Is It A Boy Or A Girl?

[ramonmercado]

The Danish Girl: Great film, poignant, deeply moving. Not quite historically accurate. But catches the spirit of the real story. Tells the story of a Trans male to female pioneer, Lili Elbe, who eventually took a step too far with an operation which couldn't be successfully carried out in 1931.

As usual the SJWs are out in force objecting to a "cisgender man playing a trans woman". But Eddie Remayne is wonderful in the part. As is Alicia Vikander who plays Elbe's supportive wife Gerda Wegener.

8.5/10

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0810819/

 

[rynner2]

Schoolboys allowed to wear skirts under new 'gender neutral' uniform rules
Move is part of a drive for schools to be more open to children questioning their gender identity
Peter Yeung

School boys will be allowed to wear skirts and girls to wear trousers under new “gender neutral” uniform policies introduced across the UK.
Eighty state institutions, including 40 primary schools, have either removed reference to girls and boys in their dress codes or have rewritten their uniform policy.
It is part of a drive, funded by the government, for schools to be more open to children who are questioning their gender identity.

Diversity campaigners have warned current policies risk discriminating against lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender pupils (LGBT).
A spokesperson for Stonewall told The Independent: ‘We welcome all efforts to support young people on trans and gender identity issues and ensure that they feel happy, welcome and accepted at school, and it's encouraging to see this move.
"No trans person should be forced to present in a way that makes them feel uncomfortable. When this happens, it can be deeply damaging, particularly for young people.’

In January, Brighton College, an 170-year-old private school regularly among the top 10 schools in England for academic results, scrapped uniform rules for transgender pupils.
Richard Cairns, headmaster of the boarding and day-pupil school, told The Independent they had decided there would continue to be two different kinds of uniform, but pupils could choose which one they wanted to wear.
“This change follows requests from a small number of families. It ties in with my strong personal belief that youngsters should be respected for who they are,” he said.
“If some boys and girls are happier identifying with a different gender from that in which they were born, then my job is to make sure that we accommodate that. My only interest as headmaster is their welfare and happiness.”

Allens Croft School in Birmingham is believed to be the first state primary to declare that it has a “gender neutral” uniform.
The primary is designated a “best practice school” by the charity Educate and Celebrate, which has received more than £200,000 in funding from the Department for Education to give equality and diversity training to staff in schools across the country.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...s-skirts-uniform-gender-neutral-a7077701.html

 

[Swifty]

Schoolboys allowed to wear skirts under new 'gender neutral' uniform rules
Move is part of a drive for schools to be more open to children questioning their gender identity
Peter Yeung

School boys will be allowed to wear skirts and girls to wear trousers under new “gender neutral” uniform policies introduced across the UK.
Eighty state institutions, including 40 primary schools, have either removed reference to girls and boys in their dress codes or have rewritten their uniform policy.
It is part of a drive, funded by the government, for schools to be more open to children who are questioning their gender identity.

Diversity campaigners have warned current policies risk discriminating against lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender pupils (LGBT).
A spokesperson for Stonewall told The Independent: ‘We welcome all efforts to support young people on trans and gender identity issues and ensure that they feel happy, welcome and accepted at school, and it's encouraging to see this move.
"No trans person should be forced to present in a way that makes them feel uncomfortable. When this happens, it can be deeply damaging, particularly for young people.’

In January, Brighton College, an 170-year-old private school regularly among the top 10 schools in England for academic results, scrapped uniform rules for transgender pupils.
Richard Cairns, headmaster of the boarding and day-pupil school, told The Independent they had decided there would continue to be two different kinds of uniform, but pupils could choose which one they wanted to wear.
“This change follows requests from a small number of families. It ties in with my strong personal belief that youngsters should be respected for who they are,” he said.
“If some boys and girls are happier identifying with a different gender from that in which they were born, then my job is to make sure that we accommodate that. My only interest as headmaster is their welfare and happiness.”

Allens Croft School in Birmingham is believed to be the first state primary to declare that it has a “gender neutral” uniform.
The primary is designated a “best practice school” by the charity Educate and Celebrate, which has received more than £200,000 in funding from the Department for Education to give equality and diversity training to staff in schools across the country.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...s-skirts-uniform-gender-neutral-a7077701.html

Fair play to them I suppose although I expect both genders will chose to wear trousers ... because it's just warmer and more comfortable .. it's hardly a new radical concept that girls can now *gasp* wear trousers is it these days ? ..

