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I think it travels too fast to be a helicopter. A bird is more likely. Smaller, and closer. A small drone is also a possibility.
Seeing as the object is extremely blurry, doesn't that suggest it's being videoed at a great distance - even though the full video is not what you would call 'sharp.' A bird - or a drone would not be visible at all, I would imagine? Especially as the rest of the video doesn't show any other Seagulls and the like.
 

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Perhaps it’s the same thing that was in that indistinct Loch Ness Monster pic.
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“The universe is big. It’s vast, complicated and ridiculous. Sometimes, though rarely, strange things happen, and we call them as we see them!” (A Slightly adapted version!) :hide:

I suppose all things are possible in our world; nothing should be ruled out, and nothing should be ruled in ~ unless it can be proven or justified.
 
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I'm still not convinced it isn't just a CG fake, but if it is real, it could be a small gull at approximately the same distance as the pier. The pier is fuzzy, and a bird would be, too.
 

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I think it travels too fast to be a helicopter. A bird is more likely. Smaller, and closer. A small drone is also a possibility.
I wouldn't rule out a flying insect.

The apparent tilting Sid notes is consistent with an object turning (e.g., an aircraft banking). Any such turn involves a 3D frame of reference.

The more general issue is that the apparent direction and speed of the object is seen in 2D, and this affects how one interprets what is actually a 3D scene.

Unless one knows the distance of the object and its path relative to the camera there's little that can be reliably said about either its size or its speed.
 

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Okay, Sid and thank you for doing those still photos. :)

This is why I believe it must be massive in size. I think if it was a helicopter we would be able to see it. Nothing else in this video clip is blurry. You can even distinguish the different colors in the water. For it to be that blurry it must be far away and for it to be that size at that distance, it must be really large. Too large to be a helicopter?
 

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Something close to the camera would be blurry, too - but in any case the rest of the image, while not very blurry, is far from razor sharp. Watching it objectively, the movement says "bird" to me.
 

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I wouldn't rule out a flying insect.

The apparent tilting Sid notes is consistent with an object turning (e.g., an aircraft banking). Any such turn involves a 3D frame of reference.

The more general issue is that the apparent direction and speed of the object is seen in 2D, and this affects how one interprets what is actually a 3D scene.

Unless one knows the distance of the object and its path relative to the camera there's little that can be reliably said about either its size or its speed.
And I totally agree "EnoaGaia,' that's what makes definition on any video so ambiguous.
 

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Okay, Sid and thank you for doing those still photos. :)

This is why I believe it must be massive in size. I think if it was a helicopter we would be able to see it. Nothing else in this video clip is blurry. You can even distinguish the different colors in the water. For it to be that blurry it must be far away and for it to be that size at that distance, it must be really large. Too large to be a helicopter?
Well 'michael59,' your thoughts and perceptions are the exact same as my own on this one!
 

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Not sure this has been posted but the thing I see is in view from bottom left hand corner at 0.58 minutes but no doubt ebruacum have an answer.
 

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Agreed. There is a solitary satellite glint, five Starlink satellites in a row, and the aurora, both green and red. Very nice.

...then a lot of city lights come into view as the ISS travels over inhabited country. This artificial illuminance issuing from the ground is generally known as 'skyglow' or light pollution.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skyglow

You can also see the 'airglow', the faint, constant, transparent luminescence visible at the top of the atmosphere. This is a natural phenomenon and can be seen from space very clearly, but is barely visible from the ground.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airglow
 

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Agreed. There is a solitary satellite glint, five Starlink satellites in a row, and the aurora, both green and red. Very nice.

...then a lot of city lights come into view as the ISS travels over inhabited country. This artificial illuminance issuing from the ground is generally known as 'skyglow' or light pollution.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skyglow

You can also see the 'airglow', the faint, constant, transparent luminescence visible at the top of the atmosphere. This is a natural phenomenon and can be seen from space very clearly, but is barely visible from the ground.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airglow
'eburacum,' "fascinating." can you tag exactly what these captures are (below) that I managed to catch moving through this very "enlightening" video.

*(1) This capture shows at the end of the video - (is this the view

of the city lights in this capture?):

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*(2) This object seems to be a fixed part of the space station itself:

Part of x.jpg

*In this pass, this object makes a short appearance,
but clearly is not a passing meteorite as it has a rather
odd but discernible shape to it:
(Satellite maybe catching the Sunlight,
then disappearing into the darkness?)


