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9/11: The September 11th Attacks

The FBI has been accused of covered up alleged 'Saudi Arabian links' to the 9/11 attacks.

US newspaper the New York Post reports that the crime agency investigated claims that a prominent Saudi Arabian family had abruptly left the country weeks before 9/11.

Details of the investigation were kept from the Congressional committee that looked at the attacks, the newspaper says.

The abandoned home is said to have belonged to Esam Ghazzawi, an adviser to the nephew of the then Saudi King Fahd.

It was occupied by his daughter and son-in-law but they left the property in August 2001.

The apparently sudden departure back to Saudi Arabia – which reportedly saw new cars, luxury furniture, and refrigerators full of food left unattended – aroused suspicion with neighbours and triggered the investigation.

Agents are said to have allegedly identified “persons of interest” in the case. ...


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...g-up-saudi-arabian-links-to-911-10171987.html
 
Apropos of no particular theory:

He's saying he saw this convoy rolling out shortly before 08:00. For context, the hijackers boarded Flight 11 between 07:35 and 07:40; the plane took off from Logan International Airport at 07:50 (14 mins late); the hijacking is inferred to have happened at 08:14 - which is also the time of take off for Flight 175. The first alert of the Fight 11 hijack was received from a flight attendant onboard at 08:19. In other words, if this man saw anything connected with the attacks, there was possibly advance knowledge of them coming.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_for_the_day_of_the_September_11_attacks#8:00_a.m.

Makes you wonder...
 
Apropos of no particular theory:

He's saying he saw this convoy rolling out shortly before 08:00. For context, the hijackers boarded Flight 11 between 07:35 and 07:40; the plane took off from Logan International Airport at 07:50 (14 mins late); the hijacking is inferred to have happened at 08:14 - which is also the time of take off for Flight 175. The first alert of the Fight 11 hijack was received from a flight attendant onboard at 08:19. In other words, if this man saw anything connected with the attacks, there was possibly advance knowledge of them coming.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_for_the_day_of_the_September_11_attacks#8:00_a.m.

Makes you wonder...

He's very plausible. Anyone else spot this convey as well?
 
A good documentary that begins long before 9/11. Not quite 100% current on information about the government response, but fascinating nonetheless:

 
I just got this snippet from a National Geographic documentary, but the full story is here:

A Chilling Tale

Oct. 12 — This week, I went to Brooklyn in search of an “urban myth” about the World Trade Center assault. Was word of the attack on the street before Sept. 11? What I found out was chilling—this story is no myth.

EVERYONE HAS HEARD the stories—the “friend of a friend” who was stood up by her Afghan boyfriend, who then told her in an e-mail not to get on a commercial jet on Sept. 11. The next-door neighbors of Middle Eastern descent who threw a raucous party on Sept. 10—and then were nowhere to be found the next day.

The story I was looking for had circulated less widely and in more general form. It recounted the story of a kid who bragged around school before the attacks that the World Trade Center was going to be destroyed. On Oct. 11, Jeffrey Scott Shapiro, an aggressive young reporter for The New York Journal News of Westchester County, N.Y., published an article that tracked the story to New Utrecht High School in Brooklyn, N.Y. Shapiro identified a teacher who witnessed a freshman in her class saying the week prior to the World Trade Center attacks: “Do you see those two buildings? They won’t be standing there next week.”

“This is the only case we know of where someone said the World Trade Center was coming down prior to it happening,” a police source told me.

New Utrecht High School in Bensonhurst, Brooklyn, is a wonderful melting pot. On Thursday, when I visited, two girls—one Chinese, one Russian—sat poring over SAT prep material near polling booths set up for the New York City mayoral runoff. I heard at least three languages spoken I couldn’t even begin to identify. With 116 students from Pakistan, the school offers courses in Urdu.

Bensonhurst has changed immeasurably since the days of black versus white racial confrontation in the 1980s. Immigrants, many of whom speak little English, far outnumber native speakers on the streets. The restaurants and shops offer food from dozens of countries.

Since Sept. 11, hundreds of calls have poured into the local police precinct, but real incidents have been few. Someone tried to throw a Molotov cocktail into a mosque, but it hit a canopy pole of the building instead and did little damage. Reports that Arab immigrants had been cheering at a local supermarket after the towers collapsed (a frequent rumor around the country) were investigated and turned out to be false. So were the dozens of rumors of Arabs mysteriously disappearing from their homes just before the attack.

