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Magnetic Cures & Remedies

I enjoy the column, but it does horrify me somewhat. On the blankets, have a look at

magneto-tex.com/science.asp
Link - and website - are dead.
See later post for the text and illustrations from the MIA webpage.


to see a bit of pseudo-science. :rolleyes: :mad:
 
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The effect may be real or placebo

Wearing a magnetic bracelet can ease pain caused by arthritis of the hips and knees, UK researchers have shown. Anecdotal benefits have been reported by wearers but studies comparing these bracelets with 'dummy' versions have produced mixed results.

The current British Medical Journal study found a significant reduction in pain scores among 65 wearers.

The Peninsular Medical School team said the effect could be real or down to the individual's faith in the treatment.

'Real' benefit

The authors also emphasised that the benefits were in addition to existing treatments, which should not be suddenly stopped without discussion with their doctor.

Also, high strength magnets (170mTesla or more) seemed to be needed to have any effect on pain.

GP Dr Tim Harlow and colleagues recruited 194 patients aged 45-80 years with osteoarthritis of the hip or knee from five rural general practices in Devon.

Whatever the mechanism, the benefit from magnetic bracelets seems clinically useful.

The study authors

The patients were given one of three bracelets to wear for 12 weeks - a standard strength magnetic bracelet, a weak magnetic bracelet, or a non-magnetic 'placebo' bracelet.

The patients were asked to rate their pain using a recognised scoring scale.

All three groups reported less pain when wearing the bracelets.

But the largest reductions in pain scores were reported by the patients wearing the standard strength bracelets.

The results for the weak magnet group were similar to those of the dummy magnets, suggesting that the magnetic strength of the bracelet is important.

Placebo effect

Dr Harlow and his team, who were funded by the Arthritis Research Campaign, said more research was needed to confirm their findings.

They did checkthat factors such as use of painkillers and patients' beliefs about the type of bracelet they were testing had not affected the results.

They said: "We cannot be certain whether our data show a specific effect of magnets, a placebo effect, or both.

"Whatever the mechanism, the benefit from magnetic bracelets seems clinically useful."

Clear evidence of the efficacy of magnetic bracelets as a means of treating the symptoms of arthritis is yet to be established.

Arthritis Care

A spokeswoman for the Arthritis Research Campaign said: "We funded this study because we wanted to establish if there was any evidence for the claims made on behalf of magnetic bracelets; and we didn't want the public to waste their money on devices that didn't work.

"Results appear to show that wearing a magnetic bracelet does reduce pain in people with hip and knee osteoarthritis although it is still unclear whether this effect is due in some part to the placebo effect.

"As magnetic bracelets are quite cheap, between £30 and £50, and safe, people with osteoarthritis might want to consider wearing them as part of their self-help regime."

However, a spokesman from Arthritis Care said: "Clear evidence of the efficacy of magnetic bracelets as a means of treating the symptoms of arthritis is yet to be established.

"This is due mainly to the lack of large-scale clinical trials undertaken in this regard.

"As a consequence, Arthritis Care does not recommend the use of magnetic bracelets for this purpose, though we would welcome a more robust and expansive trial of this treatment as a means of providing firm evidential grounds for optimism."

About 760,000 people in the UK have osteoarthritis.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4101045.stm
 
sounds like the copper bangle senario
 
My dad used to have one of those. He swore by it.

I can't see that it would work greatly myself, though.
 
I wonder if they did rheumatoid at the same time as osteo?

Would one expect something that had a physical effect on one to have the same effect on the other?
 
Remember a friend showing me this article on some magnetic bracelet/system that was meant to make your life last considerbly longer and in better health. The theory behind it seemed ever so slightly plausable at the time, friend certainly drawn in, but thinking back, still seems too easy surely.
 
i myself wore one of those copper bands,it was only usefull as such if you wanted to make your ankle green.
 
The bf's ex-wife (mother of the omnipresent son) will fall for any and every health fad presented to her...last year someone sold her a system for magnetizing water. Yup. I never actually saw it, but it was basically a water cooler with some filter/gizmo thingie on it which would, apparently and in defiance of the laws of physics on our planet (though I can't be sure about hers), magnetize her water. This would of course impart all sorts of wonderful (albeit intangible and ultimately unquantifiable) health benefits.

