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Marilyn Monroe: Murder Or Suicide?

Did Marilyn Monroe commit suicide, or was she murdered?

  • She committed suicide.

    Votes: 1 4.8%
  • It was an accidental overdose.

    Votes: 10 47.6%
  • The Kennedys arranged for her to be murdered.

    Votes: 2 9.5%
  • It was a Mafia job.

    Votes: 2 9.5%
  • Don't know.

    Votes: 6 28.6%

  • Total voters
    21
No Pix

I've scouted a bit for the pix but so far can't spot any.
 
Drawn a blank here too - there are lots of opportunities to pay for her book full of them, though :rolleyes:.
 
Victoriana Redux

I'm thinking this is an updating of the Victorian passion for spirit or ghost pictures, which were faked with enthusiasm.
 
If you want to believe the Freemasons, they pretty much had everyone from Woodrow Wilson to Mother Theresa killed.

Maybe they did. But how can you take people seriously when they shake hands in such a silly manner and spend all night with their trouser legs rolled up?
 
Masonic Temptation

The Masons are silly at the level you cite. At core, though, there may be a small cadre of actual esoteric soldiers promoting an agenda we can but guess at.

And then again, it could all be hooey. lol

Unless and until it affects your life directly, why worry?
 
Marilyn: The case for 'assisted suicide'
The star was fooled into killing herself, says a newly released FBI file. Did her friends deliberately let her die? Kathy Marks reports
Published: 18 March 2007

Marilyn Monroe may have been tricked into killing herself as part of a plot hatched with the knowledge of the former US attorney general, Robert Kennedy, according to a secret FBI file.

The document, uncovered by an Australian film director, Philippe Mora, suggests Monroe was "induced" to make a suicide attempt, in the belief she would be found in time, and her stomach pumped. Instead, it suggests, she was left to die by staff and friends, including the actor Peter Lawford, who was married to Kennedy's sister, Patricia.

The 36-year-old actress was found naked and face down on her bed on 5 August 1962, with a large quantity of barbiturates in her system. For 45 years conspiracy theorists have claimed that her death was not a simple suicide, with some linking it to alleged affairs with Kennedy and his brother, the then President, John F Kennedy.

According to the FBI report, Robert Kennedy called Lawford from a San Francisco hotel that night "to find out if Marilyn was dead yet". Writing in the Sydney Morning Herald yesterday, Mr Mora, who is based in Los Angeles, says he found the file among thousands of classified documents recently released under freedom of information laws. Compiled by a "former Special Agent" whose name is deleted, it is headed "Robert F Kennedy".

The FBI received the file on 19 October 1964. It contains a report that claims Monroe was deliberately given the means to fake a suicide attempt. Those in on the conspiracy, as well as Lawford, were her psychiatrist, Ralph Greenson, her housekeeper, Eunice Murray, and her secretary and press agent, Pat Newcomb.

The former agent warns he cannot evaluate the authenticity of the information. Even so, saysMora, his file was circulated to five top FBI officers, including Clyde Tolson, right-hand man of bureau chief J Edgar Hoover.

The report that it cites suggests the motive was to silence Monroe, who had threatened to make public a "romance and sex affair" with Robert Kennedy. Monroe had, it says, realised Kennedy was never going to divorce his wife and marry her, as promised. Kennedy had also reneged on a pledge to "take care of everything" after the actress's contract with 20th Century Fox was cancelled. The pair had "unpleasant words" on the phone.

The file - parts of which were deleted before its release - states that Lawford "knew from Marilyn's friends that she often made suicide attempts and that she was inclined to fake a suicide attempt in order to arouse sympathy". He reportedly made "special arrangements" with Greenson, who was treating her for "emotional problems and getting her off the use of barbiturates". On her last visit, Greenson gave Monroe a prescription for 60 tablets of Seconal, used to relieve insomnia and anxiety. The prescription was "unusual in quantity", the report says. Murray left the pills on Monroe's night table.

