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Snap said:I think hoagland is mostly full of it.
I DID however like the piece about NASA messing with the color settings on the camera images though. If you look at the U.S. flag on the lander you can see that they cranked the red color way up to make Mars look like it has a red sky. When you re-process the footage so that the colors are correct Mars has a blue sky. (you can also see that with a decent telescope too).
It's much like grabbing the Red RGB gamma setting on your video card and sliding it all the way to the right, everything will look red.
A physical process having characteristics of a life form will be shown to exist at Mars. Viking 1 imagery documents changes in "The Face" of Mars in a period of 36 days. Is this so-called “Face on Mars” an Earth-like geological rock formation or a solid, constructed monument? Is it evidence of a past civilization? Did NASA blast the face? Be prepared to face some surprising realities as the data take you on an exceptional journey.
To "prep" you for this journey, you should bear in mind that on Earth, no specific definition of life exists. So when you examine and compare the various images, one can go only by the Earth indicators of life. The more important ones are:
Change
Development
Structural Organization
Growth
Complexity
Evolution of Appearance
"The Face" conforms to most all of the Earthian life-form indicators, which are chemical in their nature. However, this journey is to extraterrestrial Mars where linear (straight line) elements are found in "The Face". Linear elements are not a property of nature and the biology with which Earthlings are familiar. This occurrence suggests that "The Face" may owe its presence to a physical basis rather than originate from a chemical one. Physical (e.g., plasma) "life" as well as chemical life is common place in the cosmos, of which Mars is a part. Whether "The Face" can be related to physical causes remains to be seen. All images (positive transparencies) used for this presentation can be ordered from the NASA Space Science Data Center, Greenbelt, MD.
That reminded me of something that was in the Fortean Times a while back. It's a letter from one Ananda Sirisena on page 64 of FT69 (June/July 1993) to be precise: (See attached pic)ruffready said:
"As the focus of these Cydonia studies had been to the east of the D&M Pyramid, I began a survey of the images to the west of it, resulting in the discovery of a feature I call the Secondary Face, best seen on frame 70A11,(of the Viking images.) Barely three Martian miles from the Secondary Face is a peculiar star-shaped formation on a ledge.
The Secondary Face is approximately twice the distance from the apex of the D&M Pyramid as the Primary Face. Both Faces are of almost identical size, and both are aligned at more or less the same angle with respect to north on Mars.
The Secondary Face appears to be more eroded than the Primary Face, suggesting that it may have been 'made' first, especially as it seems to have been carved into a ledge. The top surface of the ledge shows what seems to be 'furrowed ground".
Other researchers have noted the presence of such 'ploughed-field' areas in the vicinity of many of the anomalous features. Dr Mark Carlotto, in his book The Martian Enigmas: A Closer Look (1991) relates that this has fuelled speculation about 'quarrying' on the surface of Mars."
Are you refering to the classic "face on mars" and the one on this thread? I don't think they look anything alike, and the whole entire thing is hogwash.What are two very similar simulacra called?
Piscez said:Are you refering to the classic "face on mars" and the one on this thread? I don't think they look anything alike, and the whole entire thing is hogwash.
Hoagwash, surelyPiscez said:the whole entire thing is hogwash.
The height of the interior mound of sediment inside this crater exceeds the crater rim heights by 900 meters (3,000 ft). This is a confounding problem. How does all this material get inside this crater and actually rise higher than its holding chamber? What is this material? Where did it come from? Why is it still here? It is exactly these kinds of enigmas that makes Mars so very interesting.
This impressive picture has echoes of many man-made structures on Earth, and thus has already caused great excitement on various 'alternative Mars' websites!This April 2003 Mars Global Surveyor (MGS) Mars Orbiter Camera (MOC) image shows a stair-stepped mound of sedimentary rock (right of center) on the floor of a large impact crater in western Arabia Terra near 11.0 deg N, 4.4 deg W.
rynner said:The more dedicated Mars watchers among you may find this interesting:
http://www.newfrontiersinscience.com/Members/v02n03/a/NFS0203a.shtml
is a VERY long and densely referenced paper on 'spiders', the strangely tree- or coral-like structures found near the Martian S. Pole. It will take some time to study the piece in full, but just skimming the text on the main page, and sampling a few of the images, will give you an idea of the strangeness of these possibly 'biogenic' formations.
Dark, windblown sand forms spectacular geometric patterns in the north polar sand seas, particularly in regions where strong winds converge from different directions over the course of a year. This Mars Global Surveyor (MGS) Mars Orbiter Camera (MOC) picture shows some of these dark dune patterns near 77.8 deg N, 284.4 deg W. The picture covers an area 3 km (1.9 miles) across and is illuminated by sunlight from the lower left.