 

[gattino]

Not a personal view, or a philosophical/scientific argument of any kind...but was watching the delightfully foul mouthed movie Ted 2 the other day, and expressing shock at his friend's wide ranging tastes in pornography, Ted (a talking teddy bear) insists "There ARE no 'chicks with dicks', Johnny! Just guys with tits"

 

[anonentity]

Schoolboys allowed to wear skirts under new 'gender neutral' uniform rules
Move is part of a drive for schools to be more open to children questioning their gender identity
Peter Yeung

School boys will be allowed to wear skirts and girls to wear trousers under new “gender neutral” uniform policies introduced across the UK.
Eighty state institutions, including 40 primary schools, have either removed reference to girls and boys in their dress codes or have rewritten their uniform policy.
It is part of a drive, funded by the government, for schools to be more open to children who are questioning their gender identity.

Diversity campaigners have warned current policies risk discriminating against lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender pupils (LGBT).
A spokesperson for Stonewall told The Independent: ‘We welcome all efforts to support young people on trans and gender identity issues and ensure that they feel happy, welcome and accepted at school, and it's encouraging to see this move.
"No trans person should be forced to present in a way that makes them feel uncomfortable. When this happens, it can be deeply damaging, particularly for young people.’

In January, Brighton College, an 170-year-old private school regularly among the top 10 schools in England for academic results, scrapped uniform rules for transgender pupils.
Richard Cairns, headmaster of the boarding and day-pupil school, told The Independent they had decided there would continue to be two different kinds of uniform, but pupils could choose which one they wanted to wear.
“This change follows requests from a small number of families. It ties in with my strong personal belief that youngsters should be respected for who they are,” he said.
“If some boys and girls are happier identifying with a different gender from that in which they were born, then my job is to make sure that we accommodate that. My only interest as headmaster is their welfare and happiness.”

Allens Croft School in Birmingham is believed to be the first state primary to declare that it has a “gender neutral” uniform.
The primary is designated a “best practice school” by the charity Educate and Celebrate, which has received more than £200,000 in funding from the Department for Education to give equality and diversity training to staff in schools across the country.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...s-skirts-uniform-gender-neutral-a7077701.html

I have a bad taste in my mouth, that we have failed our children, in some dynamic basic way, our ignorant disregard,to the massive rise in female hormones in Dairy produce over the last forty or so years. Has had to had an effect on human sexuality on its most basic level. If even the fish and various wildlife are showing signs of androgyny. I think its so big, ignoring it, and getting boys to wear skirts seems to be the logical option, in the new think, rather than fixing the problem.

 

[rynner2]

Transgender child: The boy putting his female puberty on hold
By Mario Cacciottolo & Monica Soriano Victoria Derbyshire programme
[Video]

Ten-year-old Jason is one of the youngest transgender children in the UK to receive medical treatment to pause their puberty. He tells the Victoria Derbyshire programme what it is like to grow up feeling like you are in the wrong body.
Jason always knew he was not happy growing up as a girl.
He did not feel the same as other children and actually felt like a boy trapped in a girl's body.

One Christmas, he even asked for a magic potion that would turn his body into a boy's.
"Being a girl felt horrible," he says. "Pretty much every day I came home from school crying, because I didn't know how to explain it."
So in April this year, with the help and support of parents and teachers, he began living as a boy called Jason.

The Victoria Derbyshire programme has learned that 120 children who identify as being transgender have had NHS treatment to pause their puberty over the last five years.

For his treatment, Jason began having monthly injections called hormone blockers, which effectively halt the progress of puberty - but only temporarily.
His mother Leanne says it was "upsetting to see your child upset", as hers frequently was, because they were uncomfortable in their body.
"We didn't know if it was a phase, whether it was a gay tendency thing, that he was acting more boyish than other girls. But as he got more upset, I knew we had to do something."

Leanne also said that when Jason was three or four, he refused to wear girls' clothes. After about a year his parents gave in and allowed him to wear whatever he wanted. At the age of five or six, he began saying he was not happy in his own skin.
The situation came to a head last year when a teacher saw how distraught he became during a lesson which required some simple self-analysis and mentioned to Leanne that gender issues could be the cause of his distress.

