Indigo Children: Next Step In Human Evolution?

What are these people doing to their children?!?!?!?!

This amount of pandering cannot be good for anyone....
 
Thestral said:
Well, whatever the literary precedents, it all sounds like awfully good fun, and since I feel I could use some extra attention, I have decided that I am clearly an indigo adult :D

I'm with you on that - I can tell you are by your aura (or something - probably because you just told me). This fits perfectly:

However, in the 1970s a major wave of Indigos was born, and so we have a whole generation of Indigos who are now in their late twenties and early thirties who are about to take their place as leaders in the world.

Unfortunately the admission that there are quite a lot of older people like this too rather flies in the face of their theory that this is a new and recent step. As crazy as it may sound perhaps thats just the way some people are.

I like this:

The older children (approximately age 7 through 25), called "indigo Children", share some charcateristics with the Crystal Children. Both generations are highly sensitive and psychic, and have important life purposes. The main difference is their temperament. Indigos have a warrior spirit, because their collective purpose is to mash down old systems that no longer serve us. They are here to quash government, educational, and legal systems that lack integrity. To accomplish this end, they need tempers and fiery determination.

SNIP

In contrast, the Crystal Children are blissful and even-tempered. Sure, they may have tantrums occasionally, but these children are largely forgiving and easy-going. The Crystals are the generation who benefit from the Indigos trailblazing. First, the Indigo Children lead with a machete, cutting down anything that lacks integrity. Then the Crystal Children follow the cleared path, into a safer and more secure world.

Or perhaps this might just be you know what kids are like - getting to be a pain in the arse when they approach their teens?

Anyway quibbles aside its time to get our armies of Indigo and Crystal (Christ-al - geddit) children together and start kicking ass.
 
Im an Indigo Adult, -definately, but count me out, I cant draw swastickas right...
 
Thestral said:
Well, whatever the literary precedents, it all sounds like awfully good fun, and since I feel I could use some extra attention, I have decided that I am clearly an indigo adult :D

Me too :lol:

The Otherkin wouldn't let me be a Dragon and I score 24/25 of the catagories for Indigohood so... :p ;) :roll:
 
May be extremely emotionally sensitive including crying at the drop of a hat (no shielding) Or may be the opposite and show no expression of emotion (full shielding).
Since the word 'may' indicates that an Indigo may have neither of these extremes, this so-called 'characteristic' applies to everyone. :shock:

I could probably be equally critical of some of the other characteristics.

The whole thing looks a bit like cold reading to me, where almost anyone can identify to some extent with some rather generalised statements.

I am a Scarlet (I think it's something to do with me liver!) :D
 
Indigo? Just another name for purple- and everyone knows about my affinity with purple. I've been saying for years that I am actually Queen of the World. Obviously it is my destiny to lead the Indigo Children. :twisted:

This is just another money spinning cult for the credulous. A straw to clutch for parents who are having problems with their kids. (Parenting is difficult and fraught with guilt, doubt and confusion? No shit Sherlock.) It's incredibly tasteless because it's kids lives that are being played with. Nice for the parents though. Throw some money at the nice man and he'll tell you that you don't have to take responsibility for your kids upbringing- it's all to do with evolution and they know everything already anyway. A very helpful attitude for the kids when they get out into the big bad world, that incidentally won't buy "I'm an Indigo child." as an excuse for bad behaviour. :roll:
 
rynner said:
May be extremely emotionally sensitive including crying at the drop of a hat (no shielding) Or may be the opposite and show no expression of emotion (full shielding).
Since the word 'may' indicates that an Indigo may have neither of these extremes, this so-called 'characteristic' applies to everyone. :shock:

I could probably be equally critical of some of the other characteristics.

The whole thing looks a bit like cold reading to me, where almost anyone can identify to some extent with some rather generalised statements.

Yep its one long Barnhum Statement.
 
More literary antecedents...

