article on this particular piece of the global climate change picture. You can read it in context, here.

original is here:http://freeinternetpress.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=3557
 
Very, very scary... if the Gulf Stream stops, Britain's going to be the same sort of temperature as equivalent latitudes of Russia and Canada... :eek!!!!:

Totally OT: Does your name have anything to do with the Jack Ruby who produced Burning Spear's Island era albums?
 
Goldstein said:
Very, very scary... if the Gulf Stream stops, Britain's going to be the same sort of temperature as equivalent latitudes of Russia and Canada... :eek!!!!:

On the bright side, at least it'll save the ski resorts in Scotland. ;)

BTW, IIRC Glasgow is on the same latitude as Moscow.
 
Is there a more reliable source than that Free Internet Press site?
 
Siberian Britain in 20 years

This sourced fom The Rense board. Did anyone see this in The Observer?

Pentagon Tells Bush - Climate
Change Will Destroy Us

By Mark Townsend and Paul Harris in New York
The Observer - UK
3-22-6

Climate change over the next 20 years could result in a global catastrophe costing millions of lives in wars and natural disasters..

* Secret report warns of rioting and nuclear war

* Britain will be 'Siberian' in less than 20 years

* Threat to the world is greater than terrorism

A secret report, suppressed by US defence chiefs and obtained by The Observer, warns that major European cities will be sunk beneath rising seas as Britain is plunged into a 'Siberian' climate by 2020. Nuclear conflict, mega-droughts, famine and widespread rioting will erupt across the world.

The document predicts that abrupt climate change could bring the planet to the edge of anarchy as countries develop a nuclear threat to defend and secure dwindling food, water and energy supplies. The threat to global stability vastly eclipses that of terrorism, say the few experts privy to its contents.

'Disruption and conflict will be endemic features of life,' concludes the Pentagon analysis. 'Once again, warfare would define human life.'

The findings will prove humiliating to the Bush administration, which has repeatedly denied that climate change even exists. Experts said that they will also make unsettling reading for a President who has insisted national defence is a priority.

The report was commissioned by influential Pentagon defence adviser Andrew Marshall, who has held considerable sway on US military thinking over the past three decades. He was the man behind a sweeping recent review aimed at transforming the American military under Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.

Climate change 'should be elevated beyond a scientific debate to a US national security concern', say the authors, Peter Schwartz, CIA consultant and former head of planning at Royal Dutch/Shell Group, and Doug Randall of the California-based Global Business Network.

An imminent scenario of catastrophic climate change is 'plausible and would challenge United States national security in ways that should be considered immediately', they conclude. As early as next year widespread flooding by a rise in sea levels will create major upheaval for millions.

Last week the Bush administration came under heavy fire from a large body of respected scientists who claimed that it cherry-picked science to suit its policy agenda and suppressed studies that it did not like. Jeremy Symons, a former whistleblower at the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), said that suppression of the report for four months was a further example of the White House trying to bury the threat of climate change.

Senior climatologists, however, believe that their verdicts could prove the catalyst in forcing Bush to accept climate change as a real and happening phenomenon. They also hope it will convince the United States to sign up to global treaties to reduce the rate of climatic change.

A group of eminent UK scientists recently visited the White House to voice their fears over global warming, part of an intensifying drive to get the US to treat the issue seriously. Sources have told The Observer that American officials appeared extremely sensitive about the issue when faced with complaints that America's public stance appeared increasingly out of touch.

One even alleged that the White House had written to complain about some of the comments attributed to Professor Sir David King, Tony Blair's chief scientific adviser, after he branded the President's position on the issue as indefensible.

Among those scientists present at the White House talks were Professor John Schellnhuber, former chief environmental adviser to the German government and head of the UK's leading group of climate scientists at the Tyndall Centre for Climate Change Research. He said that the Pentagon's internal fears should prove the 'tipping point' in persuading Bush to accept climatic change.

Sir John Houghton, former chief executive of the Meteorological Office - and the first senior figure to liken the threat of climate change to that of terrorism - said: 'If the Pentagon is sending out that sort of message, then this is an important document indeed.'

Bob Watson, chief scientist for the World Bank and former chair of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, added that the Pentagon's dire warnings could no longer be ignored.

'Can Bush ignore the Pentagon? It's going be hard to blow off this sort of document. Its hugely embarrassing. After all, Bush's single highest priority is national defence. The Pentagon is no wacko, liberal group, generally speaking it is conservative. If climate change is a threat to national security and the economy, then he has to act. There are two groups the Bush Administration tend to listen to, the oil lobby and the Pentagon,' added Watson.

'You've got a President who says global warming is a hoax, and across the Potomac river you've got a Pentagon preparing for climate wars. It's pretty scary when Bush starts to ignore his own government on this issue,' said Rob Gueterbock of Greenpeace.

Already, according to Randall and Schwartz, the planet is carrying a higher population than it can sustain. By 2020 'catastrophic' shortages of water and energy supply will become increasingly harder to overcome, plunging the planet into war. They warn that 8,200 years ago climatic conditions brought widespread crop failure, famine, disease and mass migration of populations that could soon be repeated.