And earlier this year Jason - who was still living as a girl - watched a documentary made for CBBC called "I am Leo" about a 13-year-old, who had been born a girl but felt like they were a boy.

etc...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-38132301

 

[EnolaGaia]

Model Hanne Gaby Odiele reveals she is intersex to 'break taboo'

A top fashion model has revealed that she is intersex, saying that she hopes speaking out will help break a taboo.

Hanne Gaby Odiele, 29, was born with undescended testicles, which were removed when she was 10 after doctors warned that they could cause cancer.

Intersex people are born with a mixture of male and female sex characteristics.

According to the United Nations, the condition affects up to 1.7% of the world's population.

Ms Odiele, originally from Belgium, was born with androgen insensitivity syndrome (AIS).

"It is very important to me in my life right now to break the taboo," she told USA Today in an interview.

"At this point, in this day and age, it should be perfectly all right to talk about this."
At 10, Ms Odiele had surgery to remove her testes.

"I knew at one point after the surgery I could not have kids, I was not having my period. I knew something was wrong with me," she said.

She had additional surgery at 18 to reconstruct her vagina.

But she said the procedures caused her distress and she wanted to speak out in part to discourage other parents from putting their children through perhaps unnecessary surgery. ...

SOURCE: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38730291

 

[rynner2]

I find the modern world more baffling with each new day:
Two British men become first to give birth after putting gender surgery on hold
Sarah Knapton, Science Editor
9 July 2017 • 9:30am

Two British men have become the first in the country to give birth after putting their gender transitions on hold.
Hayden Cross, 21, and Scott Parker, 23, were both born women, but chose to have children before full surgery made it impossible.

In April Mr Parker gave birth to his daughter Sara who was conceived following a drunken one-night stand with a friend in August last year.
Last month Mr Cross delivered his daughter Trinity-Leigh via Caesarean section, after he found a sperm donor on Facebook and inseminated himself.

The pair are now planning to return to gender reassignment surgery as quickly as possible.

etc, etc...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/...come-first-give-birth-putting-gender-surgery/

"Well, although I was your mother, I am legally your father now, but your biological father was a sperm donor from Facebook..."
I think there are going to be some very confused kids in the next generation!

 

[escargot]

I have a bad taste in my mouth, that we have failed our children, in some dynamic basic way, our ignorant disregard,to the massive rise in female hormones in Dairy produce over the last forty or so years. Has had to had an effect on human sexuality on its most basic level. If even the fish and various wildlife are showing signs of androgyny. I think its so big, ignoring it, and getting boys to wear skirts seems to be the logical option, in the new think, rather than fixing the problem.

I dunno, the fish look smart in their little skirts.

 

[Yithian]

I find the modern world more baffling with each new day:
Two British men become first to give birth after putting gender surgery on hold
Sarah Knapton, Science Editor
9 July 2017 • 9:30am

Two British men have become the first in the country to give birth after putting their gender transitions on hold.
Hayden Cross, 21, and Scott Parker, 23, were both born women, but chose to have children before full surgery made it impossible.

If they 'put gender assignment on hold' they are both women giving birth. Women who are going to attempt to become men, yes, but women.

Weirdly misleading headline.

 

[Gloucestrian]

Deliberately misleading headline, you are absolutely not allowed to refer to people born with female sexual organs who now identify as men as 'women'. Your cis-het privilege is showing.

 

[rynner2]

Plymouth MP explains why he won't support easier sex changes
By samblackledge | Posted: July 31, 2017

A Plymouth MP says he cannot support the Government's efforts to make it easier for people to change gender – because it goes against his conscience as a Christian.

Last week proposals were unveiled to streamline and demedicalise sex changes, as part of an attempt to boost equality for the LGBT community.
Current rules require a diagnosis of gender dysphoria to begin the process, while individuals have to provide evidence that they have been in transition for at least two years.

etc...

http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/ply...-sex-changes/story-30462629-detail/story.html

 

[ramonmercado]

Plymouth MP explains why he won't support easier sex changes
By samblackledge | Posted: July 31, 2017

A Plymouth MP says he cannot support the Government's efforts to make it easier for people to change gender – because it goes against his conscience as a Christian.