One very old, possibly one of the first Homo superior stories is 'Odd John' by Olaf Stapledon from the mid 1930s. Stapledon is a writer who's way out of fashion now, but wrote some very strange metaphysical SF such as 'Last and First Men' (about the entire evolution of the human race), 'Star Maker', and 'Sirius' (about a dog with a human mind).

Odd John is on of those humans, now a cliche in SF, who's evolved telepathy.

This review claims that it's the first superhuman novel: Odd John. I'm sure there're other older ones.
 
Timble: I knew you'd come up with something good ;)

Science Fiction Studies
#28 = Volume 9, Part 3 = November 1982

Roy Arthur Swanson

The Spiritual Factor in Odd John and Sirius

Abstract .--It seems logical that spirituality, as the human experience of the divine, should decrease in proportion to the achievement of superhumanity. Demigods may be less spiritual than humans, and gods may not be spiritual at all. Spiritual beings are usually humble before their gods, and humility may not be a trait of the gods. The hypothesis is pessimistic because it posits the limitation of spirituality and implies that arrogance and indifference are attributes of the divine. The limitation of spirituality must hold that to be spiritual is to be human, and to be human is to be spiritual: these corollaries appear in works as remote from each other as John Scotus Erigena's De Divisione naturae (9th century) and Vercors' Les Animaux dénaturés (1952), and they inform Olaf Stapledon's dyed of disaster, Odd John (1935) and Sirius (1944). In Stapledon's companion-pieces, Sirius, a dog coming into human status, achieves and welcomes spirituality, and John, a human coming into superhuman status, reluctantly and even tearfully sloughs spirituality. The superman, John Wainwright, and the superdog, Sirius, appear to warrant our admiration because each has transcended his species; but Stapledon directs our concern to the dangers of transcendence and shows us how easy it is to applaud our own imminent destruction as a species.

http://www.depauw.edu/sfs/abstracts/a28.htm#i28

The links between Prox Xavier and Odd John:

http://www.novanotes.com/aug2004/aug32004.htm

Although it should be out of copyright soon it seems like it has had its copyright renwed:

STAPLEDON, AGNES ZENA.

Odd John. SEE STAPLEDON, OLAF.


STAPLEDON, OLAF.

Odd John. (In The portable novels
of science) © 24Sep45; A190573.
Agnes Zena Stapledon (W); 28Sep72;
R536539.

http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/11846

I also found this:

SUPERMEN:
extra powers make characters more than human

All alienated young boys and girls daydream about having powers and
abilities that would set them above their tormenting peers and indifferent
adults. This wish-fulfillment fantasy has deep resonance with an
examination of what it means to be human. We don't mean merely being very
strong and heroic, but having mental abilities that show us the world in a
different light, allow us to forge a new destiny, and yet pay the price in
being more different and lonely than ordinary humans.

David Hartwell [Age of Wonders, New York: Walker, 1984, p.16] comments
that "SF people know, for instance, that Superman is real SF. In his book
'Seekers of Tomorrow', Sam Moskowitz tells the story of the teenage fans
associated with the creation of the character and its early publication in
Action Comics in 1938 -- and if the first generation of science fiction
people had produced nothing more than Superman and Buck Rogers, the effect
of science fiction on Am,erican culture would still have been profound."

SUPERMEN

1. "Food of the Gods" by H. G. Wells (1904)
2. you are what you eat "The Overman" by Upton Sinclair (1906)
3. isolated man grows superior "The Hampdenshire Wonder" by J. D. Beresford (1911)
4. super-child develops "The Gladiator" by Phillip Wylie (1930)
5. inspiration for comicstrip "Superman" "Seeds of Life" by John Taine [Eric Temple Bell] (1931)
6. "The Intelligence Gigantic" by John Russell Fearn (1933)
7. "Odd John" by Olaf Stapledon [Dutton, 1936; Galaxy novel #8; Berkley; Dover; Garland, 1976]
8. "The Gland Superman" by Ed Earl Repp (1938)
9. "The New Adam" by Stanley G. Weinbaum (1939)
10. "Slan" by A. E. Van Vogt (1940)
11. "The World of Null-A" by A. E. Van Vogt's (1945)
12. cloned hero super-smart "Brain Wave" by Poul Anderson (1954)
13. all animals and people become geniuses "The Reassembled Man" by Herbert Kastle [New York: Fawcett Gold Medal, 1964]
14. Extraterrestrials rebuild a human to have super powers and altered sexuality. "The Inner Wheel" by Keith Roberts (1970)
15. "The Computer Connection" (a.k.a. "Extro") by Alfred Bester (1974)


