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In Search Of Werewolves & Dogmen

Now with Small Town Monsters producing a flurry of exaggerate stuff like this, expect the topic to become even more popular and ridiculous.
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Undoubtedly the biggest difference between Dogman and a Werewolf is the latter's ability to transform. The belief is very widespread in my country and in fact I have posted several testimonies in

https://forums.forteana.org/index.p...eatures-in-folklore-from-south-america.71145/

There are many more but they all link the transformation with some concept of curse or witchcraft. The interesting thing about the case of the werewolf is that it usually needs a piece of skin (It would not be a wolf in my country, since there is no such species) and after rolling on it the transformation occurs. An aspect closely linked to Skinwalkers
 
Sharon Hill said:
Now with Small Town Monsters producing a flurry of exaggerate stuff like this, expect the topic to become even more popular and ridiculous.
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Their 'Land Between the Lakes' work so far has been disappointing with a lot of chat but nothing to back up their claims. When Small Town Monsters started out it produced some sterling documentaries on the Flatwoods Monster/UFO, Beast of Bray Road, the Chestnut Ridge high strangeness and On the Trail of Bigfoot but the standard has definitely slipped since then.
 
Paul_Exeter said:
Their 'Land Between the Lakes' work so far has been disappointing with a lot of chat but nothing to back up their claims. When Small Town Monsters started out it produced some sterling documentaries on the Flatwoods Monster/UFO, Beast of Bray Road, the Chestnut Ridge high strangeness and On the Trail of Bigfoot but the standard has definitely slipped since then.
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That whole deal (LBTL) is turning into another case of making a place paranormal. They trawl for any hint and blow it out of proportion. But they get the ideas from the originator (just as they did with the Dogman "triangle" BS) and by making the programming, they promote it more. It's just a joke at this point. Also, they have deluged us with stuff lately. You can't keep up with all of it and the quality is low. However, Seth and Co are always stars at these para-cons they are invited to. It's paranormal packaged for the masses - shallow and overdramatic.
 
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Sharon Hill said:
That whole deal (LBTL) is turning into another case of making a place paranormal. They trawl for any hint and blow it out of proportion. But they get the ideas from the originator (just as they did with the Dogman "triangle" BS and by making the programming, they promote it more. It's just a joke at this point. Also, they have deluged us with stuff lately. You can't keep up with all of it and the quality is low. However, Seth and Co are always stars at these para-cons they are invited to. It's paranormal packaged for the masses - shallow and overdramatic.
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Hard to disagree with that. Their original premise was to seek out the original witnesses to 'famous' cases, hence Flatwoods, Bray Road, Point Pleasant Mothman etc but that seems to have been abandoned in favour of what you describe in your post
 
Paul_Exeter said:
Hard to disagree with that. Their original premise was to seek out the original witnesses to 'famous' cases, hence Flatwoods, Bray Road, Point Pleasant Mothman etc but that seems to have been abandoned in favour of what you describe in your post
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Sometimes I think that we ask too much of television series, they may have a good proposal but it needs to be economically profitable. In 2002 there was a cable channel in Latin America called Infinito in which I had some participation. They had proposed to me to work on a series of investigations and then produce them as a series. When I met with them I told them that I did not want to receive any payment on the condition of being faithful to what had really happened in each case to be investigated. If it was false or a confusion, it had to be said. I also proposed to use my salary to purchase publications abroad that did not reach my country. You will understand why those programs were never made.
 
Fabio Picasso said:
Sometimes I think that we ask too much of television series, they may have a good proposal but it needs to be economically profitable.
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This is the fault of the viewing public though, rather than the companies making the programmes. The general public wants woo, jump scares, lots of earnest people saying that they 'definitely' saw what they said they saw with no possibility of mistake. They don't want someone coming on later and saying 'well, we've looked into this and we think it was a deer/dog/fox with mange' because then the entire programme becomes pointless.

It is, in short, all about the woo. Real or imagined.
 
In short, television reaches the entire public in an entertaining way andattracts by advertising the mystery, true investigations are boring, arid, difficult to get the public and therefore are not good business for any company or investor.

Another difficult issue to handle are sites like YouTube where we can see videos that lack the slightest rigor and veracity, however they are very attractive and are seen by millions of people.

The truth is difficult to find, however today it is almost impossible to achieve it.
 
catseye said:
This is the fault of the viewing public though, rather than the companies making the programmes. The general public wants woo, jump scares, lots of earnest people saying that they 'definitely' saw what they said they saw with no possibility of mistake. They don't want someone coming on later and saying 'well, we've looked into this and we think it was a deer/dog/fox with mange' because then the entire programme becomes pointless.

It is, in short, all about the woo. Real or imagined.
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It's a bit of a circle though - the programs are edited to push particular viewing patterns, and the public follows along without knowing it, thus validating and reinforcing the producers'/editors'/networks' actions.
 
chanubi said:
It's a bit of a circle though - the programs are edited to push particular viewing patterns, and the public follows along without knowing it, thus validating and reinforcing the producers'/editors'/networks' actions.
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Well exactly. We can only see the programmes that are available for us to watch, even if we'd rather see something else. The programme makers might have had better ideas, but been told by those in power that 'nobody will watch that, you need more monsters'. So we watch what we are given, even though it might not be our choice.

