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Hurricanes & Tropical Cyclones (General; Miscellaneous)

Mighty_Emperor

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It is always interesting to see how the impossible or incredibly rare seems to happen more often than people expect ;)

`Hurricane` Heading Toward Southern Brazil!



A South Atlantic Tropical Cyclone!?! Most literature dealing with tropical weather would agree: hurricanes are unknown over the southern Atlantic Ocean. Yet, as of early Friday, a storm with a well-formed eye about 300 miles east of southern Brazil has all the look of a hurricane. If indeed this is a tropical cyclone, it did not begin in the usual way; rather, it began as an ordinary "cool" trough that sat over warm seas for a few days. The atmospheric setting must have been "just right" to allow this trough to strengthen markedly while altering from cool-core to warm-core, and thus tropical, in nature.

Only one similar event has been recorded, and that was by the U.S. National Hurricane Center in 1991 when a strong tropical depression that formed off the west-central African coast moved into the central South Atlantic.

http://wwwa.accuweather.com/adcbin/public/headlines.asp?iws=0

The above page has a couple of satelitte photos for the meterologically minded.

Emps
 
Rare storm menacing Brazil

BRASILIA (AFP) Mar 28, 2004
Authorities advised coastal populations to take precautions as a rare storm with winds of up to 120 kilometers (100 miles) per hour came within 200 kilometers (120 miles) of southern Brazil.

"This warning was issued because trees of up to four meters (12 feet) could fall and there could be waves of up to four meters (12 feet)," an official at the national Meteorological Institute told AFP.

The officials said the storm would not become a hurricane, which has winds of at least 200 kilometers (120 miles) per hour, because the seas were not hot enough.

"The storm was advancing very slowly," the official said. "It may not make landfall."

Officials advised residents to stay indoors and to keep small craft in harbor in coming days.

Storms are rare at this time of year, although some are known to form near West Africa and move toward the Caribbean or the Gulf of Mexico, where warmer waters can feed them.

http://www.terradaily.com/2004/040328004447.lnq1crqt.html
 
Divine Wind? Nothing to do with you Emperor? :sceptic:
 
or cheap publicity?

Attempt being made to reduce hurricane's power

The Associated Press
Posted on: Friday, September 10, 2004

JACKSONVILLE — A South Florida businessman says he's going to try to reduce the strength of Hurricane Ivan by flying a Boeing 747 into the edge of the hurricane and dumping thousands of pounds of an absorbent material into the storm.

Peter Cordani of Jupiter plans to try to knock the storm down by one or two categories by dropping tons of powder that absorbs 3-thousand to 4-thousand times its weight.

Cordani is chief operating officer of Dyn-O-Mat, a company that sells environmental absorbent products such as mats for mechanics. He believes his product, SK1000, would cause a shearing action and a 15 degree cooling of the storm.

Cordani has been working on his plan for five years. He has assembled a team of experts, including two former astronauts, moonwalker Edgar Mitchell and Scott Mac Leod, who tested the lunar module.

Cordani is in contact talks to lease a 747 tanker from Evergreen Aviation in McMinnville, Oregon.

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© 2004 by NBC2 NEWS. All rights reserved.

http://www.nbc-2.com/articles/readarticle.asp?articleid=1386&z=3&p=
 
JACKSONVILLE — A South Florida businessman says he's going to try to reduce the strength of Hurricane Ivan by flying a Boeing 747 into the edge of the hurricane and dumping thousands of pounds of an absorbent material into the storm.

Might be a new way for disposing of nappies. They're absorbent. :D
 
It seems to me that dumping a huge qauntity of some sort of absorbent godknowswhat into an oncoming hurricane could possibly be a bit detrimental to the environment? I don't see how it couldn't be potentially hazardous to, at very least, the local fish and amphibian population if it were misapplied or didn't function to theorised specs. That said, Jeb Bush'll probably approve this wierdos request and help send FLA into an even further state of banged up poo.


And... a wee bit of kook-pot stirring just for the fun of it:

Originally posted by Emperor

Cordani is in contact talks to lease a 747 tanker from Evergreen Aviation in McMinnville, Oregon.

