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We have this thread and they thread for the goblins being back. Can they be merged?
That's something I'm wondering about. How many were seen at once? most accounts I've read seem to suggest it appeared, then left, then came back.As you said the owls are solitary, which does not match the account of the golbins numbers.
At least two were seen at once. At one point in the encounter there is one on the roof and one in a nearby tree. While the Wikipedia article states they claim to have seen 12-15, I haven't seen a report indicating that they saw that many at the same time, so you have to account for the possibility that they saw the same creature at different times. They were also seen at close range.That's something I'm wondering about. How many were seen at once? most accounts I've read seem to suggest it appeared, then left, then came back.
It was actually Spielberg who lost interest in an "evil" alien pic, and went for E.T. instead... Special Effects wiz Rick Baker - who already designed and built these elaborate aliens - went ballistic when he heard the news!The story about ET & the goblins. ET is based on the goblins, but Close Encounters is not. It was a separate project after CEOTTK, and I believe the title was Dark Skies. The plot was supposed to follow the the cruel goblins night of destruction, but there was going to be one curious and gentle goblin unlike the rest who befriended and helped some kids during the assault. The screenwriter lost interest in the horror angle, but was interested in the friendly alien storyline, and got permission to work on that... and it became ET.
The plot:It was the Hopkinsville encounter that became Spielberg’s inspiration for what he first called Watch The Skies (an early title, referencing The Thing From Another World, which he’d also initially applied to Close Encounters). There was, however, a problem: the family involved in the Hopkinsville encounter didn’t want a movie made about them, so Spielberg and his collaborator, production designer Ron Cobb (more on him later) were forced to fictionalize the story as much as they could in order to avoid a potential lawsuit.
And how it changed:A spate of cattle mutilations and UFO sightings marks the arrival of the aliens, which, as described by Sayles, are close to the ones in the Hopkinsville account: three feet high, “eyes like grasshoppers.” Interestingly, Sayles also makes each of the five alien visitors distinct, even going so far as giving them names. There’s Hoodoo, who appears to have hypnotic powers. A pair of mischievous creatures named Klud and Squirt, a young, wide-eyed alien named Buddee, and the scariest member of their group, Skar, who can mutilate with a touch of his long, bony fingers.
One of the visitors to the set of Raiders was Harrison’s girlfriend and future wife, The Black Stallion screenwriter Melissa Mathison. Spielberg began reading Mathison the Night Skies script, and both agreed that the most affecting part of it was in its scenes between the young alien and a young boy. Mathison even admitted that the notion of a friendship between a boy and an alien moved her to tears, and Spielberg, who’d been planning to make a more personal, autobiographical movie for several years, immediately saw the value in this plot strand – so much so that he wanted to direct it himself.
Taking the final scene from Sayles’ script – where the young alien Buddee is left stranded on Earth by his own kind – Mathison set to work on a draft of what she called E.T. And Me, and completed a draft of the script in just eight weeks.
I had that impression as well, way out in the middle of nowhere. I just checked and highway 41 was built in 1926, so it was there at the time. The railways also seem to have been there for a long time. Neither was new at the time, so presumably the family was used to trains and traffic associated to the road. Hopkinsville also has maps available online that go back to the 1890's. I suppose you'd have to add train personnel or someone riding the rails and hopping off there at the farm to the list of possibilities, though neither seems a good match.I can remember reading about this case back in the Sixties, in a UFO magazine that I bought on a day out in London. It fascinated the teenage me.
The impression that I got then was that the locus was some out-of-the-way shack ten miles up a dirt road in hilly, wooded terrain. It appears that I was wrong: I've done a little research, and this is my best guess as to the location of the Sutton farm:
So: I believe that the locus was near a main road, and at a point where a railway line diverges from parallelling said main road. Roads and railway lines both add intriguing possibilities for light sources, strange noises and people in unusual clothing...
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I can't tell from the google earth photo where Rt 68 crosses. Here is the map from the CUFOS report I linked to above. But it is very near to railroad tracks.I can remember reading about this case back in the Sixties, in a UFO magazine that I bought on a day out in London. It fascinated the teenage me.
The impression that I got then was that the locus was some out-of-the-way shack ten miles up a dirt road in hilly, wooded terrain. It appears that I was wrong: I've done a little research, and this is my best guess as to the location of the Sutton farm:
It's near the second "41" north of Hopkinsville, near the centre of the image.
Here is (again my best guess) at the locus on Google Earth:
And finally, a Google Street View of the scene:
I believe it would be near the site of the grey building to the upper right.