The police say they have been working closely with two of the three mosques in the area. One is run by an Irishman who converted to Islam and became an imam, the other by a baggage handler for American Airlines. This latter fact, not surprisingly, aroused a great interest at first. His friends in the community thought he might lose his job. But the imam is backed by the airline and remains close to the police in the area. “I feel sorry for the dark-skinned people in the neighborhood,” says a police officer. “They’ve done nothing wrong, and most have been cooperative.”

It’s that context that makes the story of the Pakistani freshman so strange. I can’t tell you who filled in the details for me; the heat is on, and the FBI is particularly jumpy. Both teacher and student have, with the help of the school, successfully ducked all efforts to contact them. But here’s what I’ve pieced together:

On Sept. 6—five days before the attack—Antoinette DiLorenzo, who teaches English as a second language to a class of Pakistani immigrants, led a class discussion about world events. She asked a freshman (his name has been withheld): “What are you looking at?” The youth was peering out the third-floor window toward lower Manhattan. After he made the remark about the World Trade Center not being there next week, the teacher didn’t immediately think much of it, though it stuck in her mind.

On Sept. 11, school was canceled after the attack and again the following day. On Thursday, Sept. 13, a clearly agitated DiLorenzo, saying she had been afraid to come forward, reported the incident to the principal’s office. “It scared the hell out of everyone,” according to a source at the school.

The police and FBI were alerted and 12 NYPD officers entered the school and secured DiLorenzo’s classroom for three hours, locking the doors with the students inside. While the students were brought lunch and a movie and told to be calm, the youth in question and his older brother, a sophomore, were taken to be interrogated by the FBI, stationed at the police precinct nearby.

DiLorenzo, the key to the believability of this story, was also questioned. She was described by school officials as having a superb and unblemished record in the New York school system. A police source described her as “100 percent credible.”

Moreover, according to police, the youth confirmed having made the Sept. 6 statement about the towers. At the moment he did so, his older brother elbowed him, said he had been “kidding,” and the youth in question agreed. The younger brother seemed upset and said he was “having a bad day.” When asked why, he said that his father was supposed to come back from Pakistan that day. Further details of the interrogation are unclear, in part because the FBI is not discussing it.

Because of the suspension of air travel, it took the father a few days to return. About a week after Sept. 11, the father visited the school and angrily asked why his sons had been interrogated by the authorities. He said that his family’s constitutional rights had been violated.

Having done nothing wrong beyond spreading a rumor that turned out to be true, the student was returned to his classroom. He remains in the school.

The FBI placed the boy’s family under surveillance but, according to sources, does not see a connection to the plot to blow up the towers. The case remains under investigation, but with thousands of leads, it doesn’t appear to be going anywhere.

So what to make of all of this? There is no doubt in my mind that the story is true. But what does it mean?

There are only three possibilities. One, the youth was clairvoyant. Two, the youth, knowing about the 1993 bombing, was just venting anger in a particularly timely way. Three, word of the attack on the World Trade Center was rumored in his neighborhood and he heard about it.

Investigators don’t know what to believe. “It’s creepy,” one told me before I got on the subway to go back to the office. “But what the hell are we going to do about it now?”

© 2003 Newsweek, Inc.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/3067562/t/chilling-tale/#.Va6EClr-LzI

I'm still rather stunned by this.
 
I'm still rather stunned by this.
I'm pretty sure that story (if not that version) has been posted on the MB before, so it doesn't stun me.

But there have been (and still are) so many 911 threads that it's quite easy to miss some stories.
 
Interesting, but not related -
I clicked on the link provided by Yithian yesterday and this morning had three 9/11 conspiracy videos recommended on Youtube.
 
There is a far greater number of Conspiracy 9/11 videos than mainstream 9/11 videos on Youtube.
The best things to watch are the hours of amateur footage filmed by those caught up in the disaster.
It's utterly mesmeric at times to view such chaos as a physically-and-temporally-deteached flaneur.
 
He's very plausible. Anyone else spot this convey as well?

Agreed, but one must be careful: New Yorkers - like Cockneys - seem to have built-in plausibility: salt of the Earth types and all that - yet both groups enjoy a good wind-up.
 
