Jeffrey Epstein Suicide Or Murder: Speculation

Cochise

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Remember that there is a limit, very quickly reached, about what the forums can host as accusations and innuendo against the living and untried......

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Understood . But we live in bizarre times where clearly the PTB's are using the law to suppress legitimate enquiry. So what do we do?

My temptation is to set up a web site in say Venezuela and let you all speak out.
 

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The death of Jeffrey Epstein set off a wave of conspiracy theories online that demonstrate both how social media fuels misinformation and threatens to erode public acceptance of the results of any investigation.

Mr. Epstein, 66, was found unresponsive in his Manhattan jail cell Saturday morning after hanging himself, authorities said. He faced trial on charges of orchestrating a yearslong sex-trafficking operation involving girls as young as 14. He had been on suicide watch but was taken off in late July following daily psychiatric evaluations, a person familiar with the matter said.

The news prompted outrage from government officials and Mr. Epstein’s victims, all wondering how the suspect was allowed to take his own life before facing the courts in a case that threatened to implicate others. Authorities have launched investigations into why the death happened, but the slow process of fact-gathering isn’t keeping pace with the rapid spread of theories online.

Among the more outlandish theories gathering attention on social media: Mr. Epstein, who for decades mingled with the rich and politically powerful, including President Trump and former President Bill Clinton, was murdered by someone fearful of what he may say. Another theory postulates Mr. Epstein isn’t even dead.

Hashtags supporting wild theories about those responsible for Mr. Epstein’s death have been spread by tens of thousands of tweets, according to an analysis by Storyful, a social-media intelligence agency owned by News Corp , which also owns The Wall Street Journal.

One, #ClintonBodyCount, has already trended at various points in recent years. Another hashtag, #TrumpBodyCount, pushed by anti-Trump users has appeared in response to the Clinton hashtag.

Also circulating were tweets and Facebook posts that falsely cited Hillary Clinton as predicting Mr. Epstein would commit suicide. Another involved an unsubstantiated claim about a camera malfunction in Mr. Epstein’s jail cell.

Just hours after the death was reported, Mr. Trump promoted a false claim suggesting former President Bill Clinton was implicated. Mr. Trump on Saturday retweeted to his 63 million followers a post from a man asserting Mr. Epstein “had information on Bill Clinton & now he’s dead.”
“Ridiculous, and of course not true,” said a spokesman for Mr. Clinton. “And Donald Trump knows it.”

Mark Fenster, a University of Florida law professor who has written about conspiracy theories in U.S. democracy, said the lack of facts is what allows conspiracies and misinformation to take off. “If you were to write a bad novel about Jeffrey Epstein, ” Mr. Fenster said, “this would happen.”

Mr. Rubio, a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, said on Sunday that Russian bots and trolls were promoting theories about Mr. Trump and Mr. Clinton. He provided no evidence to support the claim of Russian interference. “It’s sad (and frightening) to see so many Americans on both sides…unwittingly helping them,” Mr. Rubio wrote on Twitter. Russian President Vladimir Putin, he added, “has weaponized our polarization.”

“The internet is remarkably egalitarian and useful, but we still have not come up with a way to filter out the craziness,” said James Broderick, a professor at New Jersey City University and co-author of a book about online conspiracy theory sites. “As long as major questions remain unanswered” about Mr. Epstein, Mr. Broderick said, “many people will formulate their own answers, whether or not those are rooted in truth.”
 

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The Broderick book is a standard summary of the most common (web driven) conspiracy theories. Nothing new here.

The Fenster Book is an academic study, quite solid, but coming from a leftist "critical studies" ("grievance studies" :) ) angle. I find that just barely tolerable, but it has some good theories about the sources of populist thinking. And the difference between leftist and rightist populism.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/10.5749/j.ctttsw9q

Thanks Amazon for letting us download free book samples :)
 

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Did everybody get the wiseguys' take?

The jail where Jeffrey Epstein apparently hanged himself was a nest of corruption in the early ’90s, according to one of late mobster John Gotti Sr.’s top associates — who insists it’s still a place where almost anything can be bought if you have the bucks.

“If he killed himself someone had to have helped him,” said Lewis Kasman, a onetime close confidant of the Dapper Don who visited the godfather several times at the Metropolitan Correctional Center in 1992.

“There are cameras going 24/7 and they’re watching 24/7. Someone had to give [Epstein] the equipment to kill himself and he had to pay for it dearly,” said Kasman, who has kept abreast of conditions in the lockup.

Kasman added: “That facility for years had issues of corruption, with correction officers bringing in food or cellphones for wealthy people.”

The former Gambino bean counter noted that Gotti, who did time both in the jail’s 9 South and 10 South units, its most secure wings, still managed to get his favorite steak dinner sneaked in: “He had Peter Luger’s whenever he wanted.”

