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Hacking For UFO Secrets

imho i would put stories of ufo etc that were compleatly fictional on secert data bases
like a kind of hunny trap for unsuspecting hackers
instead of reading the real stuff the said hacker would only see the ,what he would beleve to be,really juicy stuff
and while hes reading the fiction it leave the security time to catch him
and if they dont hes seen nothing of importance.
 
History repeats for former hacker
By Mark Ward
Technology Correspondent, BBC News website

For most people it must be hard to understand what confessed hacker Gary McKinnon is going through as the US attempts to extradite him to face trial.

But Mathew Bevan can definitely sympathise with Mr McKinnon because, ten years ago, he was in a very similar position.

As a teenager Mr Bevan became adept at breaking in to computer networks. At first any system was fair game but he soon started concentrating on those run by US military institutions.

Like Mr McKinnon he was caught, charged and threatened with extradition for what he had done.

Net losses

The knowledge he had built up hacking business, university and government computers helped find connections to military systems that he exploited to gain access.

Reading about how Mr McKinnon got started, Mr Bevan said he was amazed that security had improved so little between the time he had been exploring US military networks and when Gary McKinnon was hacking.

The same failings let both Mr Bevan and Mr McKinnon gain access to supposedly secure systems.

"It just shows that in 10 years nothing has changed," he said.

The only difference is that in the time between the two cases the US government has been spending heavily to beef up computer security.

"Where have the budgetary increases actually been spent?" he asked.

Like Gary McKinnon, Mr Bevan was interested in information about UFOs and spent months combing networks in search of hidden data.

Mr Bevan can easily understand why Mr McKinnon kept hacking the same systems for so long when common-sense would have told him that his luck would run out sooner or later.

"You just feel like you are invincible really," he said, describing the feeling he got when he successfully broke in to a network.

Once a hacker has won access to sensitive networks, the urge to keep on going to find more hidden information was hard to fight, he said.

"I liken it to perhaps the feeling that a parent might get if they find their child's diary," he said. "They know they should not read it, they know its wrong [but] they just cannot help themselves."

Case closed

Eventually, US computer security investigators caught up with Mr Bevan, or Kuji as he was known, and he was arrested on 21 June 1996.

The US portrayed him as a dangerous potential spy rather than the teenager from Cardiff that he actually was.

He was held in a police station for 36 hours, charged under the Computer Misuse Act, and then freed to wait 18 months until the case came to trial.

It is a pity, said Mr Bevan, that the evidence against Mr McKinnon has not been exposed to scrutiny in court.

"I was almost gunning for my case to go to trial because of the amount of witnesses we had that were contradicting each other," said Mr Bevan.

He added that there were "numerous" inconsistencies in the 40,000 pages of evidence submitted by the US that would have been good to mention in court.

"I can imagine that it would be the same in Gary's case," he said.

Although there were efforts made to extradite Mr Bevan, his case came to trial in the UK in 1998 but he was acquitted as it was judged not in the public interest to pursue the case. He now runs his own computer consultancy businesss.

Should Mr McKinnon face trial in the US and be sentenced to decades in jail, Mr Bevan feels such a sentence would be too harsh for what he has confessed to doing.

"Where is the leniency for admission of guilt?" he asked. "Let this guy talk to kids about how this trial has affected his life. Let this guy talk and discuss and explain, don't send him to a punishment likely to be worse than he would receive in this country for murder."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4761985.stm
 
Wired.com have an interesting couple of pages of interview with McKinnon -
here.

Nothing new really, but my fav quote is:
McKinnon: I was looking before and after 9/11. If I had wanted to distract anyone, I would not have chosen ufology, as this opens me up to ridicule.
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I once used to work with a guy who was known as 'The Mad Hacker' - he was put in prison for a few months, which I think was about right.
I don't agree with hacking at all, but I think the threat of 70 years for McKinnon is downright excessive. It's more than most violent criminals get for murder, rape, etc.
 
I have always thought that some Americans have always had a rather theatrical approach to justice. ' Oh he is the biggest threat since Hitler ' etc. you couldn't make it up :)
 
Hey!! were gonna put that spy in the pokey for years !! You don't mess with the good "ol USA like that!! :lol:
 
ruffready said:
They should give him a job hacking China and such. As far as I'm concerned he did the USA a favor., by keep the government on their toes.

You know I've heard that argument many times, but it doesn't hold water.

Would you thank a person who broke into your home and rummaged through your personal belongings? Perhaps you might give him a reward for pointing out your vulnerable parts in your protection of your home, but most of us would have him arrested.
 
