Hybrid Animals

Maybe it was a muscovy duck? They look somewhere in between a goose and a duck.
 
definately not a muscovy (although i didnt know they were ducks :oops: )

nope - its got the beak and green neck of a mallard, and the body of a canada goose (the type of geese we get in the pond) and is halfway in size between a goose and duck
 
A Muscovy duck is actually a species of goose, I believe.
 
anome said:
A Muscovy duck is actually a species of goose, I believe.
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i suppose thats fair enough, if a peking duck is actually a fish...
 
right i've got the pictures of goose-duck and i'll hopefully manage to get them on line asap (bare with me, i'm no web specialist)

on a related note - a freind of mine phoned the british trust of conservation volunteers, and they told her geese and ducks can interbreed and do quite regularly
 
Cool. I do stand corrected then. Thanks for finding that out. :) Look forward to the pics.
 
Liger cubs nursed by dog in China's Xixiakou Zoo
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-13520472

Two liger cubs - a cross between a male lion and a female tiger - are being nursed by a dog at a zoo in Weihai, eastern China.

Four cubs were born at the Xixiakou Wildlife Zoo earlier this month but only two survived.

The mother stopped feeding the cubs after a few days so the dog, which had recently had its own puppies, was enlisted to help.

Ligers are extremely rare and are thought to only be born in captivity.

Zoo spokesman Cong Wen said it was not clear why the tiger had stopped feeding her cubs, the Associated Press reports.

But she said that after some initial problems, the pair were feeding well from their canine stepmother.

Although they are a different species, tigers and lions are of the same genus so are able to breed together.

Ligers are the largest known cat, usually growing much larger than either parent.
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Ewe you won't believe your eyes... Irish farmer proud owner of half-goat half-sheep 'geep'
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/ew ... 52258.html

Kildare pub owner and sheep farmer Paddy Murphy is now in fact the proud owner of a ‘geep’, a half-goat half-sheep hybrid. (Photo: Paddy Murphy/Independent.ie)

DENISE CALNAN – PUBLISHED 03 APRIL 2014 01:23 PM

Paddy Murphy thought it was a sign of good luck – to have a black lamb among white.

But it turns out the Kildare pub owner and sheep farmer is now in fact the proud owner of a ‘geep’, a half-goat, half-sheep.

“They were all normal lambs except this fella,” he told independent.ie

“He was born about midnight and I noticed it was black for a start, but it was very fast to move. It was too fast for a lamb.

“It also has much longer legs than a lamb, it was then I realised it must be a geep.”

Paddy, who owns Murphy’s pub in Ballymore Eustace, said the unusual looking lamb, which also has horns, has caused a bit of a stir in the local area.
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Earliest humanmade hybrid.

In the third millennium B.C.E., a strange group of donkeylike creatures was buried alongside royals in an ancient city east of what is now Aleppo, Syria.

Archaeologists reckoned the animals were “kungas,” a rare type of ass highly prized by Bronze Age Mesopotamian elites. Yet their true biological identity has remained a mystery. Now, a genetic study of the bones reveals the enigmatic beast was the offspring of a female donkey with a male wild ass, making it the first humanmade hybrid documented in the archaeological record.

“This is the answer to a long-held question” of the kunga’s identity, says Benjamin Arbuckle, a zooarchaeologist at the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill, who was not part of the study. “Finally having this confirmation from the bones is incredible,” adds Laerke Recht, a zooarchaeologist at the University of Graz who also was not involved.

By 3000 B.C.E., several types of donkeys and related animals roamed the Near and Middle East, including the Syrian wild ass and the domesticated donkey. Horses weren’t widely adopted in the region until the following millennium, so their stockier cousins played essential roles in agriculture, transportation, and warfare in the ancient kingdoms of Syria.

https://www.science.org/content/art...-may-be-first-known-hybrid-animal-made-humans
 
Article exploring the existence (or nonexistence) of jumarts - alleged hybrids produced by crossing cattle (Bos taurus) with either horses (Equus caballus) or donkeys (Equus asinus).
Warning, article contains explicit videos of inter-species sex!

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http://www.macroevolution.net/jumarts.html
 
blessmycottonsocks said:
Article exploring the existence (or nonexistence) of jumarts - alleged hybrids produced by crossing cattle (Bos taurus) with either horses (Equus caballus) or donkeys (Equus asinus).
Warning, article contains explicit videos of inter-species sex!

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http://www.macroevolution.net/jumarts.html
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I'd never heard of a jumart. This is interesting, as equines and oxes are in different orders. I remain unconvinced, but there seems a lot of anecdotal evidence for now.
 
PeteByrdie said:
I'd never heard of a jumart. This is interesting, as equines and oxes are in different orders. I remain unconvinced, but there seems a lot of anecdotal evidence for now.
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I was highly sceptical too, but the evidence provided does seem reasonably solid.
The conclusion that the jumart is possible but exceedingly rare, due to the low chances of a successful conception and the offspring of a bull and mare being carried to term, does not sound unreasonable.

