Hong Kong Protests, Umbrella Movement

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Conspiracy theory: protestor attack on cross-border train to Guangzhou was a staged production by police and MTR corporation. Main points:

- The train doesn't stop at fanling, where the train was allegedly attacked

- Fanling station was already closed to the public at the time of the alleged attack

- The footage wasn't released until four days after the alleged attack.

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There are also lots of photos of glass in stations broken from the inside while the stations were closed (and I've seen it myself), which raises questions.
Another supposedly suspicious detail on this incident: it happened at 11pm but the last train to Guangzhou leaves Hung Hom at 8pm. Between Hung Hom and Fanling is 30 minutes journey time at most.
 

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There are plain cloth officers on Leeds (and other) stations. No surprise there.
 

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No, I'm pointing out that you don't need to be in a Hong Kong situation to have plain clothes police patrolling public facilities.
 

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They reveal it when they collar people and pull out their badges.
 

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Well there must be a specific reason why they're there. Is there a high incidence of crime in stations? I'm wondering what sort of crime happens a lot in stations for them to be there in the first place. Probably some pickpocketing, bag snatching.

Max is the man to put us straight on the use of plain clothes police in stations & what they're looking for.

It's all off the topic of Hong Kong anyway.
 

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There are plain cloth officers on Leeds (and other) stations. No surprise there.
Remember that the stations were already shut (and had been for three hours), so they were probably not patrolling.
 

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I'm wondering what sort of crime happens a lot in stations for them to be there in the first place. Probably some pickpocketing, bag snatching.

Max is the man to put us straight on the use of plain clothes police in stations & what they're looking for.
l wasn’t with British Transport Police, but they use plain clothes officers as well as uniforms. They have a long-standing tactic known as Servator which involves officers in nondescript kit.

Usual railway offences include fare-dodging, pickpocketing, bustle-punching, heavy begging etc.

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Is there usually a verbal distinction drawn in the UK between plainclothes officers on patrol for the kind of offences you describe and ones who join protests etc?
 

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I know lecturers in Western countries who operate on the understanding that they're not allowed to criticize the Chinese government because overseas mainland students are such an important source of income to universities around the world these days.

Here's the flip side of that: Hong Kong lecturer harassed out of a job for condemning the protestors.

https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong...ommunity-college-lecturer-replaced-after-anti
 

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Another missing protestor is found dead in the sea. This one was a member of her school swimming team so presumably a strong enough swimmer.

https://hk.news.appledaily.com/local/realtime/article/20191011/60139820 (link in Chinese, google translation below):