UFO excuse fails as hacker is sent to US to stand trial
MICHAEL HOWIE
HOME AFFAIRS CORRESPONDENT ([email protected])

GARY McKinnon, the Scot accused by US authorities of carrying out the "biggest military computer hack of all time", yesterday lost his High Court bid to avoid extradition, triggering a flurry of messages of support from the online community.

The 41-year-old could spend the rest of his life behind bars if he is found guilty of gaining access to some 97 military and NASA computers in the United States from his bedroom in a North London house.

John Reid, the Home Secretary, granted the US request to extradite him for trial in July, and yesterday McKinnon's lawyers, who claimed he had been subjected to "improper threats", failed to convince judges that the move would breach his human rights.

Ben Cooper, appearing for McKinnon, said a bid would now be made to appeal the case to the House of Lords.

In their judgment, Lord Justice Maurice Kay and Mr Justice Goldring revealed their "distaste" for the American plea bargaining system.

Edmund Lawson, QC, also appearing for McKinnon, had described to the court how solicitors were told of the "determination of the New Jersey authorities to see Mr McKinnon fry" during plea bargaining negotiations in 2003.

McKinnon, born in Glasgow, was warned that he could receive a longer sentence and be denied repatriation to serve his sentence in the UK if he did not go to the US voluntarily. He would face the prospect of an unknown length of time in pre-trial detention, with no likelihood of bail.

If he was then found guilty, he would face a very long prison sentence, "in the region of 45 years, if not more". The maximum would be 60 years.

Mr Lawson argued that the threats infringed McKinnon's family and private life rights under Article 8 of the European Convention on Human Rights and were grounds for blocking extradition.

The judges disagreed, ruling that there had been no abuse of process.

They said: "We make no secret of the fact that we view with a degree of distaste the way in which the American authorities are alleged to have approached the plea bargain negotiations."

But they added: "We do not consider that we should allow our cultural reservations about this style of plea bargaining to stand in the way of extradition. We are satisfied that Mr McKinnon will be fairly treated by US courts."

McKinnon has spoken of how he became fascinated by hacking after watching the film WarGames. An interest in science fiction, fuelled by stories of UFOs told to him by his stepfather, who hails from near Bonnybridge - widely known as an apparent UFO "hotspot" - fired his desire to access "incredibly interesting places".

His hobby did not go undetected and he was arrested in November 2002. McKinnon is charged with using his computer skills to gain access to 53 US army computers, including those used for national defence and security, and 26 US navy computers, including those at US naval weapons station Earle in New Jersey, responsible for replenishing munitions and supplies for the deployed Atlantic fleet.

McKinnon is also charged with hacking into 16 NASA computers and one US defence department computer.

Allegations include copying and deleting data and causing damage which cost more than $700,000 (£350,000) to repair.

Later, Jeffrey Anderson, of the law firm Kaim Todner, said there was evidence that the New Jersey prosecutors' expressed intention to see McKinnon "fry" was a reference to capital punishment by the electric chair. This was "a chilling and intimidating threat", Mr Anderson said.

He said it now looked as though the US intended to prosecute McKinnon as a cyber- terrorist, "which could lead to him spending the rest of his life in prison in the US with repatriation to serve his sentence in Britain denied as punishment for contesting extradition".


The news prompted scores of sympathy messages on internet chatrooms and blogs, with some describing him as a naive enthusiast who was being punished for inadvertently exposing flaws in US military online security.

However, among the supportive comments were more critical remarks from hackers, who said McKinnon gave them "a bad name". :shock:

http://news.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=516882007
 
And he has given UFO research a bad name...not to mention cannabis.
 
Yes but he didn't go out and rape then kill some kids then say he did it cos he was stoned, a mate of mine robbed a bank of £2000 at alleged gun point, got caught, but strangely did no time because he claimed he had a smack addiction. Much speculation was had as whether he'd grassed folk up or his rich dad had pulled a string or two, Wolverhampton is a weired town.
 
Just been talking to a relative who spent many years doing computers for the police.

And he is not sympathetic `at all`. He spent too much time trying to keep big kids off his system.

In my experience the most damage is not done by malicious people, but by the blatantly irresponsible.

What happens in cyberspace can have a big effect on reality, kids

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(As a complete aside, did the movie `Wargames` introduce you to the notion one computer could speak to another...however so far away, and do you think the real reason we are all here on the Net because we watched it?)
 
Kondoru said:
As a complete aside, did the movie `Wargames` introduce you to the notion one computer could speak to another...however so far away, and do you think the real reason we are all here on the Net because we watched it?
Nope! Never seen it.