Randall told The Observer that the potential ramifications of rapid climate change would create global chaos. 'This is depressing stuff,' he said. 'It is a national security threat that is unique because there is no enemy to point your guns at and we have no control over the threat.'

Randall added that it was already possibly too late to prevent a disaster happening. 'We don't know exactly where we are in the process. It could start tomorrow and we would not know for another five years,' he said.

'The consequences for some nations of the climate change are unbelievable. It seems obvious that cutting the use of fossil fuels would be worthwhile.'

So dramatic are the report's scenarios, Watson said, that they may prove vital in the US elections. Democratic frontrunner John Kerry is known to accept climate change as a real problem. Scientists disillusioned with Bush's stance are threatening to make sure Kerry uses the Pentagon report in his campaign.

The fact that Marshall is behind its scathing findings will aid Kerry's cause. Marshall, 82, is a Pentagon legend who heads a secretive think-tank dedicated to weighing risks to national security called the Office of Net Assessment. Dubbed 'Yoda' by Pentagon insiders who respect his vast experience, he is credited with being behind the Department of Defence's push on ballistic-missile defence.

Symons, who left the EPA in protest at political interference, said that the suppression of the report was a further instance of the White House trying to bury evidence of climate change. 'It is yet another example of why this government should stop burying its head in the sand on this issue.'

Symons said the Bush administration's close links to high-powered energy and oil companies was vital in understanding why climate change was received sceptically in the Oval Office. 'This administration is ignoring the evidence in order to placate a handful of large energy and oil companies,' he added.
 
And as if to affirm the nightmare scenario... again from the Rense board.......

Global Warming - Icebergs
Near Buenos Aires

From Scott Corrales
Inexplicata - The Journal Of Hispanic Ufology
3-22-6
Source: INFOBAE.com
3-21-6

The Argentinean Naval Prefectuyre was stunned at the presence of two icebergs -- measuring 250 meters in length -- that reached these shores a few weeks ago. A group of experts, businessmen and livestock producers provided details on how global warming will affect Argentina.

A few weeks ago, the Argentinean naval prefecture observed icebergs floating along the Argentinean Sea. "This is the first time that icebergs of this size have reached Buenos Aires," said Miguel Angel Reyes, chief of maritime traffic. "The Prefecture escorted the bergs until they were outside the danger zone, he added in statements to the Bloomberg news agency.

The PNA forced ships to change course after two icebergs, 250 meters long and 30 meters tall, broke off the Antarctic in January and drifted 4,400 miles north. Barely a month later, two more icebergs cruised by the Argentinean coast.

According to scientists, the change in the iceberg's routs evidences how global warming has modified meteorological patterns. In Argentina, this causes radical changes in the fields.

"The increase in temperatures is responsible for this," said Juan Carlos Leva, a geophysicist with the Unidad de Nivologia y Glaceologia of the Regional Center for Scientific and Technological Research of Mendoza. "The situation worsened," he told Bloomberg.

At the time, rising temperatures have caused floods in Cordoba, Santa Fe and Buenos Aires while at the same time, the heat dries up the rivers to the north at an fierce rate, affecting energy production and reducing the supply of available water for cultivation and consumption, said Vicente Barros, a professor of Climatology with the University of Buenos Aires.


(translation (c) 2006. Scott Corrales, IHU)
 
A secret report, suppressed by US defence chiefs and obtained by The Observer, warns that major European cities will be sunk beneath rising seas as Britain is plunged into a 'Siberian' climate by 2020. Nuclear conflict, mega-droughts, famine and widespread rioting will erupt across the world.

yep all sounds like the end times to me.

Can't say I would be surprised in the least either !

Many Christian fundamentalists feel that concern for the future of our planet is irrelevant, because it has no future. They believe we are living in the End Time, when the son of God will return, the righteous will enter heaven, and sinners will be condemned to eternal hellfire. They may also believe, along with millions of other Christian fundamentalists, that environmental destruction is not only to be disregarded but actually welcomed -- even hastened -- as a sign of the coming Apocalypse.

http://www.grist.org/news/maindish/2004 ... christian/

No wonder Bush does not want to listen hey ??????
 
The same report was in the Times a couple of months ago with the same figures quoted, but where should I emigrate to, New Zealand North island seems a good bet, but the Chinese would probably invade by that time. :cry:
 
Nuclear conflict, mega-droughts, famine and widespread rioting will erupt across the world.


... and then there is the bird flu.


The end of the world is nigh.

Woe is me.

:?
 
iirc we are on the same latitued as northern canada
they seem to cope fine without the gulf stream warming them,are they implying a shift in the position of the north/south pole moving us closer to the artic circle?
 