A slightly more sceptical article is available as a PDF at the link below.
It covers much of the same ground, with some of the same photos, including the very odd-looking skull.
I note that the author declares that the existence of jumarts is generally accepted in French agricultural culture and I wish I'd had the chance to discuss this with my late father-in-law (a French farmer, who kept cattle).
The author though concludes that a viable taurus/equus offspring is "highly unlikely" (although not impossible).

https://repository.uantwerpen.be/docman/irua/da7996/135746.pdf
 
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I was highly sceptical too, but the evidence provided does seem reasonably solid.
The conclusion that the jumart is possible but exceedingly rare, due to the low chances of a successful conception and the offspring of a bull and mare being carried to term, does not sound unreasonable.
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And yet, my whole being is screaming at me, 'Nooo!' Horses may seem like big, hornless, athletic cows to us, but of course they're more closely related to rhinos than to bovines. But the evidence, anecdotal as it currently is, warrants further research, especially as there are specimens available for DNA analysis. This doesn't seem like a mystery that need remain in the realm of speculation, if the will exists to examine it scientifically.
 
The kooloo-kamba or Koolakamba is a possible gorilla/chimp hybrid, which has been reported in Africa as early as the mid 19th century.
Whilst hard evidence to support its existence seems to be minimal, zoologist Peter Jenkins photographed a strange looking ape in Yaounde Zoo (Camaroon) in November 1996, with a wider face and a larger skull than that of a chimpanzee but smaller than that of a gorilla and suspected that the creature might be a gorilla-chimp hybrid.

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The first link includes a reference to this being reported in issue 100 of Fortean Times.

https://scienceblogs.com/tetrapodzoology/2009/12/31/yaounde-zoo-mystery-ape
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koolakamba
https://cryptidz.fandom.com/wiki/Koolakamba
 
Alleged moose-horse hybrid in Quebec.

"On May 5th, 2006, at Saint-Jogues, Quebec, a community about 20 kilometers north of the coastal town of Paspébiac, a mare foaled a colt (pictured below) that its owner, François Larocque, insisted was the result a mating with a bull moose.

Larocque claimed the mare in question had no access to a fertile stallion during the time that she would have had to conceive. He also pointed out that her offspring had unusually long legs, long woolly ears, a muzzle that curved downward (as in a moose), and two bumps on its head at the points where antlers might be expected to emerge. So most of the similarity to moose in this animal seems to be from the neck up. As Larocque later told the newspaper Le Soleil: “When the mare gave birth, my sisters said: ‘It has a moose head.’

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Female Moose, for comparison

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http://www.macroevolution.net/moose-horse-hybrids.html
 
blessmycottonsocks said:
Alleged moose-horse hybrid in Quebec.

"On May 5th, 2006, at Saint-Jogues, Quebec, a community about 20 kilometers north of the coastal town of Paspébiac, a mare foaled a colt (pictured below) that its owner, François Larocque, insisted was the result a mating with a bull moose.

Larocque claimed the mare in question had no access to a fertile stallion during the time that she would have had to conceive. He also pointed out that her offspring had unusually long legs, long woolly ears, a muzzle that curved downward (as in a moose), and two bumps on its head at the points where antlers might be expected to emerge. So most of the similarity to moose in this animal seems to be from the neck up. As Larocque later told the newspaper Le Soleil: “When the mare gave birth, my sisters said: ‘It has a moose head.’

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Female Moose, for comparison

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http://www.macroevolution.net/moose-horse-hybrids.html
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DNA?
 
blessmycottonsocks said:
Alleged moose-horse hybrid in Quebec.

"On May 5th, 2006, at Saint-Jogues, Quebec, a community about 20 kilometers north of the coastal town of Paspébiac, a mare foaled a colt (pictured below) that its owner, François Larocque, insisted was the result a mating with a bull moose.

Larocque claimed the mare in question had no access to a fertile stallion during the time that she would have had to conceive. He also pointed out that her offspring had unusually long legs, long woolly ears, a muzzle that curved downward (as in a moose), and two bumps on its head at the points where antlers might be expected to emerge. So most of the similarity to moose in this animal seems to be from the neck up. As Larocque later told the newspaper Le Soleil: “When the mare gave birth, my sisters said: ‘It has a moose head.’

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Female Moose, for comparison

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http://www.macroevolution.net/moose-horse-hybrids.html
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Horses are perissodactyls, odd toed ungulates, a group that include horses, rhinos and tapirs. Moose are a type of artiodactyls, even toes ungulates that include deer, antelopes, pigs, hippos, giraffes, camels, sheep, goats and cattle. The two are not closely related enough to breed.
 
Did Alexander the Great ride a Jumart?

The famous military commander's warhorse was described as a huge, muscular beast. It was named Bucephalus, meaning ox-headed.
The reason for this is usually stated that it bore an oxen brand.
Interestingly though, ancient depictions of Bucephalus show it as having bovine-like horns. Obviously, these may be armour accoutrements, but interesting nonetheless.

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blessmycottonsocks said:
Did Alexander the Great ride a Jumart?