That day Kennedy left the Beverly Hills Hotel and flew to San Francisco. The report says: "Robert Kennedy made a telephone call to Peter Lawford to find out if Marilyn was dead yet."

Lawford called and spoke to Monroe, "then checked again later to make sure she did not answer". According to the file, Murray then called Greenson to tell him Monroe had taken the pills. "Marilyn expected to have her stomach pumped and get sympathy for her suicide attempt. The psychiatrist left word for Marilyn to take a drive in the fresh air but did not come to see her until after she was known to be dead."

Officially, Monroe was found dead in the early hours by Murray. Within 48 hours, the report says, Newcomb and Lawford had flown to the Kennedy compound at Hyannisport, Massachusetts.

French-born Mora admits he is not sure what to make of the file. He asks: "Is all this the elaborate dirty tricks of Kennedy haters from decades ago, or are we getting closer to the historical truth?"

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/ame ... 369005.ece
 
sherbetbizarre said:
I think we can trust Philippe Mora, after all, he gave us The Howling II and III :lol:

Not to mention the film version of Strieber's Communion... Come on, we can get an alien connection into this somehow!
 
When I first heard speculations nearly 40 years ago that Marilyn Monroe had been murdered I thought it was one of the most sophomoric and silly conspiracy theories I'd ever heard.

But I was apparently wrong. There is a great deal of evidence that Norma Jean Baker's death was highly suspicious and that her death was in no way a voluntary action.

But nevertheless I was forced to vote "don't know," because I was given no other positive choice than blaming specific individuals or organizations.
 
Marilyn Monroe mystery: Where are her FBI files?
As the 50th anniversary of her death approaches, there is a growing mystery over the FBI files on Marilyn Monroe.
4:26PM BST 02 Aug 2012

It's fifty years on Sunday since Marilyn Monroe died at the age of 36.
Like many of the stars of her era, Monroe's movements, relationships and comments weren't just devoured by fans - they were followed closely by the FBI.
Records kept on Monroe, many of which were filed under "Foreign Counterintelligence," have intrigued many who have sought to learn more about the film star, including those who investigated her death.

In connection with the anniversary of Monroe's death on August 5th, The Associated Press has attempted under the Freedom of Information Act to obtain the most complete record of the bureau's monitoring of Monroe.

Nearly nine months later - after several requests and an appeal - obtaining a more complete record of how the FBI investigated Monroe in the months before she died have been stymied by an effort to simply find the files.

The FBI says it no longer has the files it compiled on Monroe; the National Archives - the usual destination for such material - says it doesn't have them either.
Finding out precisely when the records were moved - as the FBI says has happened - required the filing of yet another, still-pending Freedom of Information Act request. :roll:

The most recent version of the files, all heavily redacted, is publicly available on the bureau's website, The Vault, which periodically posts FBI records on celebrities, government officials, spies and criminals.

The AP appealed the FBI's continued censorship of its Monroe files, noting the agency has not given "any legal or factual analysis of the foreseeable harm that might result from the release of the full records."

Monroe's star power and fears she might be recruited by the Communist Party during the tenure of longtime FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover led to reports being taken on her activities and relationships, including her marriage to playwright Arthur Miller.

Monroe's file begins in 1955 and mostly focuses on her travels and associations, searching for signs of leftist views and possible ties to communism. The file continues up until the months before her death, and also includes several news stories and references to Norman Mailer's biography of the actress, which focused on questions about whether Monroe was killed by the government.

There have been two major government investigations into Monroe's demise - the original inquiry immediately after her death and another effort by the Los Angeles District Attorney's Office in 1982. The second inquiry, released in December 1982, reviewed all files available investigative reports, including files compiled by the FBI on her death. The records, the DA's office noted, were "heavily censored."

