It's Paedogeddon! (Is Paedophilia Increasing?)

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A conspiracy of paedophiles is fortean. Paedophiles themselves, not so much.
Actually... What happened in Belgium changed my mind about that. The incidents around Marc Dutroux suggest that there has indeed been at least one Satanic pedophile ring in the world, complete with and assassination. I believe that at the time there were also suggested links to Andy Pandy the serial killer, but wiki doesn't seem to make the connection.
 

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I thought this thread was about nutty conspiracy stories like pizzagate or the non-existent satanic groups of when was it, the '80's? So easy to get the obsessive attention of obsessive people by claiming a threat to children. I'm not sure that pedophilia is rare, a lot of women these days are talking about incidents within the family when they were children. I've never gotten a handle on this except assuming mental illness on the part of the attackers, and I suspect it's not more frequent these days, people are just more willing to talk in public. Based on long-ago courses in English literature, the "real" satanic cabals I'm aware of go back to the 1700's, and were playacting by wealthy young men with too little to do. There may have been only one well-publicized one (the members made sure of that) but it has served as fodder for lesser literature since then.
 

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Actually... What happened in Belgium changed my mind about that. The incidents around Marc Dutroux suggest that there has indeed been at least one Satanic pedophile ring in the world, complete with and assassination. I believe that at the time there were also suggested links to Andy Pandy the serial killer, but wiki doesn't seem to make the connection.
Actually, I tend to flip-flop every time I revisit that particular horribleness - it's odd as hell, and I can see how and why the conspiracy theories arise, and yet I can't quite write off the potential that the whole thing is based on the absolutely staggering stupidity of some in authority.

I once got temporarily adopted by a gang of Belgians who were in England for a wedding, and a night on the piss - they all looked like 80's gangsters, complete with leather sports jackets, greased back hair and pony tails. I remember one of them telling me that everyone thought Belgium was boring, but Belgium wasn't boring - it was 'very foggin' veeerd, man. You don' know how very foggin veerd!'
 

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We can't find any record of it having been moved in the logs.

More generally, a great many real things involve conspiracies, and on this forum 'conspiracy' covers all kinds of secret history and clandestine crime.

It seems an ideal fit.

That aside, the thread thrust was that fears of paedophilia far outweigh actual paedophilia and that the roving paedophile who preys on random children is a fleetingly rare occurence (most perpetrators are relatives, often close ones), yet if the media were your only guide, you would think it was a veritable plague.
Really? ..sorry in that case, I could have sworn this thread was started in the news area.
 

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I'm not sure that pedophilia is rare, a lot of women these days are talking about incidents within the family when they were children. I've never gotten a handle on this except assuming mental illness on the part of the attackers, and I suspect it's not more frequent these days, people are just more willing to talk in public.
When Freud's female patients disclosed familial sexual abuse to him he was shocked at the thought that fathers would do this to their own children. At first he believed them and accounted for the abuse with his Seduction Theory but later devised his convoluted Infantile Sexuality theory to explain away these accounts. Long story short, he decided the kids (mainly girls) were making it up.
 

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I've had some experience and training in some of the issues in this thread in a past area of work. Trying to word this post very carefully!

In my experience, people with a sexual fixation on children are normally 'made' rather than born and the opportunities for this to happen are many. There are a few parallels with sexual fetishes, where the libido becomes somehow connected to a particular material, object or normally non-sexual body part (eg feet). In some people the sexual desire-urge becomes switched to a side-track, although I don't wish to equate kink/BDSM/fetishes with the crime of paedophilic attacks at all. And whether the attacker thinks it's a consensual thing, it cannot ever be so as the power is loaded against the child at all times.

Paedophiles can be treated with therapies and training to reduce the risk of them acting on their feelings, but the person has to have clear insight into their destructive and abusive tendencies and most paedophiles don't or wont see their behaviours clearly. Many prefer to believe that the abuse is actually a consensual act in the context of affection.

People who engage in paedophilia online (in common with some people who view a lot of mainstream adult pornography) often cannot make the connection between 'real' people being exploited for the images they consume. They do not see themselves as the abusers, although the demand they create results in more sexual attacks. They are in fact child rapists by proxy.

Some children who have been abused can show unusual or strange sexual behaviours (it's one of the big warning signs) and if an adult responds then they, again, are compounding a criminal act of sexual violence against the child. One of the most heartbreaking things I ever experienced was hearing of training for potential foster/adoptive parents and how to deal with sexualised behaviour shown by tiny children who'd been removed from abusive families.

I am concerned that the exposure to a an avalanche of 'normalising' images and videos available so easily online are actually creating new paedophiles where maybe that person might not have been sent onto that particular track in the absence of such material.