Some Supermen also have EXTRA-SENSORY PERCEPTION
and some become Messiah figures, including:

1. Paul Atreides = Muad'Dib, in "Dune" by Frank Herbert [Chilton, 1965; Science Fiction Book Club; Ace; Berkley] and sequels
2. John Cave, in "Messiah" by Gore Vidal [Dutton, 1954; Ballentine; Bantam]
3. Colin Charteris, in "Barefoot in the Head" by Brian Aldiss [Doubleday, 1970; Ace]
4. Jerry Cornelius, in "The Final Programme" by Michael Moorcock [Avon, 1968; Greg, 1976] and sequels
5. Palmer Eldrich in "The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldrich" by Philip K. Dick [Doubleday, 1965; Science Fiction Book Club; McFadden-Bartell; Bantam]
6. Michael Valentine Smith in "Stranger in a Strange Land" by Robert Heinlein [Putnam, 1961; Science Fiction Book Club; Avon; Berkley]
7. Vornan-19 in "The Masks of Time" by Robert Silverberg [Ballentine Books, 1968]

http://www.magicdragon.com/UltimateSF/t ... l#supermen
 
Since we are discussing science fiction stories in which the idea of 'Indigo Children' has been used, I should mention one of my own favourites; 'Time', by Stephen Baxter.
He draws on a lot of peculiar stuff for this book; Freeman Dyson's scenario for the deep future, Feynmann's quantum time travelling information, Martin Ree's vacuum phase change;
but the Indigo Children (renamed the 'Blue Children' for the book) develop superscience by themselves, escape to the Moon, kill people with a nugget of Quark Matter, and - oh well, that would be telling.
 
Never read `Odd john`

I enjoyed `Sirius` tho`

What was Olaf Stapledons main work?, title cant remember...I liked that too.
 
Homo Aves said:
Never read `Odd john`

I enjoyed `Sirius` tho`

What was Olaf Stapledons main work?, title cant remember...I liked that too.

'Last and First Men' or 'Star Maker' (the latter is my favourite of his novels)
 
Whilst trying to stay OT, but attempting to side step the issue of indigo and crystal children and adults, the concept of a mass evolution of the human race is certainly interesting, depending on how you perceive evolution to take place. Even Darwin had misgivings about his own theory, so just to suspend a total belief in the Darwinian theory for a while could throw up some interesting possibilities.

For me, humanity has now reached a stage where a physical evolution has become largely redundant, given the fact that (at least in Western society) we have everything available to us on a plate. As we can now conceivably live our lives without having to utilise our physical strength, this ultimately could lead to a grand mental evolution which would not be dissimilar to this indigo malarky, but not so much along the lines of it being some kind of grand plan to raise the awareness of humanity to the 34th akashic level of multi-dimensional awareness or similar, but to enable an evolution of thought. Of course, our conditioning as youngsters in an education system which does not provide tailor-made solutions to meet individual requirements (a long standing bugbear of mine) would, as I see it, prevent this from occuring to such a significant degree, and I find myself tipping my hat slightly to the indigo-ites in suggesting that there are a great many youngsters who are frustrated and ultimately hindered by a system which does not have the remit to address the fact that they're much more capable than their peers, and so therefore may suffer a stunted development in their formative years, and only being able to do what they feel that they actually -want- to do when they move on to further eduction, by which time the deep-seated frustrations with the system may prevent them from pursuing their personal goals.
 