Last week proposals were unveiled to streamline and demedicalise sex changes, as part of an attempt to boost equality for the LGBT community.
Current rules require a diagnosis of gender dysphoria to begin the process, while individuals have to provide evidence that they have been in transition for at least two years.

etc...

http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/ply...-sex-changes/story-30462629-detail/story.html

A couple of years back self identification was introduced in Ireland, I thought all sorts of problems would result, especially in sport and indeed commented to that effect on politics.ie . I haven't heard of any problems though, either in sports, toilets or occupations.

 

[Coal]

Plymouth MP explains why he won't support easier sex changes
By samblackledge | Posted: July 31, 2017

A Plymouth MP says he cannot support the Government's efforts to make it easier for people to change gender – because it goes against his conscience as a Christian.

Last week proposals were unveiled to streamline and demedicalise sex changes, as part of an attempt to boost equality for the LGBT community.
Current rules require a diagnosis of gender dysphoria to begin the process, while individuals have to provide evidence that they have been in transition for at least two years.

etc...

http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/ply...-sex-changes/story-30462629-detail/story.html

Welcome to free speech. He's allowed to say that just as much as one is allowed to say that sex changes should be allowed and are natural.

 

[Gloucestrian]

I knew someone who began living as a woman for a year or so. He is now living as a man again. I wonder what might have happened if he had been able to begin the medical transformation without that 2 year requirement, I suspect he might be rather unhappy. Normally I support loosening the law - our bodies are our own, we should be allowed to do what we want with them - but I do wonder where all this gender confusion came from.

 

[Yithian]

I knew someone who began living as a woman for a year or so. He is now living as a man again. I wonder what might have happened if he had been able to begin the medical transformation without that 2 year requirement, I suspect he might be rather unhappy. Normally I support loosening the law - our bodies are our own, we should be allowed to do what we want with them - but I do wonder where all this gender confusion came from.

I think it's even more of a concern when drugs and surgery are permitted for teenagers.

The majority of humanity has a rollercoaster ride when puberty hits (some love it, some hate it, but there's no getting off), and being emotionally unstable is typical--as is questioning ones body, mind, sexuality and future.

I knew a lot of things 'for certain' back then that I do not believe now. I have no doubt that some who have been permitted to undergo hormonal treatments regret their decisions--ones that are, if not irreversible, life-changing.

We used to know that children were children and teenagers were teenagers, and while we wanted them to be happy, adults ultimately had the perspicacity and experience to make better judgments. Today that seems not to be the case.

 

[Mythopoeika]

Plymouth MP explains why he won't support easier sex changes
By samblackledge | Posted: July 31, 2017

A Plymouth MP says he cannot support the Government's efforts to make it easier for people to change gender – because it goes against his conscience as a Christian.

Last week proposals were unveiled to streamline and demedicalise sex changes, as part of an attempt to boost equality for the LGBT community.
Current rules require a diagnosis of gender dysphoria to begin the process, while individuals have to provide evidence that they have been in transition for at least two years.

etc...

http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/ply...-sex-changes/story-30462629-detail/story.html

Making it all easier will reduce the load on the NHS. They won't have to spend so much time policing what people are doing. Also, they can reduce the prices people pay for hormone treatment and make them pay for it privately.
So, yeah, free speech...but he's just being a tosser.

 

[dreeness .]

 

[Xanatic*]

If it's not a medical issue, why should it be on the NHS in the first place?

 

[Mythopoeika]

If it's not a medical issue, why should it be on the NHS in the first place?

I have no idea. Maybe the NHS put it there because they wish to monitor whatever people do with their bodies? It certainly keeps their psychiatrists in a job.

 

[Gloucestrian]

We used to know that children were children and teenagers were teenagers, and while we wanted them to be happy, adults ultimately had the perspicacity and experience to make better judgments. Today that seems not to be the case.

Yes, I certainly don't think "gender reassignment" should be permitted for children.

 

[Coal]

What Jordan said.