There is also concern in developing countries that the easy availability of any kind of porn on mobile phones in the absence of education putting the porn into any kind of context is leading to increased attacks on younger girls by adolescent boys.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...aphy-during-lockdown/articleshow/75127399.cms

https://feminisminindia.com/2020/06/12/ticking-bomb-online-child-sexual-abuse/

Paedophiles have always existed, and I think the level of sexual abuse is no more common now than 50 years ago. It's just that people are listened to now, they are taken seriously and the justice system has finally started to levy appropriate sentences.
 

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Really? ..sorry in that case, I could have sworn this thread was started in the news area.
No, my apologies, Swifty, your memory is better than mine. A different log (one that Enola had to point out existed) says that I moved it here in March, although I have not the faintest recollection of having done so!

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I'm not sure that pedophilia is rare, a lot of women these days are talking about incidents within the family when they were children.
Again, for the avoidance of doubt, as I started the thread an aeon ago, I don't think it is rare--it's disturbingly common. My point was/is that it is not nearly as common as a) presented in the media, b) could be inferred from the words and actions of many people today.
 

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Again, for the avoidance of doubt, as I started the thread an aeon ago, I don't think it is rare--it's disturbingly common. My point was/is that it is not nearly as common as a) presented in the media, b) could be inferred from the words and actions of many people today.
I'd agree with that, it's the reason a male friend of mine left from being the caretaker at a local primary school: he got fed up of the paranoia and suspicion around him, feelings of being watched by the mothers etc. That's the main reason most of us will already know that they find if hard to recruit men in schools now. It's just too risky for us.

I remember watering some hanging baskets at work last Summer outside the swimming pool. All of a sudden, some Dad quickly threw a towel around his young Daughter who I hadn't even noticed up to that point and started staring at me. I felt like telling him to **** off.
 

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I once got temporarily adopted by a gang of Belgians who were in England for a wedding, and a night on the piss - they all looked like 80's gangsters, complete with leather sports jackets, greased back hair and pony tails. I remember one of them telling me that everyone thought Belgium was boring, but Belgium wasn't boring - it was 'very foggin' veeerd, man. You don' know how very foggin veerd!'
Veerd's de vord.
 

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I thought this thread was about nutty conspiracy stories like pizzagate or the non-existent satanic groups of when was it, the '80's? So easy to get the obsessive attention of obsessive people by claiming a threat to children. I'm not sure that pedophilia is rare, a lot of women these days are talking about incidents within the family when they were children. I've never gotten a handle on this except assuming mental illness on the part of the attackers, and I suspect it's not more frequent these days, people are just more willing to talk in public. Based on long-ago courses in English literature, the "real" satanic cabals I'm aware of go back to the 1700's, and were playacting by wealthy young men with too little to do. There may have been only one well-publicized one (the members made sure of that) but it has served as fodder for lesser literature since then.
Like UFOs, there have been a number of false alarms and false reporting, such as the Satanic Panic of the 1980s that did nothing to further justice for genuine victims. Historically speaking, slavery was a source of a lot of pedophilic abuse, and any large imbalance in power has often led to similar abuses. Rape of children was a common enough offense among European aristocrats, but the notion of childhood is actually quite modern: link. Even in the early 20th Century, many children who were molested were assumed to be prostituting themselves and were likely to be considered to be willing participants, and have scant legal protection, especially if the child had few wounds after the ordeal. As to historic links to Satanic cabals of child molesters, the great hotspot for child abuse is much the same as it has always been, the Catholic Church. There are historical accounts of children carrying daggers into confession to avoid being raped by priests, and the public assumption has always been that altar boys were being molested. This is not a new joke, but centuries old and speaks to a systemic abuse of similar antiquity. This is part of my ongoing hostility towards Catholicism as a religion; it is a vampire that has fed on children unchecked for centuries. Remember, God created Satan to take the blame.
 

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Apologies if this has already been talked about, an American furniture company called Wayfair are currently experiencing their own 'Pizzagate' moment, accusations of child trafficking down to an allegation that they're selling very expensive wardrobes named after missing girls. So far, the only accuser is someone using a fake name on Reddit although it's now spreading across the internet .. but if 'PrincessPeach1987' on Reddit says it's true? .. well surely it must be them ...

https://www.newsweek.com/wayfair-child-trafficking-conspiracy-theory-cabinets-scandal-1517013
 

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Apologies if this has already been talked about, an American furniture company called Wayfair are currently experiencing their own 'Pizzagate' moment, accusations of child trafficking down to an allegation that they're selling very expensive wardrobes named after missing girls. So far, the only accuser is someone using a fake name on Reddit although it's now spreading across the internet .. but if 'PrincessPeach1987' on Reddit says it's true? .. well surely it must be them ...

https://www.newsweek.com/wayfair-child-trafficking-conspiracy-theory-cabinets-scandal-1517013
https://forums.forteana.org/index.php?threads/the-wayfair-sex-trafficking-conspiracy.67437/
 
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