So I'm here on the Net because, erm... :?
 
....because of porn. Don't deny it.



Not me though, I am online for erm, ah, "research", yes, that's it. Not porn. No sir.
 
Gary McKinnon

Hacker, 41, London

Interview by Stephen Emms
Sunday April 22, 2007
The Observer

I was a man obsessed. I spent two and a half grand in dial-up charges trying to get into the US military systems, eight hours a day, every day, over the course of a year. At first it didn't feel like addiction, but later I wouldn't even bother washing or getting dressed.

Sometimes there were 70 other hackers from around the world looking at the same screen as me. I used to check them out and see IP addresses from Turkey, China, Holland, all over.

Change your password every month. Make it complicated but easy to remember. When I scanned thousands of machines on one particular military network, there were always a few hundred with blank passwords, and once you're on one, you use 'trust' to speak to another.

Towards the end I'd become sloppy. I'd have a six-pack and a few spliffs, and was borderline megalomaniacal.

The US originally offered me a three- to four-year sentence if I flew there of my own accord, but refused to put it in writing, so when the new extradition law was finalised here they pounced. My lawyers argue that I should face trial under British law.

I'd still like to make it as a singer-songwriter even though I'm 41.

I was charged seven times, with 10 years' imprisonment on each. The most serious accusation was 'bringing down the entire military network of Washington'.

When I received the extradition threat it was like being eaten from the inside out.

Hearing that the New Jersey Authorities want to see me 'fry' was like having a 17-tonne hammer waiting to hit me on the head.

I fear going to prison for 60 years. I'm terrified of being raped, and sitting there with paedophiles and murderers.

I think I'll rely on my friendliness to get on with people in prison. I'd like to help illiterate prisoners write letters to their families.

I believe in UFOs. They were my reason for hacking. As a kid my stepdad would tell me stories of how he saw one in Bonnybridge, near Falkirk, the UFO capital of the world.

I discovered names and ranks of non-terrestrial officers. They were all very human-like - although I can't remember the details as my hard drive was seized by the police.

I'm a techno-luddite now. I can't access my own email address. Other people do it for me.

Be very scared of a mother protecting her child. After my arrest my mum turned into Superwoman, lobbying MPs, writing letters. She's disgusted by the fact that you can be handed over on a plate to a foreign government.

I'm schizophrenic emotionally at the moment. The little boy inside me is shit scared, but the adult side wants to take it on and fight them.

My anti-authoritarian streak started to grow when, aged 16 and working at a printer's, I quit after the boss came down one day and said, 'Gary you must always stand up at work, never relax, always pretend someone's watching you.' That awoke something in me.

My situation is a constant tension for me and my girlfriend Lucy, we're both quite intense. Without this I'd be able to love her properly. I'd like marriage and kids.

My advice to my younger self? Don't hack.

I despaired when I lost my appeal to the High Court, but my final kernel of hope is a possible hearing in the House of Lords. They're a very eclectic bunch. But if they choose not to hear the case, then I'll be extradited within four weeks.

I would like to be remembered as the guy who won his court case.

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/magazine ... 53,00.html
 
Hacker Packed Off

This is from PC Format issue 201 June 2007 page 20

"NEWS ANALYSIS

This month, UK hacker Gary McKinnon, who broke into the Pentagon network and gained access to 97 military computers, has lost the appeal against extradition to the UK.

McKinnon has always claimed the hack was motivated by curiosity over the existence of extra terrestials rather than anything malicious. Still the United States has continued its red-faced chase to get Mckinnon extradited to be tried under the American judicial system. Mckinnon faces around 45 years in jail on counts of cyber terrorism, with little chance of serving any of his sentence in the United Kingdom.

Mckinnon's only hope now is an appeal at the House of Lords, the last possible stage of appeal before he's packed into a shipping crate bound for the US. Otherwise, his extradition, which was approved by Home Sectretary John Reid, could go through with no prima facie evidence and no time scale for the trial. Mckinnon could end up sitting in prison in the States, without bail for years.

Here at PC Format, we get the feeling this is just a case of the US making an example of a single hacker. Mckinnon's hacks posed little threat, and it's unlikely that the damaged caused warrants the sentence. Having said that, we're weren't convinced when McKinnon's lawyers suggested the US was going to send him from Glasgow to Guantanamo. Still, whenit comes to trumped up terrorism charges and ridiculous jail sentences, we're definately in his corner. Good luck Gary! WWW.freegary.org.uk"

Photo by Rex Features
 
'Superhacker' bids to halt extradition
By Robert Verkaik, Law Editor
Monday, 16 June 2008

A British man accused of the "biggest military computer hack of all time" will make a last desperate plea today to try to stop his extradition to the US.

