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Jordan Peterson

hand-wrestled moray eels and received wound from exploding bullet (don't ask).

I never did these two on that list. I need to ask about the exploding bullet. Sounds like a yarn worth repeating.
 
Suicide is still the single biggest killer of young British men, and as for Ireland (where 80% of suicides are men) and NI, it's grim (google is your friend). So anyone who provides some hope and clarity to young and middle aged men might be applauded for it.

The trouble is, the far right is providing hope of a false kind to young and middle-aged white men, since that's what happens when they get told they're the enemy from all sides. If you didn't think you were racist, sexist, a potential (maybe actual) rapist, a violent offender and all that other antisocial stuff before, there are plenty of people willing to embrace you because you've started to believe it yourself now. You take umbrage, or you feel ashamed. Those taking umbrage cause trouble for others, those feeling ashamed opt for self-destruction. Does Peterson address this?
 
The trouble is, the far right is providing hope of a false kind to young and middle-aged white men, since that's what happens when they get told they're the enemy from all sides. If you didn't think you were racist, sexist, a potential (maybe actual) rapist, a violent offender and all that other antisocial stuff before, there are plenty of people willing to embrace you because you've started to believe it yourself now. You take umbrage, or you feel ashamed. Those taking umbrage cause trouble for others, those feeling ashamed opt for self-destruction. Does Peterson address this?
There's no soundbite sized way to address this imho, but it's probably only around 25 hours of reading/watching of his material to figure this out, be my guest. :hoff:
 
The trouble is, the far right is providing hope of a false kind to young and middle-aged white men, since that's what happens when they get told they're the enemy from all sides.
Who is telling them that?
 
Who is telling them that?

I'm white, middle-aged, middle-class, heterosexual and male.

If I cared about the headlines in the press and the pronouncements of countless public bodies, charities and lobby groups, I might believe that I'm the source of much of the inequality and brutality of modern society. And given that I particularly dislike the inequality and brutality of modern society, this might make me quite depressed.

Fortunately, I don't pay any heed to the headlines or inane pronouncements from public bodies and charities and lobby groups. I also find that the people I meet every day, those who don't have a financial or political incentive to to villainise me, don't think along these lines at all.

They can stuff their culture war, I have my own compass.
 
Heck, seeing a man depicted as a diddy in a washing powder ad is enough to send some men into a rage.
 
I'm white, middle-aged, middle-class, heterosexual and male.

If I cared about the headlines in the press and the pronouncements of countless public bodies, charities and lobby groups, I might believe that I'm the source of much of the inequality and brutality of modern society. And given that I particularly dislike the inequality and brutality of modern society, this might make me quite depressed.

Fortunately, I don't pay any heed to the headlines or inane pronouncements from public bodies and charities and lobby groups. I also find that the people I meet every day, those who don't have a financial or political incentive to to villainize me, don't think along these lines at all.

They can stuff their culture war, I have my own compass.

Peterson talks of the ‘traditional press’ in its death throes, relying increasingly on exaggerated scare stories and opinion pieces to compete for (and ‘claw back’) viewers / readership away from internet based media.

And they don’t like him for saying that either !
 
A talking of the ‘trad’ press, the now infamous Cathy Newman interview here is a perfect example of the absolutely corrupt and cynical manipulations the media use to influence public opinion.

Count how many times Newman tries to put words into Peterson’s mouth and misrepresent his answers.
A truly horrific indictment of U.K. news media tactics
 
Peterson talks of the ‘traditional press’ in its death throes, relying increasingly on exaggerated scare stories and opinion pieces to compete for (and ‘claw back’) viewers / readership away from internet based media.

And they don’t like him for saying that either !
Because he's right.
 
Because he's right.
The pace of change in the last three decade is extraordinary and I suspect one of two of us have seen the transition from modems and Commodore Pet's to today's ubiquitous digital world. It's not going to stop, it's speeding up in fact, and it's leaving paper media behind. Newspapers are clinging to a dying demographic (mine) and I'm not sure even actual books will make it out intact.
 
The pace of change in the last three decade is extraordinary and I suspect one of two of us have seen the transition from modems and Commodore Pet's to today's ubiquitous digital world. It's not going to stop, it's speeding up in fact, and it's leaving paper media behind. Newspapers are clinging to a dying demographic (mine) and I'm not sure even actual books will make it out intact.

They will take paper books out of my cold dead hands.
 
Suicide is still the single biggest killer of young British men, and as for Ireland (where 80% of suicides are men) and NI, it's grim (google is your friend). So anyone who provides some hope and clarity to young and middle aged men might be applauded for it.

The trouble is, the far right is providing hope of a false kind to young and middle-aged white men, since that's what happens when they get told they're the enemy from all sides. If you didn't think you were racist, sexist, a potential (maybe actual) rapist, a violent offender and all that other antisocial stuff before, there are plenty of people willing to embrace you because you've started to believe it yourself now. You take umbrage, or you feel ashamed. Those taking umbrage cause trouble for others, those feeling ashamed opt for self-destruction. Does Peterson address this?