The famous military commander's warhorse was described as a huge, muscular beast. It was named Bucephalus, meaning ox-headed.
The reason for this is usually stated that it bore an oxen brand.
Interestingly though, ancient depictions of Bucephalus show it as having bovine-like horns. Obviously, these may be armour accoutrements, but interesting nonetheless.

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As you say interesting but I'd guess armour. Alexander wore a ram's horn helmet as he believed himself the son of Ammon and as he was nicer to Bucephalus than he was to most of his commanders I'd guess he dressed him up as well.
Sorry, prejudice showing there, I think Alexander was a much over rated little psychopath... :)
 
Sadly, just missed the Alexander the Great: The Making of a Myth exhibition at the British Library, which closed on 23rd February 2023.

https://www.bl.uk/events/alexander-the-great-the-making-of-a-myth

It apparently featured a very comprehensive collection of Alexander material with many ancient and medieval depictions of his rather strange horse, often shown as having horns:

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Return of the Swoose: 'Evil' hybrid bird finds its way back to Norfolk village​

Beeston Regis welcomes 'the Swoose' home​

'A hybrid bird, known as the Swoose, has returned to its North Norfolk home after it was tracked down to a museum in London.

The Swoose was hatched at Abbey Farm in Beeston Regis, near Sheringham, on April 10 1911 and was the result of breeding between a swan and a goose.'

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https://www.northnorfolknews.co.uk/...eQtHLrvUAqddPXu97Q_aem_nfvGXB-eAw5NnW1hBLR4-g

There's a Swoose, loose, aboot this hoos.
 
Swifty said:

Return of the Swoose: 'Evil' hybrid bird finds its way back to Norfolk village​

Beeston Regis welcomes 'the Swoose' home​

'A hybrid bird, known as the Swoose, has returned to its North Norfolk home after it was tracked down to a museum in London.

The Swoose was hatched at Abbey Farm in Beeston Regis, near Sheringham, on April 10 1911 and was the result of breeding between a swan and a goose.'

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https://www.northnorfolknews.co.uk/...eQtHLrvUAqddPXu97Q_aem_nfvGXB-eAw5NnW1hBLR4-g

There's a Swoose, loose, aboot this hoos.
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I am presuming that they have DNA evidence that this is the case? Because otherwise some big questions have to be answered from someone who sat about to watch the matings...
 
catseye said:
... big questions have to be answered from someone who sat about to watch the matings...
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Normal for Norfolk catseye.

edit: Someone's offered this explanation instead: "It's a coscoroba swan from south America."

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Or is it?. There are records of goose/swan hybrids.

https://uniquebird.com/pages/swoose-swan-goose-hybrid

'Observations of the Swoose have been recorded as early as 2004. On the River Froome in Dorset, birders witness a mute swan mating with a domestic goose to produce a single swoose. Members of the Radipole Ringing Group observed the pairing. Despite indications that Swoose rarely survives past the fledgling stage, this individual continued to survive years later.

It wasn't until 2010 when photographs online sparked birder interest once again around the Swoose. These images seemed to confirm the Dorset Swoose was alive and thriving. Observers collected feathers from the Swoose preening site and from its parents to send for genetic analysis. This would confirm that this individual was indeed a Swoose. Tragically the feather samples were lost before scientists could conduct research.

The Dorset Swoose is usually observed in the company of a mute swan and young cygnets, though it is unknown whether they are related.'
 
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Swifty said:
Normal for Norfolk catseye.

edit: Someone's offered this explanation instead: "It's a coscoroba swan from south America."

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Or is it?. There are records of goose/swan hybrids.

https://uniquebird.com/pages/swoose-swan-goose-hybrid

'Observations of the Swoose have been recorded as early as 2004. On the River Froome in Dorset, birders witness a mute swan mating with a domestic goose to produce a single swoose. Members of the Radipole Ringing Group observed the pairing. Despite indications that Swoose rarely survives past the fledgling stage, this individual continued to survive years later.

It wasn't until 2010 when photographs online sparked birder interest once again around the Swoose. These images seemed to confirm the Dorset Swoose was alive and thriving. Observers collected feathers from the Swoose preening site and from its parents to send for genetic analysis. This would confirm that this individual was indeed a Swoose. Tragically the feather samples were lost before scientists could conduct research.

The Dorset Swoose is usually observed in the company of a mute swan and young cygnets, though it is unknown whether they are related.'
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I would just say that observing the 'mating' does not necessarily mean that the offspring was the result of said mating, when you have to take into account the whole egg-laying, incubation and hatching process. You are looking at up to 42 days incubation. How could anyone say that any given egg was the result of any given mating when you have such a long time between events, and possibly other eggs laid at the same time?
 
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I would just say that observing the 'mating' does not necessarily mean that the offspring was the result of said mating, when you have to take into account the whole egg-laying, incubation and hatching process. You are looking at up to 42 days incubation. How could anyone say that any given egg was the result of any given mating when you have such a long time between events, and possibly other eggs laid at the same time?
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You sound like a defence lawyer for either the goose or the swan catseye. :)
 
Honkers and quackers, geese and ducks, do have a remarkable propensity to cross breed with each other. Unusual hybrids occour very often amongst them, but swans....nah, probably not.
 
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