Hong Kong Protests & The Umbrella Movement

James_H

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James,

What's the situation now ?
I've just got back. There are no protests today because it's election day and the protestors want people to be able to get to the polls, I guess. It seems that at the PolyU campus there are just a few students still in there - less than ten. The education board have declared schools open again from tomorrow.

Another concern in Hong Kong and Taiwan is the claim from a self-proclaimed Chinese spy that China is interfering directly with elections here and there. The validity of these claims remains to be seen.
 

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I've just got back. There are no protests today because it's election day and the protestors want people to be able to get to the polls, I guess. It seems that at the PolyU campus there are just a few students still in there - less than ten. The education board have declared schools open again from tomorrow.

Another concern in Hong Kong and Taiwan is the claim from a self-proclaimed Chinese spy that China is interfering directly with elections here and there. The validity of these claims remains to be seen.
I would not be surprised if the Beijing regime interfered with the election.
Given the CCP's track record, I cannot see them permitting a pro-democracy result to be declared.
 

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I would not be surprised if the Beijing regime interfered with the election.
Given the CCP's track record, I cannot see them permitting a pro-democracy result to be declared.
I would not be remotely surprised. The president of Taiwan has been claiming interference already. It remains to be seen if this guy (Wang Liqiang) is legit or not. China say he's an 'unemployed fugitive' who has never been a spy.

Election day today! Here's a claim of vote-rigging, screenshotted from Reddit:

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This video claims to show a group of people bribing elderly voters in Wong Tai Sin. When confronted the middle-aged ladies become quite aggressive.
https://www.facebook.com/standnewshk/videos/vb.710476795704610/573721690029924/?type=2&theater

EDIT: more videos appearing to show bribery outside polling centres.
 
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Another concern in Hong Kong and Taiwan is the claim from a self-proclaimed Chinese spy that China is interfering directly with elections here and there. The validity of these claims remains to be seen.
I posted a piece about him on the News from China Thread. He might be a fantasist or a spy. Or a spy who fell from favour.
 

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Well, the district council elections have passed. They're symbolic insofar as district councillors have no real power but they're being seen as a barometer of sentiment among the electorate.

Two takeaways:

1) if Beijing was trying to rig votes, they failed spectacularly

2) the huge turnout combined with pro-democracy landslide well and truly puts paid to the idea that there's a 'silent majority' who side with Beijing

Some Beijing-backed papers allege intimidation on the pro democracy side: https://www.hongkongfp.com/2019/11/...dslide-victory-covered-local-intl-newspapers/
 

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The point is, in the end Beijing will just walk in when the hand back happens and say 'Ok, you've had your party. Now the only party that matters is in control.' so, it's shape - up time.'.
 

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Just heard on the 07:00 news that Trump has publicly praised the pro-democracy activists and has placed an embargo on the export of all riot-control goods to China.
Beijing not happy!
I really don't understand Trump (who does ?). He bleats on about his great deal with China, respect for Chairman Xi etc, then slaps him in the face with this stupid stunt.

Is he totally dumb ?

I feel his Great Deal suddenly got reduced.
 

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I really don't understand Trump (who does ?). He bleats on about his great deal with China, respect for Chairman Xi etc, then slaps him in the face with this stupid stunt. Is he totally dumb ? I feel his Great Deal suddenly got reduced.
When something flops this way and that, apparently gasping for air, eventually it becomes apparent it is a fish out of water.
 

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This makes me say hmmmm. Fifty bottles of corrosive acid found in a park, police looking for links to protestors. Parks are of course wonderful places if you're a fan of plants.

https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong...micals-found-park-sparking-police-probe-links
The police use agents provocateur to infiltrate and start violence, giving the uniforms an excuse to use force. I doubt planting evidence of chemicals and petrol bombs would give them any moral quandries.
 

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The police use agents provocateur to infiltrate and start violence, giving the uniforms an excuse to use force. I doubt planting evidence of chemicals and petrol bombs would give them any moral quandries.
If it has been done here by police, you can bet it is being done in China.
 
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