Ignoring any contentious parts of the indigo idea, and just taking it that they are a step in human evolution - why is it assumed that it is a superior and long lasting offshoot of the current line?
Could just as easily be an evolutionary dead end, there has been plenty before after all.
Is intelligence as big an advantage as supposed?
In my experience the willingness to work hard and be focussed is much more likely to get you a mate/home/adequate food/heat in any form of society, and therby ensure the continuation of your line.
 
AMPHIARAUS said:
In my experience the willingness to work hard and be focussed is much more likely to get you a mate/home/adequate food/heat in any form of society, and therby ensure the continuation of your line.

That's me knackered then, mate.
 
January 12, 2006

Are They Here to Save the World?

By JOHN LELAND

AT a coffee shop in TriBeCa one morning two weeks ago, David Minh Wong, age 7, was in constant motion. He played with quarters on the table. He dropped them on the floor. He leaned on his mother and walked away.

"Tell him I'm strong," he said to his mother, Yolanda Badillo, 50. She sat in a booth with a neighbor, who was there with her goddaughter.

"I woke up at 2:16 this morning, and it wasn't raining," he said.

"I'm getting bored," he said.

At David's public school, where he is in a program for gifted and talented second graders, a teacher told Ms. Badillo that he is arrogant for a boy his age, and teachers since preschool have described him as bright but sometimes disruptive. But Ms. Badillo, a homeopath and holistic health counselor, has her own assessment. To her David's traits - his intelligence, empathy and impatience - make him an "indigo" child.

"He told me when he was 6 months old that he was going to have trouble in school because they wouldn't know where to fit him," she said, adding that he told her this through his energy, not in words. "Our consciousness is changing, it's expanding, and the indigos are here to show us the way," Ms. Badillo said. "We were much more connected with the creator before, and we're trying to get back to that connection."

If you have not been in an alternative bookstore lately, it is possible that you have missed the news about indigo children. They represent "perhaps the most exciting, albeit odd, change in basic human nature that has ever been observed and documented," Lee Carroll and Jan Tober write in "The Indigo Children: The New Kids Have Arrived" (Hay House). The book has sold 250,000 copies since 1999 and has spawned a cottage industry of books about indigo children.

Hay House said it has sold 500,000 books on indigo children. A documentary, "Indigo Evolution," is scheduled to open on about 200 screens - at churches, yoga centers, college campuses and other places - on Jan. 27 (locations at http://www.spiritualcinemanetwork.com).

Indigo children were first described in the 1970's by a San Diego parapsychologist, Nancy Ann Tappe, who noticed the emergence of children with an indigo aura, a vibrational color she had never seen before. This color, she reasoned, coincided with a new consciousness.

In "The Indigo Children," Mr. Carroll and Ms. Tober define the phenomenon. Indigos, they write, share traits like high I.Q., acute intuition, self-confidence, resistance to authority and disruptive tendencies, which are often diagnosed as attention-deficit disorder, known as A.D.D., or attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder, or A.D.H.D.

Offered as a guide for "the parents of unusually bright and active children," the book includes common criticisms of today's child rearing: that children are overmedicated; that schools are not creative environments, especially for bright students; and that children need more time and attention from their parents. But the book seeks answers to mainstream parental concerns in the paranormal.

"To me these children are the answers to the prayers we all have for peace," said Doreen Virtue, a former psychotherapist for adolescents who now writes books and lectures on indigo children. She calls the indigos a leap in human evolution. "They're vigilant about cleaning the earth of social ills and corruption, and increasing integrity," Ms. Virtue said. "Other generations tried, but then they became apathetic. This generation won't, unless we drug them into submission with Ritalin."

To skeptics the concept of indigo children belongs in the realm of wishful thinking and New Age credulity. "All of us would prefer not to have our kids labeled with a psychiatric disorder, but in this case it's a sham diagnosis," said Russell Barkley, a research professor of psychiatry at the State University of New York Upstate Medical University in Syracuse. "There's no science behind it. There are no studies."

Dr. Barkley likened the definition of indigo children to an academic exercise called "Barnum statements," after P. T. Barnum, in which a person is given a list of generic psychological characteristics and becomes convinced that they apply especially to him or her. The traits attributed to indigo children, he said, are so general that they "could describe most of the people most of the time," which means that they don't describe anything.