Filtering the wheat from the chaff on youtube:


This is precisely what I was talking about earlier when I mentioned the mesmeric amateur footage.
 

Not new but fascinating nonetheless. It's by Wearechange.org and argues that 9.11 was intended to destroy the evidence of monstrous financial scams. It doesn't cover everything, like the hijackers backstory, but well worth a watch.
 
I didn’t know my local bartender was a 9/11 Truther. Boyishly handsome with dirty blond hair and wearing his T-shirt inside out, he appeared to be eavesdropping on me at a Brooklyn tavern last week as I told a friend that I was working on a piece about “Truthers” -- Americans who believe the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, in New York, Washington, D.C., and Pennsylvania were staged or executed not by terrorists but by the American government.

“Inside job,” the bartender piped up, without making eye contact. I asked him if he was just making fun or if he was truly a believer himself.

“Yeah, man, I’m a believer," he said, pouring me a drink.

“Yeah, man, I’m a believer."

Fourteen years after 9/11, Truthers, as they’ve been pejoratively labeled since 2001, have not gone away. Their conspiracy theories can be traced back to the first months after the attack, multiplying over the Internet through message boards, articles and, eventually, homemade documentaries such as the low-budget cult hit “Loose Change,” which racked up 10 million views and topped Google Video in 2006, an outstanding feat in the pre-YouTube era. Organizations like 911truth.org and Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth cropped up, bringing together like-minded skeptics of the official narrative that 19 Islamic extremists hijacked four commercial airplanes and carried out the most devastating terrorist attack in U.S. history.

There are even conferences dedicated to discussing a broader strategy to push the movement’s narrative into the mainstream.

http://www.ibtimes.com/911-conspira...ruthers-still-looking-their-big-break-2091474
 
Richard D. Hall has done some thought provoking documentaries on 9/11 but I gather that hes not a fan of this forum. So I wont bother placing a link to his website as Im not sure what/if any history he has with Fortean Times?

Apologies if rich planet has been discussed earlier only Imnot going to read through all 62 pages here.
 
Yeah, I saw that a few days ago.
It does illustrate perfectly what would happen even if the steel didn't melt.
 
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Rana H. ‏@RanaHarbi 2h2 hours ago
#SaudiArabia threatens to pull $750B from US if Congress allows them to be sued for 9/11 http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/saudi-arabia-warns-750b-response-9-11-liability-suit-article-1.2603675…

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An American-born businessman wants to raise £1m to stage a bizarre recreation of the 9/11 attacks on the World Trade Centre in New York.


Paul Salo, who now lives in Thailand, has said he wants to purchase a 'Boeing 747' and smash it into the side of an empty building in the countryside at 500mph.


He describes it as an 'important project' to prove conspiracy theories about the terror atrocities 'once and for all'.


Mr Salo is hoping to crowdfund the event and is selling 'front-row seats' to the outlandish spectacle in Thailand for $5000 each (£3,500).


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/businessman-raising-1m-recreate-911-7981317
 
It's a very useful and interesting idea.
It would be a way of testing the issue under controlled conditions. It's only any good if the building has similar construction techniques to the WTC.
Also...doesn't a 747 and the building cost more than £1m?
And...what could possibly go wrong?
 
It's a very useful and interesting idea.
It would be a way of testing the issue under controlled conditions. It's only any good if the building has similar construction techniques to the WTC.
Also...doesn't a 747 and the building cost more than £1m?
And...what could possibly go wrong?

It would need a conveniently condemned 400m+ building, many km from civilisation, with the same kind of steel beams and concrete pillars, with the same kind of insulation, same load, same design, with the same amount of jet fuel and other combustibles, with a plane of the same weight and, ideally, type, flown at the same speed and angle hitting at roughly the same height. There's far too many factors to realistically reproduce. On the other hand, this guy could earn a lot of money from gullible truthers. If he does manage to remotely pilot an old commercial aircraft (good luck persuading the Thai air authorities to allow that) into an old, very tall building, it would likely make a cool fireworks display and a profitable documentary and DVD.

He could easily run proper scientific experiments with steel girders and intense fires but it's the promised theatrics that bring in the media attention and money.

And if his experiment does somehow take place and the building collapses, the truthers will just say that explosive charges were set in the building and this guy is a CIA plant.
 
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