A 15-year-old missing girl Chen Yanlin’s tracing notice was posted on the Internet. She has not been recovered since she disappeared on September 19. The netizens are worried. Recently, there was a message on the Internet that she was “dead and dead”. When the police accepted the "Apple" inquiry, it was confirmed that a nude female floating body was found on the surface of Devil's Hill in Yau Tong on September 22. After the investigation, it was believed that the 15-year-old Chen surnamed the girl, but did not further confirm whether the floating body was Chen Yanlin. Yan Lin’s neighbors confirmed to Apple that the floating body discovered by the police was Yan Lin. However, she was a swimmer herself. She often “dreamed” during her lifetime and participated in anti-reform demonstrations many times. She was worried that the cause of death was suspicious. The Vocational Training Council (VTC) confirmed that Chen Yanlin was a student of the school and confirmed his death. Related news: The broken family broke up and left home. Friends: I want to start again.​
Reporter Zhou Ting Chen Yanlin’s tracing notice was first circulated in the Telegram group and the Lian Deng discussion area on the night of September 24; the news reported that Yanlin was 15 years old, 1.53 meters tall, and finally at 2:15 pm on September 19 at Meifu. Friends separated, after 10 minutes, a short message was sent to friends saying that they were going home. "Unfortunately, they did not return to their homes on the 5th, and they disappeared." Later, some people picked up their mobile phones and identity at her school in Tseung Kwan O District. Card and student ID. Related news: A number of bizarre homicide cases, panic, recent suspicious corpse event book​
A VTC spokesperson said in an interview with Apple last week that Chen Yanlin, a 15-year-old female student, was enrolled in the VTC's youth college. The school was deeply saddened by Chen's death and expressed deep condolences to her family. "Apple" learned from many sources that within a week after Yan Lin disappeared, his floating body was picked up by the police and confirmed his identity. A review of the information released by the police to the media from September 19 to 26, during which only one case of floating body was found. The police announced on September 22 that on the same day, suspected people were killed in the sea off the Devil's Hill in Yau Tong. The police arrived at the scene to pick up an unidentified female floating body. The news indicated that the body was about 1.5 meters tall and had long blonde hair. At the age of 25 to 30, no suicide notes were found on the scene and they were handed over to the Criminal Investigation Team of the Eastern District. The Police Public Relations Branch replied to the "Apple" inquiry on October 5, saying that after preliminary investigation, it was believed that the victim of the Yutang Floating Corps case was a 15-year-old missing girl. The police received a report from the family in mid-September that the victim was missing. The case was listed as "The body was found" was forwarded to the second team of the District Crime Squad of Eastern District for follow-up action. "Apple" followed up in writing, including asking whether the floating body case involved suicide, whether the case was suspicious, whether anyone was arrested so far, and asked if the victim was Chen Linlin who reported missing in mid-September, whether she had participated in the counter The amendment movement was arrested, taken to investigate or assisted by police investigations. The Police Public Relations Branch once said that there was no supplement. The "Apple" asked for a written reply and the follow-up of the investigation of the disappearance of Chen Yanlin. The police only replied in writing to the inquiries of the Yau Tong corpse case in the following day. In the investigation, the cause of death of the victim was to be tested by toxicology and further investigation. There is still no disclosure of whether the above-mentioned floating body is Chen Yanlin, or whether Chen Yanlin has died. The police then verbally confirmed on October 9 that the identity of the floating body in Yau Tong was the missing girl of Chen. "Apple" contacted a number of sources who had close contact with Yanlin during his lifetime, including friends who were alive, and the reporters reviewed the contents of their WhatsApp conversations and confirmed their friendship. They were all surprised at Yan Lin’s death and worried that the cause of death was suspicious. Based on multiple sources, Yan Lin participated in anti-reform demonstrations several times before his death. Friends gave a short message on June 12 to Apple, confirming that Yanlin had participated in the 6.12 Golden Bell rally; another Yanlin friend revealed She once saw her in the "Here and You" airport rally in August; another netizen who had seen the tracing notice said that Yan Lin had seen the "Street Pack" appearing at the demonstration site. "Apple" also learned that Yan Lin is a swimmer. He participated in the diving team in his early years and received regular diving training about three years ago. My friend revealed: "The canal has the ability to squat 5 meters high, jump into the 5 meter deep swimming pool, and then swim ashore." Yan Lin once attended the Deng Peiqiong Memorial Middle School of Pok Oi Hospital. The school report shows the 2016/17 Yuen Long District Inter-school Swimming Competition. In the middle, Yan Lin won the Meritorious Relay Award with the teammates of the same school. The tracing is suspected to be the two telephone numbers of Yan Lin’s mother and relatives. Apple tried to call and contacted by SMS, but did not reply before the deadline. The lawyer and the Democratic Party Legislative Council member, Mr. Tu Jinshen, said that the incident will be decided by the coroner. According to normal procedures, the police found that the floating body should try its best to investigate, but the police may not be trusted by the public or even one of the suspected objects. Therefore, Tu believes that the family should ask the magistrate some questions and instruct the police to answer. For example, whether the girl involved was arrested and released by the police for the anti-reform exercise. Tu also suggested that the family take the initiative to police to investigate the friends around the deceased. Yan Lin disappeared until the police found the floating body, a number of demonstrations and police conflicts. On the morning of September 19 and 20, there were a chain of middle school students in Sha Tin and Tsuen Wan District. On the evening of the 20th, Central China held a rally against "HSBC Suppressing Trade Unions". On the 21st, from the afternoon of the 21st to the evening, there was a rehearsal of the Tuen Mun parade to commemorate the 7.21 attacks. The two-month Yuen Long rally has evolved into a police-civilian conflict. The police repeatedly used tear gas and arrested demonstrators. Late in the evening, a middle-aged man outside the PopCorn mall in Tseung Kwan O District was suspected of beating people. The anti-riot police fired a sponge bomb to disperse, arrested a 13-year-old boy and a 19-year-old youth. Hundreds of people were dissatisfied and surrounded the Tseung Kwan O Police Station. Police 22 At about 1 am, a number of tear gas bombs were applied.​
 

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James,

Are most Kong Kong people really aware that in the future the 'city state' will be handed back to the mainland ?
 

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Certainly seems to be the wrong way to set about it.

And the mainland only has to wait; and compile a list of 'people of interest'.
 

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Two English teachers arrested elsewhere in China on what their lawyers claim are trumped-up charges.

Two possible conspiracies here:

1) they're CIA agents. Wumao comments on Facebook are calling for the deportation of all English teachers because we're all spies (I'm not a spy).

2) they're being used as bargaining chips against the USA passing the Hong Kong freedom and democracy bill.

https://www.hongkongfp.com/2019/10/17/two-americans-run-english-teaching-firm-detained-east-china/
 
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