Parents who attribute their children's inattention or disruptive behavior to vibrational energy, he said, risk delaying proper diagnosis and treatment that might help them.

To indigos and their parents, however, such skepticism is the usual resistance to any new and revolutionary idea. America has always had a soft spot for the supernatural. A November 2005 poll by Harris Interactive found that one American in five believes he or she has been reincarnated; 40 percent believe in ghosts; 68 percent believe in angels. It is not surprising then that indigo literature, which incorporates some of these beliefs along with common anxieties about child psychology, has found a receptive audience.

Annette Piper, a mother of two in Memphis, said that she had planned to go to medical school until she realized she was an indigo, able to tell what was wrong with people by touching them. Like a lot of others who describe themselves as indigos, she was also sensitive to chemicals and fluorescent lights. Instead of going to medical school, she became an intuitive healer, directing the energy fields around people, and opened a New Age store called Spiritual Freedom.

Her daughter Alexandra, 10, is also an indigo, she said. They play games to cultivate their telepathic powers, but at school Alexandra struggles, Ms. Piper said. "She has trouble finishing work in school and wants to argue with the teacher if she thinks she's right," Ms. Piper said. "I don't think she's found out what her gifts are. From the influence in school and friends she lays off these abilities. She's a little afraid of them."

Problems in school are common for indigos, said Alex Perkel, who runs the ReBirth Esoteric Science Center in Bensonhurst, Brooklyn, a bilingual (Russian-English) center dedicated to "the knowledge of ancient esoteric schools and Eastern science," according to its Web site (http://www.esotericinfo.com).

Last year the center organized a class for indigo children but canceled it when families dropped out for economic reasons.

"A lot of people don't understand the children because the children are very smart," Mr. Perkel said. "They have knowledge like our teachers. They don't want to go to school, No. 1, because they don't need the knowledge they can get from school. So parents bring them to psychologists, and psychologists start giving them pills to take out their will and memory. We developed a special program to help them understand that they came to this planet to change the consciousness because they have guides from a higher world."

Stephen Hinshaw, a professor and the chairman of psychology at the University of California, Berkeley, acknowledged that "there is a legitimate concern that we are overmedicalizing normal childhood, particularly with A.D.H.D." But, he said, research shows that even gifted children with attention-deficit problems do better with more structure in the classroom, not less.

"If you conduct a very open classroom, kids with A.D.H.D. may fit in better, because everyone's running around, but there's no evidence that it helps children with A.D.H.D. learn. On the other hand if you have a more traditional classroom, with consistent tasks and expectations and rewards, kids with A.D.H.D. may have a harder time fitting in at first, but in the long run there's evidence that it helps their learning."

Julia Tuchman, a partner in Neshama Healing in Manhattan, who works with a lot of indigo children and adults, said it was important for their families not to turn away from traditional psychology and medicine.

"I'm very holistically oriented, but many people who come here I send to doctors," she said. "I'm not against medication at all. I just think it's overused." When parents take children to her for treatment - she practices electromagnetic field balancing, a touch-free massage that purports to tune a person's electromagnetic field - she said that just telling the children that they have special gifts is often a healing gesture.

"Can you imagine a child going up to his parents and saying, 'I'm talking to an angel,' or 'I'm talking to someone who's deceased'?" Ms. Tuchman asked. "A lot of them have no one to talk to." She, like others who see indigos, sees them as a reason for hope.

Even disruptive behavior has a purpose, said Marjorie Jackson, a tai chi and yoga teacher in Altadena, Calif., who said that her son, Andrew, is an indigo. Andrew, now 25, was not disruptive as a child, she said, but in her practice she sees indigos who are.

"The purpose of the disruptive ones is to overload the system so the school will be inspired to change," Ms. Jackson said. "The kids may seem like they have A.D.D. or A.D.H.D. What that is, is that the stimulus given to them, their inner being is not interested in it. But if you give them something that harmonizes with the broad intention that their inner self has for them, they won't be disruptive."

