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Jack Chick, His Xtian Comics & Extreme Religious Pulp Propaganda

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dot23

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very disturbing material from some online evangelists - I've only read the Muslim and Masonry sections - but boy - this is serious misinformation / indoctrination.

I'm sure anyone who's read my previous threads knows I have grave doubts about the motivations and background to freemasonry - but the claims they present here as fact are quite worrying. At least I give them the benefit of the doubt (i.e. I do believe there's some sinsister stuff going on at high levels amongst FMs but not to this extent!). see what you think...

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Those Chick tracts are dangerous filth, because they are ill-informed propaganda.
The only people who swallow them are naive people and those already converted to Christianity.
They're dangerous because they preach blind, unreasoning hatred of anything that doesn't conform to the narrow Christian view.
Sadly, my own mother swallows dumb stuff like that. I prefer to avoid discussion of religion with her, to keep the peace.
 
sad to hear that u n your mum don't see i2i on this 1... find it really hard to see where these people are coming from, it's hardly what (mythical or not) christ intended. To scare and confuse people in this way is cowardly, and doesn't address any real problems.

If satanism is on the rise in the US it's for a reason - young people are sick of having their parents,teachers and peers ram this sort of ill informed rubbish down their throats. IMHO, in any religious movement there's a core of truth, and it certainly isn't 'pay us or suffer the consequences' which seems to be the byword for most of the US's christian movements. It's sad and disheartening to think that, when the present pope (not an office I admire :)) is doing more than any other pontiff to try and heal christian wounds, as well as inter religious ones, the preachers in america fill their flock with this sort of irrational hatred.

I fear this is also the sort of material that the alpha course push on people, although I've no proof for this...
 
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I had a quick look at the section on Islam, quite scary really.

Now I feel bad about giving them a "hit"

That is one smug, self rightous, decitful site.:eek!!!!:
 
dot23 said:
I fear this is also the sort of material that the alpha course push on people, although I've no proof for this...
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Unfortunately, my mother and sister follow the Alpha course. Yecch.
 
I was quite amused by the essay about the Masonic Deity. Apparently it's too nice to be the Christian God and the Mason's are too accepting of others religious beliefs to be true Christians. Bah... I must storm off and take a crap the size of a wedding cake in a font to get my Karmic balance sorted... back soon!

Niles "Read my Scripture! Read my [expletive deleted] Scripture!" Calder
 
is that as in setab retsam? Sorry cheap gag but I'm a bit p*ss*ed!
 
To quote one of the messages on the Chick tracts website:

Quote:

The Witchcraft Side of Masonry

There is something about the Lodge that has always attracted sorcerers. The list of occultists and witches in the last century who were Freemasons reads like a Who's Who of 20th century occultism:

[Long list deleted for readability purposes]

Would you really wish to belong to an organization which welcomed these powerful sorcerers into its midst with open arms?

Unquote.

What they don't say is that:

(1) There have been plenty of evil people who claimed to be Christian, and were pillars of the Christian community.
(2) The Masons welcome and embrace people of all beliefs and backgrounds - they don't appear to discriminate against occultists.
(3) The people they quote are not necessarily representative of the Masonic organisation as a whole.
 
Chick makes Bin Ladin look like some sort of wimp!!!!

God help us if Chick & his associates ever get to positions of power!!!!!:(
 
surely christian xtremists are already in positions of power? I do wonder if all the muslim talk about religious war is without justification. The sort of material on the chick site is undoubtedly only part of a larger, deeper, chrisitian fundamentalism which is emerging in the US. Where are all the yanks when you need them (come on Leavitt, etc we need your views).

Of course I was not trying to denegrate genuine chrisitians when I pointed out this site, just wanted to bring these sort of views to the attention of posters...
 
dot23 said:
is that as in setab retsam? Sorry cheap gag but I'm a bit p*ss*ed!
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Indeed it is (well sort of) retsam is a long standing 'nickname'

sorry to all those who aren't getting this:D
 
Niles Calder said:
I must storm off and take a crap the size of a wedding cake in a font to get my Karmic balance sorted... back soon!
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Okay, so I was exagerating (and paraphrasing good ol' Spider J..)

