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Mary King's Close

I'm in Edinburgh for one night only. I remember Garrick92's vivid account - it has stuck with me over the years, even though it seems now to be lost to the ether. But what I don't remember is whether they had been to Mary King's Close or the Vaults - can anyone shed light? If not, which of the two would you choose? My criterion is max spookiness/Fortean potential.

I cannot replace the missing posts (the context in which they were removed was murky and irksome), but I quote them here for your convenience, Sir.

I went to Mary King's Close and the Vaults on a visit to Edinburgh in October 2004.

I experienced nothing in MKC but the Vaults experience blew my mind.

I was in Edinburgh reviewing a hotel with a bunch of other journalists, say six or seven. It wasn't a particularly swanky gig, the hotel was the Radisson SAS on Princes Street. But it was free, and a good opportunity to steal soap and towels while getting drunk in a strange city, so I wasn't complaining. And besides, as usual when you're reviewing a hotel or resort, the marketing people put together a package of entertainments/refreshments that you can sample on behalf of your readers. This tends to make press trips quite exhausting, to be honest. On this occasion, one of the attractions the team had prepared for us was a 'ghost walk', of the sort that can be found in most historic towns and cities. (York in particular has so many ghost walks going at the same time that they keep bumping into each other).

So we were all to assemble at 7.30pm by an old whipping post. We did so and found waiting for us a rather cadaverous character in a cape, who was to be our guide for the evening. Predictably he was heavy on the sepulchral delivery, but he carried it off rather well, and started by telling us how malefactors of old were whipped at this post, using a volunteer from the pack and a real whip (although no whipping was actually done, which I thought a swizz).

Then we were walked down a terraced hillside (Edinburgh townhouses, not two-up-two-downs) to what appeared to be a bombproof door set in the wall. This, we were informed, was the entrance to the Vaults, reputedly one of the most haunted places in Britain. See: http://www.historic-uk.com/Destinations ... lts.htmfor historical details.

The door was opened and because I was the closest I got in first, right after the guide. Inside was a dogleg staircase, leading down three flights or so. I followed the guide down (I am quite clumsy but paradoxically pretty fleet of foot at times) and got there just a few seconds after the guide and around thirty seconds before the arrival of the rest of the group (who could be heard oohing and aahing their way down the staircase),

At the bottom, the staircase opened out into an antechamber, with a doorway in the facing wall. The guide stood waiting for the rest of the group. I stood looking around, with the doorway to the left. All of a sudden I was gripped by the feeling that I was being stared at. This is a pretty low grade paranormal experience, everybody gets the sense that they are being stared at from time to time, and often it proves right (http://www.sheldrake.org/Articles&Papers/paper
s/staring/pdf/JCSpaper1.pdf). The sense of being stared at came from the left, but I shrugged it off. I knew there was no-one there.

Almost at once it returned, and this time it was so strong that it made me wince and let out an involuntary groan/gasp (there isn't an appropriate term for the noise I made). The expression “Eyes boring into your head” fitted it perfectly. I stepped to one side under the strength of it.

I whipped round to see who was staring at me. For a moment, or perhaps two, I saw a man. Wearing a long black coat, wearing boots, and with a white shirt front, and perhaps glasses. Then it was gone, but I had just enough time to register the fact that the figure reminded me of someone. I was not alarmed by this. I cannot explain why. The sense of being stared at vanished.

I kept quiet as the rest of the group descended the staircase and gathered in the antechamber. The guide started on with his patter and the first thing he told us was that the area was haunted by teh ghost of some called The Watcher, who resented interlopers and would turn up to stare out any intruders.

All I could think was: “What a wonderful coincidence. First I think I am being stared at and then I am told there is a ghost that stares at people.” Two and two did not go together.

Then we were taken into the first room, where we were told some rigmarole about a ghost child who clutched at the hands of visitors. Perhaps I enjoyed this too much, as the guide gave me a shove so that I fell into a depression in the floor and he warned me lugubriously: “Mind you don't fall into a hole, sir.”. This chamber had another door in it, opposite the one we entered through.

There was another story associated with this room, but I forget it because I was looking around and taking in my surroundings. I was looking at this patch of wall when all of a sudden it seemed to shimmer. The effect was like sunlight reflected off water. Bright enough to leave impressions on your retina but not bright enough to hurt you. Various patches of 'sunlight' merged together and an image came into focus.