That mention intrigued the man who performed Monroe's autopsy, Dr. Thomas Noguchi. While the DA investigation concluded he conducted a thorough autopsy, Noguchi has conceded that no one will likely ever know all the details of Monroe's death. The FBI files and confidential interviews conducted with the actress' friends that have never been made public might help, he wrote in his 1983 memoir "Coroner."

"On the basis of my own involvement in the case, beginning with the autopsy, I would call Monroe's suicide `very probable,'" Noguchi wrote. "But I also believe that until the complete FBI files are made public and the notes and interviews of the suicide panel released, controversy will continue to swirl around her death."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film ... files.html
 
'I listened to Marilyn die': Private eye who bugged Monroe's house reveals details of her final hours in his diary

Documents belong to notorious private detective Fred Otash
He claimed Monroe did have a sexual relationship with the brothers


Files shedding new light on Marilyn Monroe's last night alive and her relationships with President John F Kennedy and his younger brother Bobby have emerged 51 years after her death.

Documents belonging to the late Fred Otash, one of Hollywood's most notorious private detectives, were uncovered by his daughter Colleen after being found in a suburban storage unit.

According to Otash, who died in 1992, Monroe had a sexual relationship with the brothers and complained about being 'passed around like a piece of meat'.

Otash, who had installed bugging devices in her Los Angeles home, has long been derided by Kennedy admirers for his claims to have listened to a tape of Monroe and JFK in bed together.

But the notes published by The Hollywood Reporter magazine last week contained a detailed account of his bugging activities and what he heard.
Shortly before his death, he told an interviewer: 'They were having a sexual relationship ... but I don't want to get into the moans and groans.'

And in his notes, Otash claimed: 'I listened to Marilyn Monroe die.'

He recorded that on August 5 1962, she had a violent argument with the Kennedys and that she felt that she had been 'passed around like a piece of meat'.

The notes read: 'She was really screaming and they were trying to quiet her down.

'She's in the bedroom and Bobby gets the pillow and he muffles her on the bed to keep the neighbors from hearing. She finally quieted down and then he was looking to get out of there.'

Otash only found out she had died later on.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... Otash.html
 
In the James Ellroy novel American Tabloid the story linking Marilyn with the Kennedys has been invented to discredit them, as far as I can recall (ages since I read it). Seemed quite convincing as a theory, that.
 
Of possible interest in adding evidence for the notion Marilyn might have been 'coming apart' in her final months ...

Marilyn Monroe plastic surgery notes, X-rays up for auction

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - A physician's notes on Marilyn Monroe that indicate that the Hollywood sex symbol had undergone cosmetic surgery will be up for sale next month along with a set of her X-rays, an auction house said on Tuesday. ...

The X-rays are dated June 7, 1962, after Monroe saw Gurdin following a late night fall and two months before the actress would die at age 36 from an overdose of barbiturates. The death was ruled a probable suicide.

Monroe would also be fired by studio 20th Century Fox from the unfinished film "Something's Got to Give" the following day for her constant absences.

The X-rays include Monroe's frontal facial bones, a composite right and left X-ray of the sides of her nasal bones and dental X-rays of the roof of her mouth.

...

A radiologist's notes included in the lot determined that there was no damage to Monroe's nose from the fall, but a recent evaluation of the X-rays found a minute fracture, the auction house said.

...

SOURCE (and full story at ...): http://news.yahoo.com/marilyn-monroe-pl ... 54415.html
 
I seem to recall reading about Marilyn getting her chin enhanced to make it less weak, maybe it was part of that?
 
Yes. More details are given in the full story (follow the link).
 
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Maybe she knew too much about the UFOs...