Evergreen Aviation (new home of the Spruce Goose, BTW) has long been rumored to have been involved in CIA sanctioned gun and drug running during the 80's. Reagan era Contra and coke stuff if I recall correctly.

Floridians, don your tinfoil hats now, if you so desire :D
 
Nukes? Why does some plantpot always suggest nukes as an answer to a problem?? This isn't the fifties.

Giant fans, nukes among amateur 'cane cures


Associated Press

Last update: 13 September 2004



JACKSONVILLE -- Amateur hurricane-busters have come up with any number of crackpot ideas to spare Florida from ferocious storms.

Among them: blowing hurricanes away with giant fans or blowing them up with nuclear warheads.

Even the federal government got into the act, with three decades of ill-fated research called "Project Stormfury" before shelving the idea of weather modification in the 1980s.

But dozens of ideas -- part hope, part fantasy -- continue to crop up among weather wonks, Internet bloggers and others who think they have come up with a way to spare coastal residents the misery of hurricanes.

Suggestions have included coating the surface of the water with olive oil; towing an iceberg down to Florida to cool down the water temperature; or building large fans on the coast to blow away approaching storms.

"And then there was a guy who called and said he could pray them away," said Hugh Willoughby, a research professor with the International Hurricane Center at Florida International University.

By far the most outlandish proposal, and one of the most recurrent, was the idea to use a nuclear warhead to blow a hurricane out of the water.

"Hurricanes are bad enough without being radioactive," Willoughby said. "Put that genie back in the bottle. Nuclear weapons are more dangerous than hurricanes."

Willoughby, who reviewed some of the proposed inventions when he was director of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's hurricane research division, said many of the ideas are quickly debunked for lacking a basic understanding of meteorology.

One government plan was to spread a substance on the water, but the wind and waves made it impossible to keep a slick, he said.

"All of these underestimate the scale of a storm," Willoughby said.

Still, one South Florida businessman thinks he has a winning idea -- flying a Boeing 747 into the monster storm, where it would hit it with tons of super absorbent powder, literally sucking it dry and breaking it apart.

Only a test will determine if it is a flight of fantasy, and there are no plans to try the process on the approaching Hurricane Ivan.

But businessman Peter Cordani, chief operating officer of Dyn-O-Mat, a company that sells environmental absorbent products, thinks he can knock down a storm by one or two categories.

He claims to have caused a thunderstorm to disappear in a test off Palm Beach, and he's assembled a team including two former astronauts to work on the plan.

"We have a lot of confidence in it," said Scott Mac Leod, one of the astronauts who tested the lunar module.

Others aren't so sure.

The government's Atlantic Oceanographic and Meteorological Laboratory describes the proposal as a long-shot: Any effect of the absorbent powder would be small, and require thousands of tons of goop, flown into the storm in hundreds of sorties every half hour or so.

Willoughby said the project would be "hugely expensive for not much benefit."

"It would really take all of the military heavy-lift aircraft that the United States has to carry the material, and there would be a major air traffic control problem around the eye," he told the AP last year.

The government suggests that amateur hurricane busters focus their energy on more realistic goals -- enforcing building codes, educating the public about preparedness and helping poorer nations prepare for the storms.

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On the Net:

National Hurricane Center: http://www.nhc.noaa.gov

Dyn-O-Mat: http://www.dynomat.com

International Hurricane Center: http://www.ihc.fiu.edu

http://www.news-journalonline.com/NewsJournalOnline/News/Florida/03FloridaSTAT01CANE091304.htm
 
Why few hurricanes? Experts blame El Niño
BY MAYA BELL
THE ORLANDO SENTINEL

October 4, 2006

MIAMI - Thank El Niño - for now. The same weather phenomenon that could bring a cooler, damper winter to Florida is tamping down hurricane activity so much that leading forecasters again downgraded predictions for the remainder of the 2006 season.