This image was of a man, with his back to me, hunched over something. My first reaction was “Rumpelstiltskin”, as it reminded me of the fairy tale figure hunched over his spinning wheel. He had a bald pate, with mid length grey hair, a white shirt and a waistcoat. I couldn't see what he was doing, but a happy feeling was associated with this vision. I don't mean I felt happy, just that I got a sense of happiness. Hard to explain.

Then the image disappeared. I was so startled that I can remember my immediate instinctive reaction was to look over my shoulder at the ceiling to look for projectors. But there wasn't anything there, just the solid stone of the chamber's roof.

Then we were moved through to the second chamber. As we went, the guide gestured to the piece of wall I had been looking at and explained that this area of the chamber was associated with a ghost called the Cobbler, who apparently worked on his shoes and didn't bother anyone.

All I could think was:”Well, that's another coincidence, I see someone hunched over their tools and the guide tells me about a cobbler!” It sounds stupid but I really didn't think of it any other way. Perhaps if I had I would have gibbered. Perhaps this was some obscure psychological mechanism protecting me. God knows.

In the second chamber we were told some story about a ghost that was seen with its feet up resting on the chimney breast. While this story was being told, the guide's voice suddenly faded away and I was left with a sort of hissing silence. Then I heard a noise that I recognised – the sound of a leather soled boot coming down on bare floorboards. Ker-THUNK. Ker-THUNK. You could hear the heel and toe come down quite distinctly. This, for some reason, did bother me and I looked anxiously from face to face in the press pack, to see if anyone else could hear it. But their faces all said that they were listening intently to the guide's narrative. I got quite panicked. The footsteps continued for another four or five paces, then the hissing silence retreated and I could hear the guide again.

Then he took us through to a sort of corridor, where he explained: “It's around here that people report hearing the footsteps of The Watcher as he stalks them through the Vaults.”

All I could think was: “Well what a coincidence! I hear footsteps and then I am told that people hear footsteps!” I didn't connect it to any of the two previous encounters, or even think that anything untoward was going on. Nowadays, if I thought I heard or saw something, I would be looking to make an urgent appointment with my GP.

The corridor led into a couple of other rooms. I barely remember the stories that went with them, apart from one room had some story about a witch's bottle bricked up in the wall. The corridor led to a fire exit and we were soon back outside in the night time street.

There were a couple more stops on the tour, but I don't remember the details. Burke and Hare figured in them. Then the tour came to a stop outside a three storey house. I forget the story associated with this venue but dimly recalled that it was something about an Earl making a bet with the devil, which I thought ludicrous.

Then the guide said to us (we were all standing round in a horseshoe shape): “Does anyone have anything they'd like to report?”

He turned to me and said: “That's a very curious expression you're wearing Sir.”

I checked myself and found that it was true. My face was sort of caught up in a perplexed frown.

I told the guide about the sense of being stared at and seeing the figure. About the golden light and the man with his back to me. About the sudden footsteps (I remember saying repeatedly: “It was so loud I couldn't hear you speak,” which wasn't quite what happened. And in each case, I explained how the guide's explanation had followed the experience.

The guide explained that his tour was devised to as to only tell people what they might experience after they had experienced it. This way, he said, he couldn't be accused of putting ideas in people's heads.

I was delighted by all this, and had a couple of drinks after the tour while trying to tell my fellow hacks about the experience. None of them believed me.

I stayed a couple more nights in Edinburgh and had a damn fine time, never thinking about ghosts or suchlike. Then I flew home and on my first night alone had a proper whitey and had to sleep with the lights on. Not that I slept much. I was too frightened.

To this day, I cannot explain why (a) I was not alarmed by the experience as it unfolded or (b) why I was so shit up in a sort of 'delayed reaction' stylee.

(In a last-ditch attempt to find a rational explanation, I later wrote to the company and gained a written guarantee that the tour company didn't use any audio-visual enhencements on their tours.)

And that's it. Just words on a page to you, but my attempt to explain something that has affected my life.
That sounds far scarier than what I experienced!

What did the hand feel like? Cold as the grave, or warm and lifelike, or what?



Odd, that. I wonder why? I've no explanation for my own delayed reaction, so I'd be interested to hear whether or not she could account for it.
That's interesting -- cheers.

