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Malaysian Muslim lesbian couple caned in front of 100 people for attempting to have sex

Monday, September 03, 2018 - 02:01 PM

Two Malaysian Muslim women convicted under Islamic laws of attempting to have sex were caned today in a rare public whipping that was slammed by lawmakers and rights activists as a form of torture.

Lawyers and activists said the women, aged 22 and 32, were seated on stools facing the judges and given six strokes from a light rattan cane on their backs by female prison officers.

More than 100 people witnessed the caning in a Shariah courtroom in northeast Terengganu state, they said.

Muslim Lawyers’ Association deputy president Abdul Rahim Sinwan said unlike caning under civil laws, the punishment under Islamic laws isn’t painful or harsh and was meant to educate the women so they will repent. The women, dressed in white headscarves and clothing, didn’t cry or scream but “showed remorse,” he said.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/break...people-for-attempting-to-have-sex-866406.html
 

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As long as it wasn't painful or harsh, that's all right then. What the hell business is it of the authorities anyway?
 

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Not the kind of question one would ask the Malaysian authorities.

Anyway, some women in England have sex in front of a hundred men; they call it dogging.

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Did they think it was a load of Shi'ite?

Two men have been arrested in Iran for their involvement in a production of Shakespeare’s A Midsummer Night’s Dream.

Director Maryam Kazemi and venue manager Saeed Asadi were detained on the orders of the judiciary, a senior official told the ISNA news agency.

The popular play had already been showing for seven nights at City Theatre, one of Tehran’s most famous venues and only had one night left to run when the pair were arrested, according to AFP. ...

A trailer of the performance shared on social media showed female actors dancing with men, an illegal act under the Islamic Republic’s strict rules, the Associated Press reports.

The main objections to the performance were about the “type of music played” and the actors’ “movements” in the trailer, said Shahram Karami, of the ministry of culture and Islamic guidance.

http://www.theweek.co.uk/96380/iran...letter&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter
 
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Something odd going on here: Mullahs refurbish Lenin statue. Maybe they think Lenin was the 12th Imam.

The media in Central Asia has been intrigued by the story that a group of Muslim clerics in southern Tajikistan have spent their congregations' weekly donations on fixing a statue of Lenin, the leader of the Bolshevik Revolution that imposed 70 years of atheism on their country.

The imam-khatib prayer leaders of the mosques in Shahritus spent the collection money on putting the statue of the Russian Communist leader back on the plinth in the town centre, from which he was unceremoniously toppled two years ago, Radio Liberty's Radio Ozodi Tajik Service reported.

The statue has also been repainted gold, and a missing hand has been replaced.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-45446494
 

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Something odd going on here: Mullahs refurbish Lenin statue. Maybe they think Lenin was the 12th Imam.
I think their argument that Lenin is part of their history and without him they would all be illiterates like Afghans is a reasonable position. Certainly it is odd to find Muslims restoring the golden statue of a Communist leader. It may even be unprecedented.

Its not just about Islam though, bit more like Tibet. People in Xinjiang are looking for more autonomy.
If by more autonomy you mean they want to recreate the Turkistan Republic that has failed twice back in the early 20th Century, that would be more correct. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_conflict
The separatists are driven by Islamic ideology and a sizeable portion of the movement has known Al Quaeda links.

So they're also re educating non Muslims?
One might argue they are combating religious extremism. While this sort of measure is not without precedent in Chinese history, it has been a long time since it has been tried. I suppose the real question is whether the camps will work, or merely intensify the problem.
 
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If by more autonomy you mean they want to recreate the Turkistan Republic that has failed twice back in the early 20th Century, that would be more correct. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_conflict
The separatists are driven by Islamic ideology and a sizeable portion of the movement has known Al Quaeda links.
So they're also re educating non Muslims?
It's more than just Political Islamists/Fundamentalists involved though. Otherwise why would they have to put a million people in camps? It's also a question of culture unrelated to religion and an aspiration for Autonomy. Han settlers now make up 40% of the population, a situation akin to Tibet.

The Chinese Regime is good at portraying any dissent as being inspired by the West or rooted in Religion.There are Uighurs who are motivated by Nationalism and even more moderate Muslims who support Autonomy. The fundamentalists have also killed Imams including the Grand Mufti of Xinjiang.
 
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It's more than just Political Islamists/Fundamentalists involved though. Otherwise why would they have to put a million people in camps? It's also a question of culture unrelated to religion and an aspiration for Autonomy. Han settlers now make up 40% of the population, a situation akin to Tibet.

The Chinese Regime is good at portraying any dissent as being inspired by the West or rooted in Religion.There are Uighurs who are motivated by Nationalism and even more moderate Muslims who support Autonomy. The fundamentalists have also killed Imams including the Grand Mufti of Xinjiang.
Now they've made it legal.