Snake-oil and pseudoscience

I would suspect that people saw the magnetized bracelets (which may do something, I have no idea) and extrapolated from there.
 
I know that magnetic fields promote bone growth in fractures.
 
Anybody see Penn & Tellers' Bullshit, where they dive into the quacky world of magnets and the like??

NOTE: This would be Season 1 / Episode 2: "Alternative Medicine."
 
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Magnetic Insoles Fail to Relieve Foot Pain
Fri Oct 7,11:46 PM ET



FRIDAY, Oct. 7 (HealthDay News) -- An array of "magnet therapy" products with claims of relieving various aches and pains reap over $500 million in sales in the United States each year.


However, a new study finds no evidence to support the notion that one of these products -- magnetic shoe insoles -- can ease foot discomfort.


That doesn't mean the insoles might not work via the "placebo" effect, however: According to the study, people who strongly believed in these products did experience pain relief -- even if they were given false, nonmagnetic insoles.


The randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled study "provides convincing evidence that use of these static magnets was not effective in relieving symptoms of nonspecific pain in the workplace," lead researcher and Mayo Clinic physician Dr. Mark Winemiller said in a prepared statement. His team published its findings in the current issue of Mayo Clinic Proceedings.


He noted that many adults with foot pain are likely to use magnets based on their personal beliefs or recommendations from other people. Worldwide, people spend about $5 billion a year on different kinds of magnetic pain-relieving devices, which have never been approved for therapeutic use by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration.


The insoles used in this study were the Active Comfort magnetic insole made by Spenco Medical Corp., of Waco, Texas. These insoles have a magnetic foil pad located under the arch of the foot.


The study was funded by an unrestricted grant from Spenco, which played no role in the study design or in the researchers' interpretation of the data.

Magnets

More information


The U.S. National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine has more about using magnets to treat pain.

http://nccam.nih.gov/health/magnet/magnet.htm
 
How many times do we need to have this proven? It wasn't true during Mesmer's day, and it still ain't true. Give the magnets a rest already, people! :roll:
 
inserting sharp stick in eye socket fails to cure deafness
 
I had a very painful foot condition for a few years called plantar fasciitis. This means that the ligaments in the soles of my feet were inflamed.

Every step hurt. I'm a stoic, but at the end of some days I would feel like crying from the accumulated pain. A physician prescribed custom shoe insoles to redistribute the weight on my feet. They helped a bit, but not enough.

Then one day I saw these cheap Chinese insoles for sale, plastic, with small magnets imbedded in them. I figured I had nothing to lose. These "magnetic" insoles hurt at first because they were irregularly shaped – bumpy, I mean. The magnets pressed into the sole of the foot. But they helped greatly, much more than the custom-fitted doctor-prescribed insoles. I wore them constantly for a year or so (went through more than one pair, I walk a lot) after which time they started to bother me so I stopped using them, and I saw that my feet were much improved and remain so today. I still need to use insoles today, but just ordinary kinds that you can find in many pharmacies and supermarkets.

I attribute the helpful properties of these particular Chinese-made magnetic insoles not to the magnets, but to the irregular shape of the insole which stretched the ligaments in my foot and thereby eased the stress and pressure and pain on them.
 
Yes, Abraxis, I think you're right. In any case, you'll understand that I now have quite a bit of respect for Chinese traditional medicine.
 
zulu25 said:
Yes, Abraxis, I think you're right. In any case, you'll understand that I now have quite a bit of respect for Chinese traditional medicine.

Me too. I always keep a little powdered tiger's penis on my bedside table ;)
 
ArthurASCII said:
I always keep a little powdered tiger's penis on my bedside table ;)
Hmmm. That could be read several ways.

Was it a little tiger's penis?

Or a lightly powdered tiger's penis?

I think we should be told!


Even more, we should be told the purpose of this Chinese medication!

As it's on your bedside table, I assume it's to help you sleep....


;)
 
rynner said:
Hmmm. That could be read several ways.