Did Marilyn Monroe Learn JFK's UFO Secrets? Steven Greer Says Yes in New Film
5/25/2017

A couple of weeks ago, Ancient Aliens brought up the unusual but not entirely interesting case of Dorothy Kilgallen, a gossip columnist and sometime reporter who published an article on the UP (now UPI) newswire on May 22, 1955 in which she claimed that a British source had confessed to her that UFOs were real alien spacecraft. The article began this way:

British scientists and airmen, after examining the wreckage of one mysterious flying ship, are convinced these strange aerial objects are not optical illusions or Soviet inventions, but are flying saucers which originate on another planet. The source of my information is a British official of Cabinet rank who prefers to remain unidentified. “We believe, on the basis of our inquiry thus far, that the saucers were staffed by small men—probably under four feet tall. It’s frightening, but there is no denying the flying saucers come from another planet.”
No one has ever been able to verify the identity of the British official, and given Kilgallen’s background in celebrity gossip, it is more than probable that the story is the result of a wild exaggeration someone told at a cocktail party or even an outright hoax. It doesn’t really matter, though, except for the fact that the existence of this article helped associated Kilgallen with UFO secrets and with celebrities, a combination that brought her into connection with another growing conspiracy, the allegation that the CIA assassinated Marilyn Monroe to keep her quiet about the plot to overthrow Fidel Castro.

The claim shows up in ufologist Steven Greer’s new documentary Unacknowledged, and Greer posted a clip to YouTube the other day: ...

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/d...ufo-secrets-steven-greet-says-yes-in-new-film

 
Actor Gianni Russo says Marilyn Monroe’s death was orchestrated by Robert Kennedy to hide her involvement with John F. Kennedy.

Russo claims the mob and Giancana were after Monroe to get to the president.

According to the Daily Mail, the alleged plan was to film Monroe in a threesome with JFK and Robert Kennedy and use the tape to blackmail the president into invading Cuba and returning the island’s casinos to organized criminals.

However, the president never showed up at the resort.

“It had to be Bobby. No one else would kill her. The mob would not have done it. They liked her.

Russo claims Monroe learned of the plot and threatened to report the mob to the media. When Robert Kennedy heard of Monroe’s plan, he plotted her death to stop her, says Russo.

He said: “A guy known as The Doctor — a killer for hire and an actual MD; he had done major hits for the mob — injected air into the vein near Marilyn’s pubic region. She died of an embolism, but it looked like drugs to the coroner.”

https://www.irishcentral.com/roots/history/bobby-kennedy-killed-marilyn-monroe-gianni-russo

Nothing particularly new here, except maybe the mention of "The Doctor".
 
Maybe she knew too much about the UFOs...

Did Marilyn Monroe Learn JFK's UFO Secrets? Steven Greer Says Yes in New Film
5/25/2017

A couple of weeks ago, Ancient Aliens brought up the unusual but not entirely interesting case of Dorothy Kilgallen, a gossip columnist and sometime reporter who published an article on the UP (now UPI) newswire on May 22, 1955 in which she claimed that a British source had confessed to her that UFOs were real alien spacecraft. The article began this way:

British scientists and airmen, after examining the wreckage of one mysterious flying ship, are convinced these strange aerial objects are not optical illusions or Soviet inventions, but are flying saucers which originate on another planet. The source of my information is a British official of Cabinet rank who prefers to remain unidentified. “We believe, on the basis of our inquiry thus far, that the saucers were staffed by small men—probably under four feet tall. It’s frightening, but there is no denying the flying saucers come from another planet.”
No one has ever been able to verify the identity of the British official, and given Kilgallen’s background in celebrity gossip, it is more than probable that the story is the result of a wild exaggeration someone told at a cocktail party or even an outright hoax. It doesn’t really matter, though, except for the fact that the existence of this article helped associated Kilgallen with UFO secrets and with celebrities, a combination that brought her into connection with another growing conspiracy, the allegation that the CIA assassinated Marilyn Monroe to keep her quiet about the plot to overthrow Fidel Castro.

The claim shows up in ufologist Steven Greer’s new documentary Unacknowledged, and Greer posted a clip to YouTube the other day: ...

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/d...ufo-secrets-steven-greet-says-yes-in-new-film

Just happened on this thread. Remember the good old days when a hot conspiracy was one tht involved Monroe and UFO's?
 
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