So: I believe that the locus was near a main road, and at a point where a railway line diverges from parallelling said main road. Roads and railway lines both add intriguing possibilities for light sources, strange noises and people in unusual clothing...
maximus otter
Nothing to see here... move along
Saw that a while back, it's a weird one, no verifiable anything. It had weird details that made no sense though. In the end it seemed like the most logical conclusion is that the guy(Newkirk) filming the Hellier documentary made it all up as a PR stunt.There have been subsequent examples of the "Kentucky Goblins" showing up. While I haven't had time to research this myself, Bedtime Stories has covered it:
Kentucky Goblins II: The Return
Sounds a bit like the Phil Schneider/Dulce Base happening.Because I was curious I actually found a digital copy of Greenfield's book and read the interview with "Wriste". (It's easy to find.) It's an over-the-top mystery man who is hypercompetent and has extraterrestrials as friends(including Indrid Cold) and learned some of his superior skills from them. (seriously, one of these tricks is how to use crystalline lattices as a substitute for projection slides, one such crystalline lattice had a secret map of Grey bases) Interestingly, Greenfield claims to have visited Brown Mountain in his conversation with "Wriste". The same place Newkirk visited looking for an alien base. Also his advice was to basically stay away from hidden bases. Part of the interview in Greenfield's book was discussing how dangerous the Greys are and how Wriste has fought them in a physical way but recommends that lesser men(IE anyone with no military training or weapons, or understanding of Grey tech) stay the heck away from them('cause the Greys might kill you or worse, Wriste claimed some of his friends died that way). Yet in the Hellier case that guy tries to get Newkirk to try to break into one of the Grey bases armed with no information other than the location, and no weapons more powerful than a video camera? Based on the description of Grey bases in Greenfield's book that sounds like suicide. Which is extra weird because Newkirk talked about reading Greenfield's book.
Greenfield's book seems to point in the general direction of Men in Black as Grey supporters. Also the interview names Archuleta as the location of a presumed joint base. But it wasn't a place Wriste claimed to have been inside. Greenfield claimed to have been in the area looking around, but not inside it either. (It's a weird read) It makes me curious about this "Shaver" guy. Both claimed to have gotten large amounts of information from him.Sounds a bit like the Phil Schneider/Dulce Base happening.
Have to choose my words very carefully here.I have just come across this short documentary about the case...
Saw that a while back, it's a weird one, no verifiable anything. It had weird details that made no sense though. In the end it seemed like the most logical conclusion is that the guy(Newkirk) filming the Hellier documentary made it all up as a PR stunt.
Weirdest part and the part that made least sense was claiming to have been contacted by Terry Wriste.(skip to around 23:10 in the vid) It's a pseudonym used by a guy giving an interview to a guy writing a book mixing cabbalistic occult stuff with aliens. Yeah you wanna get really confused really fast? try making sense of that crap. That book(which Newkirk talks about) makes it clear that Terry Wriste isn't anyone's real name. But Dr. Christie knows a guy who knew how to contact Wriste, and Wriste then recommends that Christie call Newkirk? Wut? Why? How?
Because I was curious I actually found a digital copy of Greenfield's book and read the interview with "Wriste". (It's easy to find.) It's an over-the-top mystery man who is hypercompetent and has extraterrestrials as friends(including Indrid Cold) and learned some of his superior skills from them. (seriously, one of these tricks is how to use crystalline lattices as a substitute for projection slides, one such crystalline lattice had a secret map of Grey bases) Interestingly, Greenfield claims to have visited Brown Mountain in his conversation with "Wriste". The same place Newkirk visited looking for an alien base. Also his advice was to basically stay away from hidden bases. Part of the interview in Greenfield's book was discussing how dangerous the Greys are and how Wriste has fought them in a physical way but recommends that lesser men(IE anyone with no military training or weapons, or understanding of Grey tech) stay the heck away from them('cause the Greys might kill you or worse, Wriste claimed some of his friends died that way). Yet in the Hellier case that guy tries to get Newkirk to try to break into one of the Grey bases armed with no information other than the location, and no weapons more powerful than a video camera? Based on the description of Grey bases in Greenfield's book that sounds like suicide. Which is extra weird because Newkirk talked about reading Greenfield's book.
Another thing is that the Kelly case has a very unique description of the aliens, and the Hellier case is typical greys. Dr. Christie's daughter claimed these greys were literally walking around naked with no anything. I saw one person speculate the Kelly case might have been space suits... um sure, maybe.
This one gets trotted out a lot. Whilst the area, and the personnel may well have had 'shine connections, was everybody drunk (including the children)? As for the raccoons, see also owls - that's been suggested. No, I think there may be something else happening.Having gone over this article many times, it eventually seems clear there is one obvious explanation.
Cletus made a killer batch of moonshine...
The quote you mention is from way back, when statedly just having some fun about how bizarre the case was. In all seriousness, I am aware that apparently alcohol wasn't even permitted in the household.No, I think there may be something else happening.