Human Population Growth & Overpopulation

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What can be done, indeed.
We could bring back disease. Not fight it so hard.
We could establish birth control methods that many would find unpalatable (see China as the failed experiment).
We could allow people to commit suicide if they so wish.
War is actually not an effective means of cutting population, so should be avoided.
All women in 3rd world countries to receive education (including education about birth control). Educated women don't have as many babies.
Encourage the use of porn and sex robots among the chavs to keep them occupied.
MGTOW and man-hating feminism (already happening).
Stop governments from financially supporting (a) people who have more than 2 kids, or (b) people who deliberately get pregnant so they don't have to work.
 
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But what if the received wisdom about population growth is wrong?

YOU KNOW THE story. Despite technologies, regulations, and policies to make humanity less of a strain on the earth, people just won’t stop reproducing. By 2050 there will be 9 billion carbon-burning, plastic-polluting, calorie-consumingpeople on the planet. By 2100, that number will balloon to 11 billion, pushing society into a Soylent Green scenario. Such dire population predictions aren’t the stuff of sci-fi; those numbers come from one of the most trusted world authorities, the United Nations.

But what if they’re wrong? Not like, off by a rounding error, but like totally, completely goofed?

That’s the conclusion Canadian journalist John Ibbitson and political scientist Darrell Bricker come to in their newest book, Empty Planet, due out February 5th. After painstakingly breaking down the numbers for themselves, the pair arrived at a drastically different prediction for the future of the human species. “In roughly three decades, the global population will begin to decline,” they write. “Once that decline begins, it will never end.” ...

https://www.wired.com/story/the-wor... (1) remainder&utm_medium=email&utm_source=nl
 

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But what if the received wisdom about population growth is wrong?

YOU KNOW THE story. Despite technologies, regulations, and policies to make humanity less of a strain on the earth, people just won’t stop reproducing. By 2050 there will be 9 billion carbon-burning, plastic-polluting, calorie-consumingpeople on the planet. By 2100, that number will balloon to 11 billion, pushing society into a Soylent Green scenario. Such dire population predictions aren’t the stuff of sci-fi; those numbers come from one of the most trusted world authorities, the United Nations.

But what if they’re wrong? Not like, off by a rounding error, but like totally, completely goofed?

That’s the conclusion Canadian journalist John Ibbitson and political scientist Darrell Bricker come to in their newest book, Empty Planet, due out February 5th. After painstakingly breaking down the numbers for themselves, the pair arrived at a drastically different prediction for the future of the human species. “In roughly three decades, the global population will begin to decline,” they write. “Once that decline begins, it will never end.” ...

https://www.wired.com/story/the-world-might-actually-run-out-of-people/?CNDID=38161694&CNDID=38161694&bxid=MjgyOTkyNTc2NjU0S0&hasha=50a659545c9a0c929c797a0c0c36133a&hashb=af347532d60686fe9e71342b63a2510c5eb0d524&mbid=nl_020419_daily_list1_p4&source=DAILY_NEWSLETTER&utm_brand=wired&utm_mailing=WIRED NL 020419 (1) remainder&utm_medium=email&utm_source=nl
Those guys are to overpopulation what Trump is to global warming!
 

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I am glad I read that article, but I am inclined to think it is very wrong about the effects of the variables it discusses. For example, female education does provide a brake on population growth to some degree, but what about women who are just naturally stupid and fecund and won't keep their legs crossed? We've all met them, and they keep chugging out babies, and their kids grow up and the girls get pregnant in highschool... hakuna matata. All we are going to do is stop smart people breeding. Don't get me started about religion on this subject either. There are LOADS of avenues for criticism of this idea; I have not yet begun to argue.
 

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I am glad I read that article, but I am inclined to think it is very wrong about the effects of the variables it discusses. For example, female education does provide a brake on population growth to some degree, but what about women who are just naturally stupid and fecund and won't keep their legs crossed? We've all met them, and they keep chugging out babies, and their kids grow up and the girls get pregnant in highschool... hakuna matata. All we are going to do is stop smart people breeding. Don't get me started about religion on this subject either. There are LOADS of avenues for criticism of this idea; I have not yet begun to argue.
See the fine documentary, 'Idiocracy'.
 

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I am glad I read that article, but I am inclined to think it is very wrong about the effects of the variables it discusses. For example, female education does provide a brake on population growth to some degree, but what about women who are just naturally stupid and fecund and won't keep their legs crossed? We've all met them, and they keep chugging out babies, and their kids grow up and the girls get pregnant in highschool... hakuna matata. All we are going to do is stop smart people breeding. Don't get me started about religion on this subject either. There are LOADS of avenues for criticism of this idea; I have not yet begun to argue.
Exactly.
Pretty well all of the problems facing us today - pollution, climate change, regular flooding, housing shortage, gridlocked roads, a health service creaking at the seams, antibiotic resistance, dwindling natural resources, habitat loss, extinction of entire species and even antisocial behaviour can be attributed to far too many humans crammed into too small a space.
 