She said that schools should treat children more like adults, rather than placing them in "fear-based, constrictive, no-choice environments, where they explode."

Ms. Jackson compared people who do not recognize indigos to Muggles, the name used by J. K. Rowling in the Harry Potter books to describe ordinary people who have no connection with magic. "I would say 90 percent of the world is like the Muggles," she said. "You don't talk about this stuff with them because it's going to scare them."

In the TriBeCa coffee shop, David Minh Wong continued to play with his coins and talk to his mother. Ms. Badillo and her neighbor Sandra McCoy said they have family members who don't believe in the indigo idea. Ms. McCoy sat with her goddaughter, Jasmine Washington, 14. In contrast to David, Jasmine listened serenely, waiting for questions.

Yet Jasmine too is an indigo child, Ms. McCoy said: "I always knew there was something different about her. Then when I saw something about indigos on television, I knew what it was." Like many other indigos Jasmine is home-schooled.

For Jasmine, who often sensed she was different from other children, especially in the public schools, the designation of indigo is a comfort.

"The kids now are very different, so it's good that there's a name for it, and people pay attention to what's different about them," Jasmine said. Like the women at the table she said that indigos have a special purpose: "To help the world come together again. If something bad happens, I always think I can fix it. Since we have these abilities, we can help the world."

www.nytimes.com/2006/01/12/fashion/thur ... NDIGO.html

Cooooooooooo.
 
I have long noted that so many of these kids who are described as "super bright" never really amount to much, or ever actually display any genuinely startling talent such as a gift for music or writing or what have you. They just swan around being better than everyone. :roll: I suppose it's human nature to brag on one's children, but how often do we hear parents gloating "He's in the 90th percentile of height for his age!" or "She was doing long division at eight months!" Then what? You wind up with just another person who takes too long in front of you at the ATM and makes minimum wage.

Stephen King, of all people, said that some people are metaphorically given small knives, and some are given almighty huge ones (we call them geniuses) but no one is ever given a sharp one; we must work on it ourselves, to refine the blade and learn to wield it.
 
Interesting anology, especially comming from Mr King...
:roll:
 
Why "especially" coming from Mr. King?
Just because he is writing mainly horror, doesn't make him a lesser person does it?
He is an excellent writer and must be a deep thinker to be as good as he is...tcheeech
 
Also the rather boring novel Cradle by Arthur C Clarke and Gentry Lee has something about humans being usurped by super children.

Not often I get to use the word usurped.
 
Dingo667 said:
Why "especially" coming from Mr. King?
Just because he is writing mainly horror, doesn't make him a lesser person does it?
He is an excellent writer and must be a deep thinker to be as good as he is...tcheeech

* 'Splash grabs stick and holds other end *

Big knives, small knives & sharpness. Mr King is a horror writer, famous for gore etc. That was the only analogy I was making...

And that quote Leaf made is one of my favorites. Learning to 'sharpen a dull blade' is what good writers, like Mr King, do.
 
I thought it a very good quote.

(says she who has no time for Mr King)
 
Every since formal education began, there have always been gifted children. This is nothing new.
 
I first heard about this from a friend, who is convinced that my housemate is/was an indigo child.

I'm pretty convinced being an awkwardly self centred little brat as a child doesn't translate into anything exceptional in later life.

Has anyone actually explained just how these people are going to 'save the world'?

My doubting hat is firmly pulled down to my ears on this entire matter.
 
Leaferne.

The unemployment rate for people with Aspergers is estimated at 80%

make of that what you will.
 
It sounds to me like the only real thing that classifies a child as being an indigo officially is and adult – most likely a parent – saying so. So, sure, why not?

I've actually been meaning to get a book on this, just to do some more reading and get a more balanced perspective before I form an opinion, but it really does sound to me like the kids they are describing in this article are exceptionally smart and are having trouble fitting in and relating to their peers as a result, causing behavior problems.

But I'm not a newagist, so what do I know.
 
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