Gary McKinnon, 42, will tell the House of Lords that he is the victim of an oppressive prosecution and has been made the scapegoat for a catastrophic failure in US military security. If he loses his case he could face life imprisonment.

Mr McKinnon is accused of hacking into 97 US military computers – including 16 Nasa computers and one belonging to the Pentagon – from his bedroom in Wood Green, north London, in 2001 and early 2002. He is alleged to have crashed the US Army's Washington network of 2,000 computers for 24 hours, significantly disrupting government functions.

Prosecutors also accuse him of shutting down 300 computers at a US Navy weapons station immediately after the terror attacks of 11 September 2001. Mr McKinnon said he was looking for evidence of unidentified flying objects. He is not facing charges in Britain.

Mr McKinnon's solicitor, Karen Todner, told the High Court last year of meetings at the US embassy in Grosvenor Square. The legal attache, Ed Gibson, is said to have told her "off the record" that the New Jersey authorities were determined to see McKinnon "fry".

If her client pleaded guilty to two counts, he could expect a sentence of less than four years. Prosecutors would not oppose this being served in England. If not, she was allegedly told, "all bets were off" and Mr McKinnon could expect a sentence of eight to 10 years "or possibly longer".

The former home secretary John Reid signed the extradition order on Mr McKinnon, who has not denied hacking into US computer systems, including some mentioned in the US indictment. But he claims he was not a threat to security as he was only looking for evidence of UFOs.

Mr McKinnon also claims the extradition treaty under which he is to be sent to the US had not been ratified by the American government. A decision is expected within three weeks.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 47835.html
 
But he claims he was not a threat to security as he was only looking for evidence of UFOs.

How do we interpret that, eh?

Whats the betting he gets let off at the last minute?

He needs a nasty fright...and Im still sad to say, that sort of fright isnt nasty enough....
 
Maybe he caused the 3rd tower to collapse during 9/11 too! :lol:
 
And he hasnt told us any of these secrets hes found...its been several years too...what a meanie....
 
The whole thing sounds like a 'controlled hack'. There are probably 100s of attempts everyday, its wouldnt be hard to assist one and reroute it to a fake database. The poor sap would then be made an example of as a deterent and perhaps an excuse for new legislation if needed.

I suspect his 'finds' will be a significant part of the next phase of disinfo after the trial is over.
 
Oh! they dont have to be true!

As long as they keep smucks like him happy....
 
Wednesday, 30 July 2008 11:46 UK

Hacker loses extradition appeal

A Briton accused of hacking into top secret military computers has lost a Law Lords appeal against being extradited to stand trial in the US.

Glasgow-born Gary McKinnon could face life in jail if convicted of accessing 97 US military and Nasa computers.

He has admitted breaking into the computers from his London home but said he was seeking information on UFOs.

The 42-year-old's lawyers said they would apply to the European Court of Human Rights to prevent his removal.

Mr McKinnon first lost his case at the High Court in 2006 before taking it to the highest court in the UK, the House of Lords. American officials involved in this case have stated that they want to see him 'fry'

He was arrested in 2002 but never charged in the UK.

The US government claims he committed a malicious crime - the biggest military computer hack ever.

A statement by solicitors for McKinnon, who was not at the Lords to hear the judgement, said: "Gary McKinnon is neither a terrorist nor a terrorist sympathiser.

"His case could have been properly dealt with by our own prosecuting authorities. We believe that the British government declined to prosecute him to enable the US government to make an example of him.

"American officials involved in this case have stated that they want to see him 'fry'.

"The consequences he faces if extradited are both disproportionate and intolerable."

'Computer nerd'

Their client is accused of hacking into the computers with the intention of intimidating the US government.

It alleges that between February 2001 and March 2002, he hacked into dozens of US Army, Navy, Air Force, and Department of Defense computers, as well as 16 Nasa computers.

Prosecutors say he altered and deleted files at a naval air station not long after the 11 September attacks in 2001, rendering critical systems inoperable.

Mr McKinnon, who is unemployed, has admitted that he accessed computers in the US without authority.

But he has said he is merely a computer nerd, whose motives were harmless and innocent. He denies any attempts at sabotage.

He said he wanted to find evidence of UFOs he thought was being held by the US authorities, and to expose what he believed was a cover-up.

Repatriated

The Law Lords were told by Mr McKinnon's lawyers that extraditing him would be an abuse of proceedings.