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But what if the received wisdom about population growth is wrong?

That’s the conclusion Canadian journalist John Ibbitson and political scientist Darrell Bricker come to in their newest book, Empty Planet, due out February 5th. After painstakingly breaking down the numbers for themselves, the pair arrived at a drastically different prediction for the future of the human species. “In roughly three decades, the global population will begin to decline,” they write. “Once that decline begins, it will never end.” ...
I wonder which faction / contingent will react first, and in which direction, based on the memetic foci one can ascribe to this new book ...

Positive: Yay! Women's worldwide progress will save the entire human race as well as Mother Earth herself!

Negative: WTF?!? How dare you foist all responsibility for averting apocalypse onto disadvantaged and oppressed women?!

Cynical: It was written by two men - who gives a flying f**k what they think? TL/DR ...
 

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Why should a story about a possible reduction in the human population turn into a series of creepy rants against Wimmin? :thought:They are not getting pregnant entirely by themselves you know. If they were, that would be of definite interest to this forum.
 

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Why should a story about a possible reduction in the human population turn into a series of creepy rants against Wimmin? :thought:They are not getting pregnant entirely by themselves you know. If they were, that would be of definite interest to this forum.
It's because, in 3rd world countries in particular, women don't have equality. Educate them about their life choices and they may not have so many babies. There would be some form of rebellion against being baby making machines. At least, that's the idea.
 

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..But what if the received wisdom about population growth is wrong?..

It isn't.
 

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It's because, in 3rd world countries in particular, women don't have equality. Educate them about their life choices and they may not have so many babies. There would be some form of rebellion against being baby making machines. At least, that's the idea.
And what do women in third world countries have to do with constant asexual reproduction as Alcopwn suggests or with ARGH FEMINAZIS as Enola Gaia suggests? o_O
 

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Min is making the point that men are as much involved the production of children as the women are. But the men in many high population countries have all the power. The women could not refuse to have sex even if they wished. An the men in these places are only interested in a shag, to put it directly. They can have no responsible outlook or they would think things like 'how the hell am I going to feed all these'.

BUT, God will provide; keep up the breeding.

Back in the past many of these people would be killed in wars. The teenagers upward used as cannon fodder while the younger ones die as victims to the war or through disease and starvation.

This method of population control is becoming increasingly unpopular. So the numbers are not being regulated.

Until men learn to use condoms or keep their dicks in their pants nothing will change.

This applies to many first world countries as well as the third.

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And what do women in third world countries have to do with ... ARGH FEMINAZIS as Enola Gaia suggests? o_O
You're jumping to an unwarranted conclusion in suggesting I was specifically referring to women as the ones who'd be reacting - either generally or with particular regard to any 'feminazi' extremists.

Certainly, one would expect the initial shots to come from those most vociferous about women's issues.

However, none of the three positions I enumerated are, or should be taken as, the exclusive province of women. People of both genders with an activist bent (SJW's; pundits; followers of all relevant and irrelevant camps, etc.) will almost certainly be all over this book in the coming weeks and months.

I've consistently witnessed these exact three vectors in publicly espoused reactions on reproductive and gender issues, dating back to the sometimes riotous contraception debates in the 1960's. Some take an innovation, opinion, or proposal to be 'liberating' for women, some take it to be foisting responsibility onto women, and some simply blow it off based on face value appearances - e.g., who's associated with it.

In the currently charged climate surrounding such matters I have no doubt this book will be discussed - and most probably slammed - from the three distinct orientations I outlined.

These two Canadian academics have set themselves up for incoming fire from all three directions. They've no one to blame but themselves after distilling a topic of global scope into a matter for which resolution depends largely or wholly upon the female portion of the population.
 

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Sperm counts are declining though, which might change it.
One man can produce up to 500 000 000 per ejaculation so overall even a decline still leaves enough of the little wrigglers.
 

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....Sperm counts are declining though, which might change it. ..

Possibly, but I doubt it. It only takes one sperm to make it all the way.

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Mungoman,

Interesting statistics. Particularly if you look at the distribution of the higher ratios.

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See the fine documentary, 'Idiocracy'.
Every time I go into university engineering departments these days I worry that we are already living in idiocracy. Millennials can't fix anything, and their understanding of out society's critical systems is terrifyingly spotty.
 

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Do we need to educate women or do we just need to give them crippling student debts?
Educating women means they will be less likely to breed. Dumping student debt on them improves that outcome by obliging them to work. I am going to crawl back into my barrel now, you keep blocking the sunlight.
 
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