Was it a little tiger's penis?

Or a lightly powdered tiger's penis?

I think we should be told!


Even more, we should be told the purpose of this Chinese medication!

As it's on your bedside table, I assume it's to help you sleep....


;)

My Phrenologist got together with my Homeopath and my Reflexologist and collectively recommended it as a cure for the itching caused by my acupuncture wounds (Apparently, I had mistakenly attributed the itching to an allergy, brought on by the large amount of rhino horn I'd been ingesting to cure my bad aura). I apply a small amount to the inside of my wrists before slipping on my copper and magnetic bracelets.

The only side-effect seems to be a mad craving for large quantities of raw meat, but that fits in very well with my Atkins diet. Sadly, there's been no increase in my libido, but I do find that I have the occasional urge to cock my leg up when I'm passing lamp posts.
 
If they are anything like the ones i bought its no wonder they didnt cause more foot pain. They had hundreds of small bumpy nodes on the surface and were agony to wear !
 
In other news, grass green, sky blue.

Daniel Rutter has written a huge amount on silly magnetic cures and other related gubbins. You just need to dig it out from his lengthy index.
 
Copper Bracelets 'useless' in arthritis
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8310792.stm

Magnetic wrist strap

Magnetic devices have been used for arthritis for centuries

Copper bracelets and magnetic wrist straps are useless for relieving pain in people with arthritis, say University of York researchers.

In the first tightly controlled trial to look at both alternative therapies, there was no benefit to their use for pain or stiffness.

All 45 patients tested a copper bracelet, two different magnetic wrist straps, and a demagnetised version.

An arthritis charity said people should not waste their money on the therapies.

Study leader Stewart Richmond, a research fellow in the Department of Health Sciences, said there had only been one other randomised controlled trial - comparing the treatment with placebo - on copper bracelets and that was done in the 1970s.


Although there is a big public appetite for non-drug treatments from arthritis patients, we would not encourage them to spend a lot of money on products for which there is very little scientific evidence
Jane Tadman, Arthritis Research Campaign

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The market - particularly in magnetic devices which can cost £25 and £65 for the wrist straps - is worth billions of dollars worldwide.

In the trial, 45 people aged 50 or over, who were all diagnosed as suffering from osteoarthritis wore each of the four devices in a random order over a 16-week period.

They were all ineffective in terms of pain, stiffness and physical function, the researchers reported in the journal Complementary Therapies in Medicine.

Placebo effect

"It appears that any perceived benefit obtained from wearing a magnetic or copper bracelet can be attributed to psychological placebo effects," said Mr Richmond.

"People tend to buy them when they are in a lot of pain, then when the pain eases off over time they attribute this to the device.

"However, our findings suggest that such devices have no real advantage over placebo wrist straps that are not magnetic and do not contain copper."

He said the marketing of the devices was often to vulnerable elderly people.

Jane Tadman from the Arthritis Research Campaign said although many people with arthritis wore copper bracelets, there was no current research that supports their use.

"Although there is a big public appetite for non-drug treatments from arthritis patients, we would not encourage them to spend a lot of money on products for which there is very little scientific evidence," she added.

The charity is in the process of compiling a report on the effectiveness of complementary therapies and arthritis.
 
zulu25 said:
Yes, Abraxis, I think you're right. In any case, you'll understand that I now have quite a bit of respect for Chinese traditional medicine.

Traditional Medicines as in dried out animal parts and special herbs?

Your not talking about those shiny bracelets with the made in china stamp as being Traditional Medicine, I think the only thing traditional about them is how long the actual bracelet mould has been around
 
ArthurASCII said:
rynner said:
Hmmm. That could be read several ways.

Was it a little tiger's penis?

Or a lightly powdered tiger's penis?

I think we should be told!


Even more, we should be told the purpose of this Chinese medication!

As it's on your bedside table, I assume it's to help you sleep....


;)

My Phrenologist got together with my Homeopath and my Reflexologist and collectively recommended it as a cure for the itching caused by my acupuncture wounds (Apparently, I had mistakenly attributed the itching to an allergy, brought on by the large amount of rhino horn I'd been ingesting to cure my bad aura). I apply a small amount to the inside of my wrists before slipping on my copper and magnetic bracelets.