In Northern Canada the infrastructure is built to cope with the climate which is the same as Siberia ie permafrost and tundra, huge expanse of land with a small population. My house is cold enough and hard enough to heat at the moment. :cry:
 
20 years for the Gulf Stream to stop completely. Certainly possible if recent trends continue. Personally i feel that we have pasted the point of no return, the ride has started and we must see it through. Thats not to say we shouldn't try and slow it down wherever possible.
 
20 years for the Gulf Stream to stop completely. Certainly possible if recent trends continue. Personally i feel that we have pasted the point of no return, the ride has started and we must see it through. Thats not to say we shouldn't try and slow it down wherever possible.
The effects from Greenland's infusion of fresh melt-water are destabilizing the Gulf Stream's already fading circulation pattern(s). Some suggest this could be accelerating the pace at which the Gulf Stream is failing.
Climate crisis: Scientists spot warning signs of Gulf Stream collapse

Climate scientists have detected warning signs of the collapse of the Gulf Stream, one of the planet’s main potential tipping points.

The research found “an almost complete loss of stability over the last century” of the currents that researchers call the Atlantic meridional overturning circulation (AMOC). The currents are already at their slowest point in at least 1,600 years, but the new analysis shows they may be nearing a shutdown.

Such an event would have catastrophic consequences around the world, severely disrupting the rains that billions of people depend on for food in India, South America and West Africa; increasing storms and lowering temperatures in Europe; and pushing up the sea level off eastern North America. It would also further endanger the Amazon rainforest and Antarctic ice sheets.

The complexity of the AMOC system and uncertainty over levels of future global heating make it impossible to forecast the date of any collapse for now. It could be within a decade or two, or several centuries away. ...

The AMOC is driven by dense, salty seawater sinking into the Arctic ocean, but the melting of freshwater from Greenland’s ice sheet is slowing the process down earlier than climate models suggested. ...
FULL STORY: https://www.theguardian.com/environ...ts-spot-warning-signs-of-gulf-stream-collapse
 
Haven't they just taken the report from 16 years ago and changed the dates?
No. This new research reviewed additional data from the last two decades, demonstrated the changes previously described weren't simply a fluctuation or known trend, and explained how new data and analysis implied the possibility of a total collapse of stability in the currents' flow pattern.

The published report is accessible at:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41558-021-01097-4.epdf
 
So the original report wasn't spot on with it's lower-end forecast then, but that isn't surprising as they did point out that the 'window' was quite large (early 2020s or anytime up to several decades later).
I think I'll reserve my judgement until the 2037 report is released.
 
The previous report was focused on the Gulf Stream slowing down - a periodic fluctuation reasonably believed to exist from historical data. This new report is focused on something more drastic - instability leading to a total collapse of the flow patterns we identify as the Gulf Stream and associated currents.
 
Unfortunately the full report would set me back by about £25 for 21 pages of quite technical detail.
We shall have to monitor the situation.
The idea of the Gulf Stream stopping does not fill me with joy.
The UK (indeed Northern Europe) would no longer enjoy the general warmth that we do and we would end up with a climate much more similar to that of British Colombia. However that in itself I would be okay with, I prefer it a bit colder generally.
 
Unfortunately the full report would set me back by about £25 for 21 pages of quite technical detail.
We shall have to monitor the situation.
The idea of the Gulf Stream stopping does not fill me with joy.
The UK (indeed Northern Europe) would no longer enjoy the general warmth that we do and we would end up with a climate much more similar to that of British Colombia. However that in itself I would be okay with, I prefer it a bit colder generally.

But would you be OK with regular, widespread flooding and more hurricanes?
 
Considering the havoc that arises on the occasions a little snow falls in the UK we’d be fucked with a climate like British Columbia.
 
The previous report was focused on the Gulf Stream slowing down - a periodic fluctuation reasonably believed to exist from historical data. This new report is focused on something more drastic - instability leading to a total collapse of the flow patterns we identify as the Gulf Stream and associated currents.
That’s Scotland’s pineapple growing capability fuckled then.
 
The previous report was focused on the Gulf Stream slowing down - a periodic fluctuation reasonably believed to exist from historical data. This new report is focused on something more drastic - instability leading to a total collapse of the flow patterns we identify as the Gulf Stream and associated currents.
I'm wondering - pure speculation - if this is connected with the shift of the magnetic poles. And what effect it would have if the poles did flip, as they have in the distant past.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-00007-1

I've felt ever since the Global Warming controversy started that it is looking on too narrow a timescale.

The climate ought to be changing - throughout the whole of the period of civilisation, say 10,000 years, we've been stuck on an unusual plateau between the last ice age and the planet's more normal warmer climate. The main thing we've done in that period is obliterate most - probably 95% - of the planet's forests.
 
The climate ought to be changing - throughout the whole of the period of civilisation, say 10,000 years, we've been stuck on an unusual plateau between the last ice age and the planet's more normal warmer climate. The main thing we've done in that period is obliterate most - probably 95% - of the planet's forests.
Humans have cut down a LOT of forests, yes. However, the planet is becoming greener. Increased rainfall and higher CO2 levels have been good for plant growth. We just need to replant the forests.
 
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