Anyway, as to Xtian Xtremists in positions of power... Dubya anyone? Okay he's not quite "extreme" but he's pretty damn dangerously close... My way of looking at it he bows to anyone he 'thinks' can influence votes in his favour and this probably includes the Xtian Right...

Niles "$0.02" Calder
 
I live in the states and I always used to find Chick Tracts on the city bus while I was in high school in the 80's. As a result had (and may still have buried in a box) a rather extensive collection of them. My favorites were the ones dealing with drug use and worshipping the Dark Lord. I found them to be quite amusing, but I've never been one for the whole big 'G' god thing anyway. *BUT* the thought of them being read by some dumb and impressionable kid/adult (of which there are many in this great nation) terrifies me.

I have heard that the main method used for distributing Jack Chicks crap is for the already "enlightened" to leave Tracts in places that may be frequented those that would be most easily "brought to salvation" (ie - the desperate and/or impressionable), hence the reason I'd find them on the city bus, littering the ground down near the methadone clinic or in with the thousand year old magazines at the laundromat. Dunno how true this is, but I've never found one poking out from between the cushions at the local library, the hepster coffee haus or on the campus of my University.

I sincerely doubt that Satanism is on the rise in the US, although fashion and music trends to scare your fundamentalist granny into thinking you sacrifice babies are rampant in the mall culture. From all evidence I have read and seen, christianity, especially of the 'extreme right' kind, has been on a major upswing for the past decade here in the states, and even more so in the past few months (hmmm, wonder what set that off?) All I can say is - it scares me.

~c.toast
 
Chick's stance on rock music is quite bizarre as well; that even if the lyrics are christian, the "driving beat" encourages aggression and sexuality, and therefore has no place in the life of any follower of Chick!

Given that I'm a huge music fan, and I had a mis-spent youth playing Dungeons and Dragons, drinking cider in the park etc, it seems I should've become a psychotic murderer by now... at least, according to this fellow! He seems to label just about everything I enjoy doing as the work of Satan. Save me, save me! :rolleyes:

This is actually very scary, brainwashing and indoctrination of people who might not know any better. I'd better listen to Beggars Banquet to counteract his evil influence...
 
I grew up Christian Apostolic Pentecostal. Girls didn't cut their hair,were not supposed to wear pants. We were God's chosen people and the rest of the world was going to hell. It was up to us to save them. As a child I passed out lots of tracts, Chick included.

It took me years to undo what was fed me. I feel fortunate that I have no guilt, no feeling of having "backsliden" and ought to return to the one true religion. For awhile I missed having a personal God always on hand to comfort and protect. I missed that feeling of being absolutely right, with almighty God blessing my every move. I understand the young fanatics who blow themselves and others up. Suicide bombers were not on the agenda, but if they had been, I could have been convinced that God was in favor of it.

Chick just puts in print what many Sunday Schools teach, not always quite so baldly, but the underlying flavor of a world so sinful that God ought to destroy it is there. And it is a very small step to "since I know God's mind I ought to help".
 
I hear ya, Mythos. I have the same thing with my mom and we've just agreed to disagree and avoid the whole discussion altogether, too -- I can't talk about it without it turning into a bitter argument. I grew up in a house where we thought like that, and we were made to go to church every Sunday. My mom even sent me to a catholic school -- you want to talk about brainwashing? There are lists of "approved" movies, music, etc. for the die-hard christian. Everything you study is taught to you with a christian bias. No need to interpret the facts on your own, no need to think about it. "It's a no brainer."

I know a few other people that are die-hard christians and I'm running across more these days. If you argue with them about some point they are trying to make with the bible, they almost step back as though lightning were going to strike you at any second and throw their hands over their ears so they won't hear you. There's a lot of "blind faith".

I love my mom and it breaks my heart that she can't live her life in a way that makes her happy. If some of her friends at work invite her on Sunday to go and do something fun, she won't go because she has to go to church. Sometimes she's down to her last $20 and she gives $10 of it in the collection basket at church, leaving her with only $10 to go until payday (which is still 4 days away).
 
In the 80's we used to collect the Chick comics because they were not only so unintnetionally hilarious, but because they were such a good source of outrageous (yet ludicrous) fundamentalist images for use in 'zines, posters, slide shows for gigs etc.

A blow up of the classic 'We must burn those records tonight' frame still keeps watch over my vinyl collection!