The only side-effect seems to be a mad craving for large quantities of raw meat, but that fits in very well with my Atkins diet. Sadly, there's been no increase in my libido, but I do find that I have the occasional urge to cock my leg up when I'm passing lamp posts.
That made my day, it even made me stop worrying about Walter the space kangeroo and how I am going to be able to sell people enough space kangeroo repelant.
 
She deserves a lie down: Grandmother forced to sleep upright in agony for five years cured - by magnetic bracelet
By Daily Mail Reporter
Last updated at 1:11 PM on 22nd July 2011

A grandmother who suffered from a condition which left her unable to lie down for five years has been cured - by a magnetic bracelet inserted into her stomach.

Marlene Quarry, 63, could not lie down due to a chronic form of heartburn called 'high reflux'.
The rare medical condition - which affects just one in one million people - meant corrosive stomach acid flooded her throat because the muscles at the base of her oesophagus were too weak.
As a result the grandmother-of-two had to remain upright 24 hours a day to prevent the painful acid burning her insides.

Shockingly, doctors dismissed her concerns and told her it was 'all in the mind' until a consultant diagnosed her with the rare condition.
In April she became only the second person in Britain to be fitted with a magnetic 'Linx system' bracelet.
The 50p-sized titanium bracelet held 15 magnetic beads which were wrapped around the base of the oesophagus.
The beads allow food to pass into the stomach while preventing acid rising back up the throat.

Mrs Quarry is now able to sleep lying down for the first time in nearly five years.
She said: 'It was awful - I wouldn't wish that pain and ending feeling of sickness on anyone.
'They were the worst years of my life. It was a living hell.
'I was losing my voice, the nausea was overwhelming and the earache was dreadful.

'On top of that, I was becoming increasingly unable to cope with the lack of sleep.
'At times, my symptoms were so bad I just wanted to die.
'I had to sleep in the sitting position and I suffered awful cramps and could only get snatches of sleep.
'It was like being tortured for nearly five years because I couldn't get comfortable.'

Mrs Quarry, from Hilton, Shrops, was struck down with 'high reflux' in December 2006 while on holiday in Spain with husband John, 66.
She said: 'We'd gone on holiday for a rest but I didn't feel right at all.
'It felt like there was a lot of mucus in my throat and the nausea was awful too, truly awful.
'I had to sleep on a sun bed with the back in the sitting position to stop the burning acid coming up my throat.' When she returned home her GP failed to diagnose her condition and gave her an anti-allergy spray.

Her health deteriorated but six months later a second doctor told her it was 'in her mind'.
Mrs Quarry, a special needs teacher, said: 'The doctors were saying it was just all in my mind - that was terribly frustrating that because I knew it was real.
'John had to prop up the back of our bed with bricks in the hope that the gravity would stop the acid reflux.
'I would also have to prop myself up with lots of pillows on the sofa and sleep at a ninety degree angle.' She was finally diagnosed with 'high reflux' after seeing a gastroenterologist consultant, who specialised in acid reflux.
He examined her oesophagus and discovered it was too slack to stop rising stomach acid.

Mrs Quarry said: 'He carried out an endoscopy on my throat which showed it to be in a horrifically corroded condition.
'I had also developed throat atrophy from the constant acid attacks, which meant my throat muscles were wasting away.'

Mrs Quarry paid £5,500 for the 40 minute 'Linx system' op - which is not available on the NHS - at Spire Hospital in Manchester.
She said: 'The ultimate benefit is that I can sleep properly again - I can actually look forward to getting into bed now, instead of fearing it.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... celet.html
 
kamalktk said:
So it was the shape and not the magnetism?
The attractive force of the magnetic beads provides support, which is designed to restore the normal barrier function of the defective sphincter

http://www.toraxmedical.com/patients/linx.php
So it seems the magnetism contributes to the structure of the device, rather than on having any direct effect on the bodily tissues.

(When I first saw the headline, I thought it would refer to a bracelet worn on the wrist!)
 
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