China's western Xinjiang region has written "vocational training centres" for Muslim Uighurs into law amid growing international concern over large-scale disappearances there.

Xinjiang says the centres will tackle extremism through "thought transformation".

Rights groups say detainees are made to swear loyalty to President Xi Jinping and criticise or renounce their faith.

In August, China denied allegations that it had locked up a million people.

But officials attending a UN human rights meeting admitted that Uighurs "deceived by religious extremism" were undergoing re-education and resettlement.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-45812419
 

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Now they've made it legal.

China's western Xinjiang region has written "vocational training centres" for Muslim Uighurs into law amid growing international concern over large-scale disappearances there.

Xinjiang says the centres will tackle extremism through "thought transformation".

Rights groups say detainees are made to swear loyalty to President Xi Jinping and criticise or renounce their faith.

In August, China denied allegations that it had locked up a million people.

But officials attending a UN human rights meeting admitted that Uighurs "deceived by religious extremism" were undergoing re-education and resettlement.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-45812419
Ha! I was right about 're-education'.
 

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Rights groups say detainees are made to swear loyalty to President Xi Jinping and criticise or renounce their faith.
Well, given that Islam promotes slavery and genocide, and so does the Chinese Communist Party, it should be an easy shift of allegiance without any real shift in the moral compass.
 

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The whole region of Xinjiang will soon be in a civil war if the Chinese government continues its actions against the Uyghur people. Reeducation won't work, instead it will anger people.
I think it is a little too late for that. The Uyghurs have been in a state of rebellion or near rebellion against China for centuries. They have even been independent occasionally. The fact is that they are an Al Quaeda allied movement, and

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_conflict

The origins of the conflict date back to when Muslim forces invaded the region and committed their usual atrocities:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamization_of_Xinjiang

Frankly, the Uyghurs were rising up in arms for years, and the current re-education camps (Yep, they're basically concentration camps) are working fairly well for China in combating the Uyghur Islamic terrorism. Concentration camps are, after all, a time honored method of successfully fighting an insurgency.
 

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Attention-seeking Irish chanteuse Sinead O'Connor converts to islam and now insists on being called Shuhada:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-45987127
It's very clear that she has spent decades lurching from public breakdown to public breakdown. It's unfortunate that she's famous, because the media interest each successive reinvention brings probably makes it harder for her to reach the conclusions she needs to heal herself.

Her latest reincarnation has nothing whatsoever to do with Islamic Theology or Culture.
 

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It's very clear that she has spent decades lurching from public breakdown to public breakdown. It's unfortunate that she's famous, because the media interest each successive reinvention brings probably makes it harder for her to reach the conclusions she needs to heal herself.

Her latest reincarnation has nothing whatsoever to do with Islamic Theology or Culture.
Except for Islamic theology or culture obviously holding some appeal to her.
Trouble is, when she tires of this particular ideology, she'd be wise not to tear up images of Islamic icons, or she would likely suffer the same threats as Salman Rushdie.
 

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Islam would be a natural refuge for someone with a chaotic lifestyle: Order, discipline, fellowship, schedules, emphatic “thou shalts” and “thou shalt nots”. It’s the reason Islam does so well in prisons.

The question is, can Islam survive Sinéad?

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Islam would be a natural refuge for someone with a chaotic lifestyle: Order, discipline, fellowship, schedules, emphatic “ thou shalts” and “thou shalt nots”. It’s the reason Islam does so well in prisons.

The question is, can Islam survive Sinéad?

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Well it survived Cat Stevens!
Didn't he also cite the rejection of a hedonistic lifestyle for a strictly regimented spirituality as being behind his conversion?
 

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It won't be long before she changes her religion again.
Except that they won't let her...
Koran 8:55-57 Surely the worst creatures in the sight of Allah are the apostates, those who definitively denied the truth and are therefore in no way prepared to accept it, (especially) those with whom you entered into a covenant and then they broke their covenant time after time, and who do not fear Allah. So if you meet them, make of them a horrifying example, such that those who follow them will see the atrocity you have committed upon them and be admonished.

Koran 8:12 - I will cast horror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore shall you decapitate them and cut off even their fingertips.

Koran 4:88-89 - What has happened to you that you have two minds about the renegades (who profess the faith but live among unbelievers)even though Allah has rejected them, owing to the sins that they earned?Do you want to lead those to the right way whom Allah let go astray? And he whom Allah lets go astray, for him you can never find a way. They but wish that you reject the faith as they have done, and thus be the same in sin as they are. Let them first flee their iniquity and return to Allah. If they remain renegades, seize them and slay them, never to take a friend or helper from their ranks.

Koran 8:39 - Slay them all until there is no more unbelief, and the only religion belongs to Allah.
 
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