US authorities had threatened him with a long jail sentence if he did not plead guilty, they said.

Without co-operation, the case could be treated as a terrorism case, which could result in up to a 60-year sentence in a maximum security prison should he be found guilty on all six indictments.

With co-operation, he would receive a lesser sentence of 37 to 46 months, be repatriated to the UK, where he could be released on parole and charges of "significantly damaging national security" would be dropped.

But Clare Montgomery QC, representing the Home Secretary, argued no threats were made, and the extradition should go ahead.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7532713.stm
 
Yep, the US military are shutting the stable-door very loudly on this one, even though the 'crime' is now over six years old.

As his solicitors say "The consequences he faces if extradited are both disproportionate and intolerable."

Let's hope the European Court of Human Rights can keep him out of Guantanamo Bay (or wherever...)
 
Hacking for UFO secrets is neither `harmless nor innocent`

If there are any secrets its probably stuff not to be messed with.

(either they are very serious or so petty as to not bother with.)

If there `arent` any secrets...then what does he think hes doing?

Suspicious, methinks.

(anyway, he hasnt revealed what he has found....what an ass.)

The EU will sort this out, Im sure.
 
He was off his tits on dope most of the time. I doubt he saw anything extraterrestrial. More like his imagination got the better of him.

Can't believe the only reason he got caught was becaue he deliberately supplied his real email address whilst chatting to someone in a hacking session :lol:

Silly sod.
 
The bit that gets me (Well, it all gets me, but the bit that gets me worse...) is that he was doing it on someone elses phone bill.
 
America's cracked code
US courts can guarantee little justice for a curious British hacker who now faces trial as a terrorist
Duncan Campbell The Guardian, Friday August 1 2008

So Gary McKinnon, the hacker who cracked the computer systems of the Pentagon and Nasa from his bedroom in north London more than seven years ago, is to be extradited to stand trial in the US. That was the ruling this week of the law lords as they departed on their summer holidays.

They brushed aside the arguments of McKinnon's distinguished legal team that he could not be guaranteed a fair trial there. "The difference between the American system and our own is not perhaps so stark as the appellant's argument suggests," said Lord Brown of Eaton-under-Heywood in his ruling. "It is difficult to think of anything other than the threat of unlawful action which could fairly be said so to imperil the integrity of the extradition process as to require the accused to be discharged irrespective of the case against him."

Well, who knows what news gets through to Eaton-under-Haywood these days, but if Lord Brown and his four colleagues had done some cursory research on the current state of the US criminal justice system, they would know there is a very stark difference between the way he could be treated by the US courts and how he would be treated here.

There may be much wrong with the British criminal justice system but, compared to the lottery that is the American judicial process, there are a number of sober differences. For a start, here you would not find yourself in jail for 50 years for stealing $160 worth of videotapes, or for 25 years for smoking marijuana. Nor does the UK operate a Guantánamo Bay where the most basic legal principles have been abandoned as part of a post-9/11 panic. And there is no guarantee that, if tried in the US, McKinnon would not be confronted by some grandstanding, publicity-seeking judge deeply offended that a chap in a flat in north London can leave a message saying "your security is really crap" on the Pentagon computer, as McKinnon did. After all, one American official in this case has already said that he would like to see him "fry".

Gary McKinnon started his hacking long before the events of September 11 and his offence has nothing to do with terrorism. In fact, much of his exploration was in pursuit of information about UFOs. But, because of the embarrassment he has caused the Pentagon, he is being pursued as if his offence was in some way connected to US national security. He will not, in reality, face 60 years in jail, but he could well receive a grossly disproportionate sentence for an offence that would be dealt with in this country with a fine and community service. Maybe he would have to pay some compensation, although the real financial cost to the Pentagon and Nasa systems is small, certainly nothing like the fanciful, inflated claim of $700,000 being made by the US authorities. The real loss is one of face.

What McKinnon did was expose a faulty security system in a mischievous fashion. Previous hackers in this country who have transgressed in this way, out of curiosity rather than for financial gain, have been rewarded with jobs as security consultants by the very firms whose systems they cracked. McKinnon himself has been congratulated by some members of the US military for showing up the failings of their system. If the US authorities had been smart, they would have invited McKinnon into the embassy and asked him for advice rather than seeking to make him a scapegoat for their own inadequacies.

This week the law lords had a wonderful opportunity to assert our independence from the US and to make a point about the abandonment of legal principles there since September 11. They have failed to do so. We must now hope that the European court of human rights will step in to prevent a great injustice to a man whose real offence was to tell the Pentagon a blunt truth.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... itechcrime
 
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