Single Object.jpg

*And there are a further two objects moving
in
tandem from left to right diagonally:
(no Idea what these might be)


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1/ Yes, that's an inhabited section of the Earth. Not every inhabited part of the world has light pollution/skyglow; sadly, North Korea is almost completely dark as seem from space.
2/ Yes. Someone with better knowledge of the ISS could probably tell you what part that is. I'd guess a solar panel or radiator.
3/ There are lots of satellites in that clip - it is a timelapse image, and it is sped up significantly, so we can see a lot of stuff. Apart from the Starlink group, I've no idea what we are looking at, and those two moving in parallel are intriguing.
 

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1/ Yes, that's an inhabited section of the Earth. Not every inhabited part of the world has light pollution/skyglow; sadly, North Korea is almost completely dark as seem from space.
2/ Yes. Someone with better knowledge of the ISS could probably tell you what part that is. I'd guess a solar panel or radiator.
3/ There are lots of satellites in that clip - it is a timelapse image, and it is sped up significantly, so we can see a lot of stuff. Apart from the Starlink group, I've no idea what we are looking at, and those two moving in parallel are intriguing.
Thank you 'eburacum.' "Nice One!" :yeahthat:
 

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NASA video: Mysterious 'space orb following' ISS sends UFO enthusiasts wild

A NASA live camera stream on the International Space Station captured a mysterious sighting, when a bright white orb was spotted racing past the camera in the distance.



In the footage, the UFO can be seen moving upwards, past the ISS, before suddenly fading away.

The UFO is round and appears to be moving rapidly - approximately 27,000 km per hour according to Scott Waring, from UFO Sightings Daily.

The footage was uploaded by Mr Waring, who said: "The total time was about 40+ min but I sped up the video 4X to save you time.

"Strange that it matches speeds with the ISS. Also, strange there was no audio chat."

Video at link:

https://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/1337563/UFO-sighting-NASA-ISS-space-aliens-mystery-latest-news

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None of these accounts are 'latest', but I couldn't find anywhere else to park this.
The Russian case I haven't heard before. The Russians shot down a saucer and the surviving aliens blew themselves up in a small nuclear explosion, killing Russian soldiers in the process.
 

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None of these accounts are 'latest', but I couldn't find anywhere else to park this.
The Russian case I haven't heard before. The Russians shot down a saucer and the surviving aliens blew themselves up in a small nuclear explosion, killing Russian soldiers in the process.
Sorry but all those "supposedly" and "allegedly" comments add up to an awful lot of "citations required" in that YouTube video.
 

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Pilot photographs mysterious orange orb in daytime sky over North Carolina mountains

As a 45-year pilot, Charles Cobb had never seen anything like the orange-tinged orb high in the North Carolina mountains sky on a sunny late morning in June.



The object was round and irregular, he said, and it would suddenly plummet tens of thousands of feet before soaring right back up, he said.

Cobb, an 88-year-old Korean War combat veteran, spotted the mysterious object while sitting at Silver Creek Airport in Morganton.

Minutes ticked by as the object and its exhaust plume hovered 30,000 feet to 40,000 feet high “toward Table Rock,” Cobb said.

He was referring to the plateaued peak northeast of Asheville.

Cobb said he finally pulled out his iPad and took photos of the flying object and its “opaque” center. It was 11:18 a.m. June 12.

“It was hard to tell the size,” he said, although he distinctly recalled the craft dropping at times to maybe 15,000 feet before shooting back up to at least 30,000 feet.

The object vanished at one point when he happened to look down at his iPad, but it soon reappeared, he said.

“The fact that it could zoom up almost out of sight” made this no ordinary object, he’s convinced.

The craft also was “flying parallel” during the 15 to 20 minutes he watched it, he said, so it couldn’t have been a comet.

This object “always pointed north.”

Definitely not a comet, Bernard Arghiere, board advisor with the Astronomy Club of Asheville, agreed

“There is no reported astronomical object, certainly not a comet, in the sky that would appear that bright on that June 12, 2020, date,” Arghiere said in an email.

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/article246648773.html

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Definitely not a comet. I saw the comet that was around during that period, and it was completely different in behaviour, and only visible at night.

Of course the height of such an unknown object is entirely speculative; it could have been much higher than 30,000 feet, or much lower, depending on its size. If it were only a couple of metres across, its height could be measured in the hundreds of feet rather than thousands.
 

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On a Fortean note ... The location and landmarks mentioned in this report correlate with the locations of the fabled Brown Mountain Lights. Here's a map I assembled to illustrate the observation's ground references.

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The witness was at the airport in Morganton. He reported the UAP as orb-like and visible in the direction of Table Rock Mountain (basically NNW from his vantage point) and apparently oriented northward. I presume this means the 'exhaust plume' or 'tail' trailed southward, insofar as the report makes no mention of horizontal travel.