 

[MrRING]

One of my favorite aunts passed away last year. What I didn't know when I was a kid was that she was born a boy more or less in the 1930's, but that the genitals were malformed in some way and thus the doctors felt the only way to give him a normal-ish life was to do surgery to turn him into a her. She looked very manly - a strong handsome but masculine face and even had a heavy beard (she shaved and used pancake make-up) and male-pattern baldness (always wore wigs), but did have feminine elements in her character and always dressed the part. We never talked about it directly, and my own mom didn't find out about it until very late in life - she was the youngest child, with her oldest sister almost 20 years her senior.

Strangely, we never thought it was weird at all or that there was so much drama. We just thought she was cool and she was alot of fun.

 

[Mythopoeika]

One of my favorite aunts passed away last year. What I didn't know when I was a kid was that she was born a boy more or less in the 1930's, but that the genitals were malformed in some way and thus the doctors felt the only way to give him a normal-ish life was to do surgery to turn him into a her. She looked very manly - a strong handsome but masculine face and even had a heavy beard (she shaved and used pancake make-up) and male-pattern baldness (always wore wigs), but did have feminine elements in her character and always dressed the part. We never talked about it directly, and my own mom didn't find out about it until very late in life - she was the youngest child, with her oldest sister almost 20 years her senior.

Strangely, we never thought it was weird at all or that there was so much drama. We just thought she was cool and she was alot of fun.

It's good that you have such a loving family. "pthumbsup:

 

[Coal]

One of my favorite aunts passed away last year. What I didn't know when I was a kid was that she was born a boy more or less in the 1930's, but that the genitals were malformed in some way and thus the doctors felt the only way to give him a normal-ish life was to do surgery to turn him into a her. She looked very manly - a strong handsome but masculine face and even had a heavy beard (she shaved and used pancake make-up) and male-pattern baldness (always wore wigs), but did have feminine elements in her character and always dressed the part. We never talked about it directly, and my own mom didn't find out about it until very late in life - she was the youngest child, with her oldest sister almost 20 years her senior.

Strangely, we never thought it was weird at all or that there was so much drama. We just thought she was cool and she was alot of fun.

I think in general, most people are far more accepting than some would have us think. Thanks for posting that.

 

[dreeness .]

What Jordan said.

JP just had his YT channel taken down for a while, it might not be around very much longer.

 

[Coal]

JP just had his YT channel taken down for a while, it might not be around very much longer.

I watch a lot of his lectures (and take notes), they're so much better than the ones I had 'live'...if I'd known of him before I took my second degree, I'd have got a higher grade.

 

[Mythopoeika]

JP just had his YT channel taken down for a while, it might not be around very much longer.

I've noticed that quite a few Youtube posters who speak only logic and good sense have their channels taken down periodically. It could be that YT is acting on a complaint from some troll/troublemaker/SJW nut (delete as applicable).

 

[Coal]

I've noticed that quite a few Youtube posters who speak only logic and good sense have their channels taken down periodically. It could be that YT is acting on a complaint from some troll/troublemaker/SJW nut (delete as applicable).

It's an odd one. They are not a platform for free speech remember, they're a business, as are facebook and google.

Google were recently fined in the EU for skewing searches to their own products. Well duh. And I guarantee everyone who used the 'biased' search engines, agreed to the terms and conditions...

Can you make an argument that their ubiquity means they must act in a socially responsible way or according to rules of free speech? I'm not sure you can really. It's worrying that such organisations can behave in such a way and do, but is it illegal? Or even wrong? No-one forces you to use you-tube or facebook or google come to that.

Even forums are not platforms for free speech. They're communities who are entitled to place restrictions, or not, on peoples right to post - with the exception of those thing which are outside the law of the relevant land. If TFTF decided to ban all references to (as an example) the Loch Ness Monster as "it's silly", they're allowed to...

 

[Min Bannister]

A girl called Harold.

A bird of prey thought to be male for the past 25 years has "flabbergasted" staff at a wildlife sanctuary - after laying an egg.

Harold the griffon vulture has become "extremely valuable" to her declining species after the discovery at Eagle Heights in Kent, on Thursday.

Director of the wildlife foundation in Eynesford, Jonathan Ames, added: "It's crazy. We're going to do everything we can now to find her a male partner."

The birds rarely lay eggs in captivity.

More at the link. Apparently she was tested while young but the test is only about 80% accurate and nobody thought to question it over the years.

Hurray for Harold! I love vultures. I hope they find her a mate.