We need better programme makers or makers of better programmes, but the advertisers ultimately decide.
 
catseye said:
Well exactly. We can only see the programmes that are available for us to watch, even if we'd rather see something else. The programme makers might have had better ideas, but been told by those in power that 'nobody will watch that, you need more monsters'. So we watch what we are given, even though it might not be our choice.

We need better programme makers or makers of better programmes, but the advertisers ultimately decide.
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Having been approached by probably a dozen TV producers regarding shows, they are almost always derivative, using a format that has worked before: Paranormal is real, things are dramatic, skeptic vs believer (where the latter is shown to be correct), there is more out there than we think... etm.

They have little impetus to make actually useful programming. It's all cheap entertainment and misinformation. Often they won't pay much for real experts (who are too busy to do a TV show for several weeks) so they get spotlight chasing amateurs, or worse, know-nothings who will simply make stuff up.
 
Paul Sinclair likes to ramble (and ramble on a bit) but this is an interesting cryptid account:

One Man's Terrifying Account Leaves Him Shocked​



Given the low light I suppose it is possible a stag spooked him that then stood head on towards him.

This is a corker from the comments:

christinewalters4691​

13 days ago
My ex partner saw something very similar out in upper chute in Wiltshire which is a little hamlet with a giant Causeway. They were up to no good at 3am in 1994!! Robbing phone boxes!! While they were trying to get the coin box open titch heard something shone the torch in that direction and saw a tyre swing swinging and thought just that. It just a tyre swing swinging, then thought it 3 in the morning what’s the hell is swinging that. Shone the torch back over and the was what he said was an 8f beast just standing there! Obviously they (he was the only one that saw it as the other were busy) all did a runner. Unfortunately titch was killed in a car crash in 1996. But he had no reason to lie to me and it really shook him. All the fellas would take the mick and he would laugh along but he wouldnt go out there again not even in the day!

This is intriguing, too:

bigg7047​

10 days ago
I have mentioned something like this before but not in the woods I am an ex HGV1 driver. I was at work in Leeds just closing up my trailer when I look around and for a second saw something like a werewolf it was bright yelllow and looked like it was being electrocuted I know it’s strange but that’s the only way I can describe it. It lasted about a second and then was gone.
 
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Sharon Hill said:
Now with Small Town Monsters producing a flurry of exaggerate stuff like this, expect the topic to become even more popular and ridiculous.
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I watched one mashup of the Land Between the Lakes content from STM. (I think they get a pile of content and then remix it into movies and shorter special "episodes" of series.) LBL is Kentucky/Tennessee and is the current rising hotspot paranormal place. I wish I had my paranormal Bingo card for this show. It had almost everything (except, surprisingly, UFOs). Even demonic stuff is alluded to, but not explicitly. Here are the notes I shared with my own person invisible college team:

Land between the Lakes stuff: Missing and dead people, Bigfoot working with dogman, Bigfoot fighting dogman, government suppression of deaths both historic and recent, a terrible dogman-costumed actor, infrasound and "being zapped", "I heard it on a podcast", it leaves X-shaped tree structures, use prayers to get rid of Dogman, creatures hang around cemeteries, creature won't walk through the Catholic cemetery but around it, doesn't like when you clean the tombstones, some people draw them in and have multiple encounters, wolves exist here still, the suppression and hardships of the people who were kicked off their property meant a bitterness soaked into the land, cursed land, might be a gugwe there as well (in between dogman and Bigfoot in characteristics), people call it a werewolf, it's passing in and out of our reality so we can't find it, psychic communication, creatures are conjured as a result of revenge against the Tennessee Valley Authority (that created the park), the iron mining took all the protection out of the ground, "window" area, garbled speech heard from them, hiding in the trees, people using K2 meters in the woods.

It was hard to keep up with all the metaphorical spaghetti they threw at the wall. Some of it is going to stick.
 
Sharon Hill said:
Having been approached by probably a dozen TV producers regarding shows, they are almost always derivative, using a format that has worked before: Paranormal is real, things are dramatic, skeptic vs believer (where the latter is shown to be correct), there is more out there than we think... etm.

They have little impetus to make actually useful programming. It's all cheap entertainment and misinformation. Often they won't pay much for real experts (who are too busy to do a TV show for several weeks) so they get spotlight chasing amateurs, or worse, know-nothings who will simply make stuff up.
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To be honest it's the same in the world of books. People want something that's exactly the same as the last thing, only different. Which means that endless content is churned out that is pretty much a carbon copy of everything else - because the public don't want surprises.
 
catseye said:
To be honest it's the same in the world of books. People want something that's exactly the same as the last thing, only different. Which means that endless content is churned out that is pretty much a carbon copy of everything else - because the public don't want surprises.
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Yeah, agreed. That's why we have an entire genre of "Paranormal Romance". Eww.
 
Paul_Exeter said:
Just about the time that witnesses stopped reporting close encounters with landed UFOs and their humanoid occupants. I can find you many such cases from before the mid-1990s but not after.
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I think that this type of phenomenon behaves cyclically so we can find these types of waves of encounters with humanoids or strange creatures.
In my country, the presence of UFOs and their occupants has also decreased enormously to give rise perhaps from 2002, to set a date, to livestock mutilating creatures (Chupavabras), Bigfoot-like beings or hairy humanoids, werewolves and goblins.
 
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