Table Rock Mountain is a flat-topped peak on the eastern side or rim of Linville Gorge. Brown Mountain (proper) is a low ridge to the east of Linville Gorge. Brown Mtn. is visible from Linville Gorge (even from a lookout location on the gorge's western rim), and it's fully visible from atop Table Rock.

Although Brown Mtn. proper is the home site of the legendary lights, they are also observed in and around Linville Gorge itself - including on / above the flanks of Table Rock Mtn. I've been to the gorge and other vantage points (including sitting atop Table Rock) multiple nights watching for the lights. If anything, the most noteworthy lights I've seen were around the gorge itself (on the flanks of Table Rock Mtn.) rather than on the more distant Brown Mtn.

I'm not aware of any claims for daytime sightings of the lights, but I find it interesting that the witness's report seems to place the UAP as hovering in the direction of the gorge - and the specific mountain - where I'd witnessed the lights multiple times.
 
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What's your best guess as to their cause, EG?
Bear with me as I set some context ...

I think a lot of the sightings in more recent times have been misidentified artificial lights - e.g., from trains or automobile traffic. The Brown Mountain area is permeated with settled areas that produce a lot of different light forms - e.g., the nearby towns of Lenoir and Morganton. This, plus a reasonably organized series of sightings and interviews, led USGS investigators to conclude the lights were of non-natural origin (perhaps reflected / refracted in addition to observed directly) back in 1922. The reprinted 1922 report can be accessed at:

https://pubs.usgs.gov/circ/1971/0646/report.pdf

I mention all this not because I believe artificial lights account for the entirety of sightings, but rather to note that a lot of 'filtering' has to be done to determine which observed lights may reasonably be taken to be anomalous. The necessity for such filtering has steadily increased over the decades with increased settlement and associated illumination in the area.

Still, there's one fact or factor that seems well-established throughout the history of the sightings - the lights are almost always seen from a distance. In over a century of sightings there are very, very few claims of anyone observing the lights up close (e.g., at a distance of yards within a forest). This consistent feature suggests the truly anomalous lights involve something to do with atmospheric conditions to become visible or to appear as anomalies.

I've never witnessed a credibly anomalous light there that moves at anything other than a slow, lazy pace (if at all). I've only rarely seen a credibly anomalous light that rises so far above the ridge line as to be backgrounded against sky alone, though I've often seen lights rise far enough to ascertain they were hovering above the ridge line. Note my allusion to hovering. I've only rarely observed a credibly anomalous light move laterally, and even then not by much.

Similarly, I've only seen occasional credibly anomalous lights that were clearly situated among trees.

The mountains in that area are largely granitic, with considerable quartz content and inclusions of metallic minerals (especially iron). Detectable magnetic deviations (vis a vis the compass) are common but relatively localized throughout the area.

Having said all that ... IMHO the credibly anomalous lights I've personally witnessed are localized, generally limited to vertical movement, and strongly correlated with peaks and ridges. If there's a natural explanation I suspect it has something to do with illumination of possibly ionized air above transient hotspots of electromagnetic disturbance - possibly resulting from piezoelectric effects in the surface rocks.
 

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The mountains in that area are largely granitic, with considerable quartz content and inclusions of metallic minerals (especially iron). Detectable magnetic deviations (vis a vis the compass) are common but relatively localized throughout the area.

Having said all that ... IMHO the credibly anomalous lights I've personally witnessed are localized, generally limited to vertical movement, and strongly correlated with peaks and ridges. If there's a natural explanation I suspect it has something to do with illumination of possibly ionized air above transient hotspots of electromagnetic disturbance - possibly resulting from piezoelectric effects in the surface rocks.
Makes sense. How active is the area, geologically?
I spend time annually in geologically active mountains and have only once witnessed a light phenomenon through trees at a great distance. It is thrilling to experience, but just sleeping on the ground there is energising. Two nights there cures me of all that ails, physically and mentally. It really does.
 

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Agreed. There is a solitary satellite glint, five Starlink satellites in a row, and the aurora, both green and red. Very nice.

...then a lot of city lights come into view as the ISS travels over inhabited country. This artificial illuminance issuing from the ground is generally known as 'skyglow' or light pollution.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skyglow

You can also see the 'airglow', the faint, constant, transparent luminescence visible at the top of the atmosphere. This is a natural phenomenon and can be seen from space very clearly, but is barely visible from the ground.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airglow
I witnessed last week's Starlink release string, quite by accident while scoping for the ISS, and was wowed.
 
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