Kasman said he heard US Attorney General William Barr personally made a hush-hush trip to the MCC two weeks ago, about the time Epstein was found in his cell with bruises around his neck.


Continued briefly:
https://nypost.com/2019/08/11/forme...-epstein-died-catered-toward-wealthy-inmates/
 

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Dodgy people have been 'rubbed out' for much less than what Epstein is accused of.

It would make sense for it to happen to him.

Dead men not talking; and all that.

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A man at the nexus of high finance, politics, and socialites.
Possible links to one or more state intelligence services (wittingly and unwittingly).
Connected to some of the main entities of the 2008 world economic crash.
Almost certainly would have known of activities that could tarnish the reputation of said financiers, politicians and socialites.

Dies an unnatural death.

Of course there will be conspiracy theories.

The only question I have is how he survived this long?

My guess is he was still of use to those intelligence services until recently, but as soon as he was more of a liability than an asset, and liable to spill some of the beans, they silenced him.
It should be noted he was not from generational wealth, he grew up from humble beginnings.
So he had no old school tie family leverage that could bargain for clemency.

I think it a 90% chance he was murdered.
 
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The jail where Jeffrey Epstein apparently hanged himself was a nest of corruption in the early ’90s, according to one of late mobster John Gotti Sr.’s top associates — who insists it’s still a place where almost anything can be bought if you have the bucks./


That's probably true of pretty much any prison you care to name.

“There are cameras going 24/7 and they’re watching 24/7. Someone had to give [Epstein] the equipment to kill himself and he had to pay for it dearly,” said Kasman, who has kept abreast of conditions in the lockup.

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How much equipment do you need to hang yourself? Any stoutish material could do the job.

It's extremely convenient though, & despite the fact he was on suicide watch. If he was. Maybe he was banged to rights & couldn't face the rest of his life in jail, which could be the likely outcome.
 

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I think Donald Trump knew what Epstein was doing and dumped him all those years ago.
"Trump barred Jeffrey Epstein from Mar-a-Lago over sex assault: court docs

Jeffrey Epstein turned Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago into another of his hunting grounds for young girls, leading Trump to bar him from the Florida resort, court papers claim.

“Trump allegedly banned Epstein from his Maralago Club in West Palm Beach because Epstein sexually assaulted a girl at the club,” according to the papers..."

https://nypost.com/2019/07/09/trump...-from-mar-a-lago-over-sex-assault-court-docs/

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If that was true then it means that Trump was aware of these crimes yet failed to report them to the authorities. He could be open to charges of failure to report a felony, obstruction of justice etc.

I think this is just some Trump friendly media trying to spin the story in his favour but are actually making the situation worse for him.
 

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^ Allegedly is the key word in that story ....it's ok for the 'right' to spin but not the left.
If I were Drumpf.....I'd be worried about my past association with Epstein. Drumpf has a history of affairs as we know even with porn stars.
Conspiracies indeed.....
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If that was true then it means that Trump was aware of these crimes yet failed to report them to the authorities. He could be open to charges of failure to report a felony, obstruction of justice etc.

I think this is just some Trump friendly media trying to spin the story in his favour but are actually making the situation worse for him.

I think the point is though, Ramon, that Trump ostracised Epstein long before his recent arrest and even longer before Trump became president. I suppose Trump realised that the glitzy playboy he once thought was fun to associate with was something rather more sinister.
 
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I think the point is though, Ramon, that Trump ostracised Epstein long before his recent arrest and even longer before Trump became president. I suppose Trump realised that the glitzy playboy he once thought was fun to associate with was something rather more sinister.
Maybe because some of Trump's own alleged crimes were catching up with him. He has been accused of several rapes including that of a thirteen year old. Maybe there is something sinister about Trump as well.

The more people try to spin about Trump on this issue then the more his own transgressions will be brought under the spotlight.
 

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Not that it comes as any great surprise, but this is getting stranger & stranger by the (almost) minute...

Jeffrey Epstein's Death Was On 4Chan Before Officials Announced It
About 38 minutes before news outlets first reported Jeffrey Epstein's death in prison, a 4chan user published a detailed post about it.
The New York City Fire Department looked into whether an employee posted about Jeffrey Epstein’s death on a notorious internet message board prior to officials announcing it to the public, BuzzFeed News has learned.

After telling BuzzFeed News the post was "under review," an FDNY spokesperson said authorities "determined this alleged information did not come from the Fire Department."


https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/janelytvynenko/fdny-review-jeffrey-epstein-4chan-post
 

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Alternative take...

Billionaire with dirt on many major politicians and public figures is in jail and facing life inside, issues a "Get me the fuck out of here or I show and tell everything" warning and his friends arrange for his suicide and a convenient picture of his corpse on a gurney, before he spirits away for some plastic surgery and a new life with a new identity somewhere remote...
 

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They fell asleep, all at the same time, yea, right
 
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