Because the topic of suicide (and gender issues pertaining thereto ... ) evolved into a sizable tangent of its own, I'm using the above-cited posts as the juncture for spinning off a separate thread:

Suicide In Our Modern Context
https://forums.forteana.org/index.php?threads/suicide-in-our-modern-context.65524/
 
I'm not sure if this has been posted before, here or on another thread - apologies if it has.

I think what's engaging about this particular tale is how the more obviously paranormal elements are kind of parenthesised by the general oddness of the circumstances - more Twin Peaks than American Horror Story, and all the better for it.

Anyway, a politically neutral interlude which I think anyone on this board might enjoy, whatever their opinion of the man.

Mr Peterson's ghost story:


He reminds me of an American actor, but I can't quite put my finger on it - maybe a cross between Sam Shepard and a middle aged Christopher Lloyd
 
Ridiculously bad decision to stop Jordan Peterson giving a biblical lecture at Cambridge University, based purely on social media smear campaigns and downright ignorance of his work.

“Cambridge University has rescinded its invitation of a visiting fellowship to an academic whose views on gender and race have been condemned by critics.”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-47656933
 
Ridiculously bad decision to stop Jordan Peterson giving a biblical lecture at Cambridge University, based purely on social media smear campaigns and downright ignorance of his work.

“Cambridge University has rescinded its invitation of a visiting fellowship to an academic whose views on gender and race have been condemned by critics.”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-47656933
It's official, then - no intelligent debate or democratic argument is taking place in UK universities.
 
'Peterson claimed in a blog post that he planned to collaborate with the faculty on a lecture series on the Biblical book of Exodus.
He said he had not heard about the rescinding of the offer from the faculty, which announced its decision on Twitter, and said it publicised the rescindment "in a manner that could hardly have been more narcissistic, self-congratulatory and devious".
A university spokeswoman said: "We can confirm that Jordan Peterson requested a visiting fellowship, and an initial offer has been rescinded after a further review.
"[Cambridge] is an inclusive environment and we expect all our staff and visitors to uphold our principles. There is no place here for anyone who cannot."
In a statement to the Guardian, the university's students' union said: "We are relieved to hear that Jordan Peterson's request for a visiting fellowship to Cambridge's faculty of divinity has been rescinded following further review.
"It is a political act to associate the University with an academic's work through offers which legitimise figures such as Peterson."

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Cambridge, home of free thinking intellectuals, apparently can't stand the idea of someone asking awkward questions about the Exodus.

And the Student's Union will no doubt be pissing their pants with joy over this.

INT21
 
I have read a few things about Peterson...but can someone tell me in a few sentences exactly what so many people have against this guy?
Is this about being politically incorrect , racism, anti-religion stance or what?
 
'"[Cambridge] is an inclusive environment and we expect all our staff and visitors to uphold our principles. There is no place here for anyone who cannot." .

That part will be because he refuses to refer to people in 'non gender' specific ways.

ie No 'chairperson' etc.
 
I have read a few things about Peterson...but can someone tell me in a few sentences exactly what so many people have against this guy?
Is this about being politically incorrect , racism, anti-religion stance or what?

I like him.

And I think the problem is that he is very direct in his assertions. And, for many PC people, the thing is, he is usually correct.
 
I like him.

And I think the problem is that he is very direct in his assertions. And, for many PC people, the thing is, he is usually correct.
Can you be a bit clearer...? An example perhaps..?
 
I suggest the best thing to do is watch some of his stuff.

'12 rules for life' would be a good starting point.

Basically he takes the rather pathetic outlook many young men have and gives then a really good shaking up. A sort of 'just get a grip of yourself, be a proper man' etc.
 
I have read a few things about Peterson...but can someone tell me in a few sentences exactly what so many people have against this guy?
Is this about being politically incorrect , racism, anti-religion stance or what?

Most of the criticism of him comes from people who have not read or heard him speak. They trot out the same misquotes and misrepresentations they hear from each other.
The interview on the previous page here is a classic example of him constantly having to correct the ‘interviewer’ from her own ignorance of his work and correct her again as she misquotes and reinterprets what he just said.

The criticism seems to come from people who just don’t listen.
 
And in the article, the BBC writes

“The author has previously caused offence by refusing to use gender-neutral pronouns and in 2016 released a video lecture series questioning political correctness.”

This isn’t true.
Even the BBC are content to continue the misinformation and misrepresentation.
 
Most of the criticism of him comes from people who have not read or heard him speak. They trot out the same misquotes and misrepresentations they hear from each other.
The interview on the previous page here is a classic example of him constantly having to correct the ‘interviewer’ from her own ignorance of his work and correct her again as she misquotes and reinterprets what he just said.

The criticism seems to come from people who just don’t listen.

I looked back on the thread and these were my views in December 2018, think I'll stick with them.

I admire Petersen in so far as he takes on the intersectionals and the crazed PC mob. I say that as a Bisexual Socialist and Anti-Fascist.

I don't necessarily agree with his socio-economic politics though. Some of his political vids have been posted here as if they were an extension of his fight against the loons, they're not. He has centre-right views on a range of economic matters and his views on women and the family are at best old-fashioned and allow his critics cover to misrepresent his positions on academic independence.

So I'll defend him in the good fight against censorship in academia, the media and the arts but criticise his broader politics.
 
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