This conversation with you has reminded me of something else that transpired during my ghost tour.

One of the things the guide told us -- just as the party was breaking up -- was that during Dr Richard Wiseman's 'ghost-busting' experiment in the vaults, one of his subjects (a student of his iirc) had a life-changing paranormal experience and went from being a materialist atheist to a committed believer in life after death.

The guide told us that RW had (his phrase) 'covered it all up' in his results.

Not long after my vaults experience, I tried to use the Freedom Of Information Act to gain access to Wiseman's raw data (survey sheets, iirc).

It was deemed suitable for release under FOIA, but the University of Hertfordshire wanted to impose some ridiculous 'search and copy' fee (as they are entitled to). So I never pursued it.

Next time I'm flush I will follow it up -- there could be an FT article in it, I suppose.
 
I'm in Edinburgh for one night only. I remember Garrick92's vivid account - it has stuck with me over the years, even though it seems now to be lost to the ether. But what I don't remember is whether they had been to Mary King's Close or the Vaults - can anyone shed light? If not, which of the two would you choose? My criterion is max spookiness/Fortean potential.
MKC in general are history tours with little ghost stuff, whereas the tours of the vaults are more what woudl be called ghost tours so if you want ghost stories then vaults, if you want to see how some peopel lived in Edinburgh in the past then MKC.

Of course if your visit coincides with an Edinburgh Fortean Society meeting you should go to that :)
 
MKC in general are history tours with little ghost stuff, whereas the tours of the vaults are more what woudl be called ghost tours so if you want ghost stories then vaults, if you want to see how some peopel lived in Edinburgh in the past then MKC.

Of course if your visit coincides with an Edinburgh Fortean Society meeting you should go to that :)

I toured the vaults in the early 2010s. However, my tour guide was a student in history doing this as a part time job, and she did not feel very convinced by her ghost stories. So my tour of the vaults was rather underwhelming.

I'd rather choose the Mary King's Close. At least there are some bits of the old Edinburgh to be seen there (the vaults are basically ... vaults, e.g. dark rooms with not much to see).

For ghostly happenings, it might be better to aim directly at the haunted pubs which stand over the vaults. They are referenced on Dr Paul Lee's website about British haunted places. Several are said to be haunted by the elusive "Mr Boots".
 
Well, not entirely to my surprise, that was almost entirely something of an anti-climax. The tour guide was very good; she was able to sell the stories. However, sometimes, you just want to try and drink in the atmosphere of a place. Pressing pause on the dramatic monologue every now and then would not go amiss.

Also, if you're going to tell us a story that takes place on Bell's Wynd, why not take us down Bell's Wynd, rather than the neighbouring close? (A cynic would suspect complaints from the residents, rather than apparitions of the murderous Mr Guthrie, which is how it was spun to us.)

I didn't manage to be first down the staircase behind the guide, as Garrick92 did, and I never felt a trace of the watcher, the cobbler, or an icy hand slipping into mine. That said, as I looked up and around in that first room, I had a definite flash of something right up in my face. There and gone quicker than it takes you to read those three words. Not a face, but a shape, a blue so dark as to be almost black. Now, with the benefit of hindsight and after-knowledge, I'd describe it as outstretched wings (no body or head, just the wings).

Turns out the spectral population of that first room has increased since Garrick92's visit: there's now, allegedly, a weeping family sometimes seen in the upper right corner furthest away from the entrance - at one point there was another floor in that room, hence their altitude.

Oh, and in the upper left corner, a little alcove, where a malevolent bird-like entity is supposed to roost, swooping down to harry intruders, such as ourselves. Just as with Garrick92, I had the impression first, and then the guide told us the tale.
 
I toured the vaults in the early 2010s. However, my tour guide was a student in history doing this as a part time job, and she did not feel very convinced by her ghost stories. So my tour of the vaults was rather underwhelming.

As Krepostnoi explains above, I wanted the atmosphere more than the spiel, so I spent a good amount of time lingering way back and had to be 'fetched' when the head-count didn't tally.

No 'experience', but the place had an atmosphere conducive to generating them, I felt.
 
The beloved and i did mkc didn’t sense/feel/or see anything BUT that doesn’t mean there’s nothing there
I think we did the vaults as well same thing and again you can’t knock it just because you don’t experience it
 
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