Ah, happy days, but you try and tell today's modern young people...........[trails off into Abe Simpson mode.]
 
the I'm rite religion

There is a "free" church near me that some time ago put up a huge sign saying "our god is the only true god" . My friend Amy took continual offence at this until one nite she got blind pissed and took a big brush a can of red paint to it ! After a few days, they took it down, moaning about religious intolerance to the press. It has never been replaced.
 
No need to interpret the facts on your own, no need to think about it. "It's a no brainer."
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Yeah, I know what you mean. These type of people prey on those who can't cope with life's problems on their own.

On a happier note, my Mum is a member of a Catholic church which she attends several times a week but she has never tried to force me to join. I think she sees it more as a social thing, with of course the possibility of everlasting happiness as an added bonus!

Maybe I should just talk to the old dear more?

J
 
Ok, so I've a good vocabulary ...

But do fundementalists really not know what most of the words in this dictionary mean? Or is it that normal dictionaries are tainted with other ideas?
 
bit pedantic intaglio! It is after all a list of terms and words used in the king james bible, and many of them are certainly not in common American english usage, or have a radically different meaning. And yes, it probably is just that you've got a good vocab ;)

I just remembered, after the WM comment, that there was a guy at our high school who renounced music and burnt all his records in his front garden. I recall being really hacked off cos he had all the original pixies singles! Could have given them to me - although maybe that would have been worse than owning them, tantamount to spreading the devil's ifalspel!
 
Re: Ok, so I've a good vocabulary ...

intaglio said:
But do fundementalists really not know what most of the words in this dictionary mean? Or is it that normal dictionaries are tainted with other ideas?
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The spelling in that so-called dictionary is appalling! Assuage and Astonished are just two examples.
I'm guessing that it has been aimed at the uneducated, unwashed masses (one of the reasons why the tracts have been produced in comic format).
 
That dictionary is weird. I took a random letter and looked at the first word I found, which was 'ravished'. It apparently has a 'negative' meaning of 'raped' and a 'positive' meaning of 'delighted'!


So, a person might not be ravished on being ravished...and might not find a ravishing experience to be wholly a ravishing experience......and so on.......hmmm.
 
strange, I got a message saying Lard had posted, yet when I arrive, there's no sign - maybe he wrote in invisible ink?
 
That's happened to me too. I've followed a link to a mssge only to find NOTHING at all!

It's obviously a conspiracy..........
 
I often Pornolize (not for the easily offended btw) evangelist sites to see the results... sorry, me and my sometimes puerile sense of humour.

Talk about nailing themselves into a coffin of dogma...

It is sad that last years events, which were triggered by fundamentalism and fanaticism, albeit of a different religion, have probably only given rise to more Christian fundamentalism, although this has been present in the U.S. for a long time. It was Christian evangelism which started the SRA scare, which turned out to be a widely reported but false urban myth. The strange thing about 'Satanism' is that it is actually an offshoot of Christianity, as I read that no other religion actually mentions the existence of Satan as an entity (does anyone know of any that do?) It could be argued that 'Satanists' actually follow the Christian view of the world but they just have a different interpretation.

I fear this is also the sort of material that the alpha course push on people, although I've no proof for this...
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The alpha couse makes me suspicious too, but I can tell you it has been criticised for its attitudes towards sex outside marriage and homosexuality. The founder has also been criticised for being too much of a personality...

Niles "
I fear this is also the sort of material that the alpha course push on people, although I've no proof for this...
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The alpha couse makes me suspicious too, but I can tell you it has been criticised for its attitudes towards sex outside marriage and homosexuality. The founder has also been criticised for being too much of a personality...

Niles "$0.02" Calder
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The Snopes message board begins to have an influence...
 
As our dear friend Donna Black would explain, Satanism isn't about any entity called Satan at all. It's about having oneself as one's personal god, rather than worshipping other gods. Anton LaVey who founded it called it 'Satanism' to discourage new age/hippy types from jumping on his bandwagon.

Though I do know folk who swear they have demons as friends, including Satan himself.
 
well in response to the christianity and satanism being the only religions to admit the presence of 'the Avdersary' of course Islam has Al-Shaitan (the tempter) and I believe judaism does also.
 
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