In a report released yesterday, atmospheric scientist William Gray of Colorado State University said he expects El Niño conditions to spawn only two more named storms in the Atlantic basin this year - both this month - with only one of them growing into a minimal category 1 or 2 hurricane.

If Gray and his lead research associate Phil Klotzbach are correct - which, given their errors already this year, could be a big if - the 2006 season will end up being almost average, instead of the much busier one they and federal forecasters had anticipated. Before the six-month season began June 1, Gray's team predicted 17 named storms and nine hurricanes, with five of those growing into intense or major storms of category 3 or higher.

But so far, the Atlantic basin has spawned nine named storms and five hurricanes, two of them intense. An average season produces almost 10 named storms, six of which become hurricanes and two of which become major ones.

"Of course we could be wrong because, as we just verified, our predictions are not perfect," Klotzbach said. "But people usually complain more if you forecast a little and there's a lot than if we forecast a lot and there's a little."

As forecasters also routinely note, even a below-average season can produce surprises. Case in point: Hurricane Andrew pummeled south Miami-Dade County in 1992, which was a slow year for hurricanes. It produced only six named storms.

link


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It's also been noted that the area of the Atlantic where hurricanes form is actually cooler ths year.
 
All I know about this is that less that a year ago - EVERYBODY - Psychics, Meteorologists, Futurists, Global Warmers, Skeptics - KNEW that the 1906 hurricane season would be much worse than even that of 2005.

You bet.
 
Thankfully, FEMA was still able to spend over $20 million here in Florida this year, mostly running puppet shows and "hurricane bingo".
 
Just think, it's been less than a decade since America's Conspiritologists were convinced that FEMA was the most cold-bloodily efficient organization since Heinrich Himmler's SS, poised to take dictatorial control of the United States and then round up all patriotic citizens for transport to concentration camps.

Back to the drawing board on THAT one.
 
THAT particular theory is still current. Seems that the Amtrak yards outside Indianapolis are actually a FEMA "concentration camp". The evidence? The barbed wire atop the fences surrounding the yards is slanted in, to keep people inside the fence. Sure has me convinced! But wait! The Medinah Country Club, in Medinah, Illinois, ALSO has barbed wire on top of its fences, and also slanted in. Hmmmm....maybe the idea is to keep trespassers INSIDE for ease of arrest and prosecution? Or is the PGA part of teh conspiracy? After all, the 2006 PGA Championship was played at Medinah.

;)
 
http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/enso_advisory/index.html

Synopsis: El Niño conditions are likely to continue into early 2007.


I suppose this gives the hurricane hassled residents more time to consider moving away from the coast. Trouble is that living by the coast is hard to give up.
 
It's not as if the dire predictions of horrendous hurricane seasons are in anyway accuarate.
 
Last couple of years way above average? This year way below average? As a newly minted resident of southern Florida all I can say is that regression to the mean is your friend. :D
 
The U.S. weather service issued another warning for hurricane season for the U.S. starting in September.

The hurricane season last year caused billions of dollars in damage in the U.S. being one of the worst seasons.
 
I'm surprised they need to issue a warning, surely everyone knows it's going to happen? I mean, it happens every year - they're even named it 'hurricane season'.
And I always wonder why, when you see pictures of an area destroyed by a hurricane, that all of the buildings appear to have been constructed from the most flimsy materials available?
 
IIRC we had a minor 'twister' event in Wolverhampton not too many years ago, and it caused thousands of pounds of improvements.
 
It is forecasted that out of 17 predicted hurricanes, because of climate change 4 will be a CAT 3 or more.

Climate change such as lately the summers are the hottest on record will produce human misery beyond imagination.
 
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I'm surprised they need to issue a warning, surely everyone knows it's going to happen? I mean, it happens every year - they're even named it 'hurricane season'.
And I always wonder why, when you see pictures of an area destroyed by a hurricane, that all of the buildings appear to have been constructed from the most flimsy materials available?
Would you rather be buried under thin plastic siding and rockwool, or bricks?
 
Maybe the houses should be constructed entirely out of 'dolls heads', cos they always appear to survive nuclear blasts (if films are to be believed).
 
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