Murderers: How Many Have You Met?
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I was reading through this thinking that goodness everyone I know is quite dull by comparision 
Then I rembered about one of the boys in my class at school who is currently doing time for killing someone and also the strange fella who was volunteering with a youth club I was visiting who cornered me in the back room the first time we met and proceeded to tell me in great detail about the time he had put some fella feet first into one of those tree mulcher things. I am prone to thinking though that he was a bit of a fantascist and if he was trying to impress me or something with the story it didn't work, spoke to the manager of the club and he was got rid of quick smart, however if I ever dissapear suddenly you might want to have a word with him just incase.
Then I rembered about one of the boys in my class at school who is currently doing time for killing someone and also the strange fella who was volunteering with a youth club I was visiting who cornered me in the back room the first time we met and proceeded to tell me in great detail about the time he had put some fella feet first into one of those tree mulcher things. I am prone to thinking though that he was a bit of a fantascist and if he was trying to impress me or something with the story it didn't work, spoke to the manager of the club and he was got rid of quick smart, however if I ever dissapear suddenly you might want to have a word with him just incase.
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sisiphus said:
But was this two separate murders carried out independently or rather one murder executed by two co-conspiritors?
This does tweak the stats a little bit.
The mailman, believe it or not, when I was a teenager. He was a young man, who shared a house with his girlfriend and also with a buddy of the same age. You can about guess what happened; and being that this was the U.S. and there was a gun around and that they'd all been drinking.....
Most murders in the U.S. are domestic and unplanned. An argument... booze or drugs... a gun nearby... all make a bad combination.
In my youth I knew two teens who were murdered, despite the fact that we lived in a fairly safe town. I lived in Northern California back in the '70s, back when a couple of known serial killers (and some unknown ones) were on the loose. The Zodiac got one of them -- actually a friend of my sister's. The second one, they just found in a field along a rural road a couple of miles out of town, a month after she went missing.
Most murders in the U.S. are domestic and unplanned. An argument... booze or drugs... a gun nearby... all make a bad combination.
In my youth I knew two teens who were murdered, despite the fact that we lived in a fairly safe town. I lived in Northern California back in the '70s, back when a couple of known serial killers (and some unknown ones) were on the loose. The Zodiac got one of them -- actually a friend of my sister's. The second one, they just found in a field along a rural road a couple of miles out of town, a month after she went missing.
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Hey Glamarama, I believe we have a whole thread on the disposal of murder victims by tree-shredder. You may like to look it up, just in case you're sleeping too well at night!
Here it is! :shock:
Here it is! :shock:
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And don't forget the pigs....! :shock:escargot1 said:Hey Glamarama, I believe we have a whole thread on the disposal of murder victims by tree-shredder. You may like to look it up, just in case you're sleeping too well at night!
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sisiphus said:
Thanks for the additional information. It's not everybody who can claim that EIGHT PERCENT of their classmates became murderers! <g>
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Back during the 1960s while I still lived in Northern Kentucky I worked for the largest new bookstore in Cincinnati, Ohio.
The owner asked me to scan the Kentucky editions of the Cincinnati newspapers for articles on a Mr. and Mrs. _____________ (I no longer remember the name), a society couple from Louisville, Kentucky, who'd been members of the bookman's wedding party 30 years earlier.
Mr. _________ had just offed his wife after 30 years of marriage.
The owner asked me to scan the Kentucky editions of the Cincinnati newspapers for articles on a Mr. and Mrs. _____________ (I no longer remember the name), a society couple from Louisville, Kentucky, who'd been members of the bookman's wedding party 30 years earlier.
Mr. _________ had just offed his wife after 30 years of marriage.
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I was trying to think if I'd ever known a murderer and then I realized that I had, and in fairly recent years.
There was a previous vendor at the Cincinnati Old Time Radio and Nostalgia Convention who's now in prison for murdering his wife.
He even manned a table while he was out on bond awaiting trial.
He dealt mainly in Western pulps and comics, in which I have only limited interest, so I actually had few dealings with him.
I was trying to think if I'd ever known a murderer and then I realized that I had, and in fairly recent years.
There was a previous vendor at the Cincinnati Old Time Radio and Nostalgia Convention who's now in prison for murdering his wife.
He even manned a table while he was out on bond awaiting trial.
He dealt mainly in Western pulps and comics, in which I have only limited interest, so I actually had few dealings with him.
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tamyu said:
The ______ Brothers, 10 victims, 1978? (I'll not be any more specific here since I suspect it's your Mother's maiden name. I was going to use the initial and also the city but thought better of it.)
I just hope this hasn't caused you too many problems.
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I couldnt resist asking my co-workers and got a few weird looks
One of them claims to know the father of the child-rapist and killer who was recently convicted in an infamous Dutch murder case. The father used to bring his son (then a teenager) to a hobby-club my colleague frequented.
One of them claims to know the father of the child-rapist and killer who was recently convicted in an infamous Dutch murder case. The father used to bring his son (then a teenager) to a hobby-club my colleague frequented.
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You`re right.
I have no problems with the last name. My grandmother was their older sister - it was her maiden name. Not really close enough to directly link me to them...
However, as to causing me problems - Families of the victims showed up and harrassed me as a small child at school, etc. I was raised by my grandmother, so I lived with her and believe me, the press wasn`t nearly as secretive about the family`s residences as it should have been. We had people showing up years and years later, attacks on our property by family members of the victims, etc. (All within my memory, and I was born in 80)
It didn`t exactly follow me into adulthood, but I eventually moved completely out of the country. There was always that vague worry in the back of your mind that some friend will turn out to be a relative of a victim and do something awful...
You can`t imagine my shock when they even had a documentary on TV here - in Japan - about them.
Funny thing is - in the family, it was always said they killed TWELVE people. I don`t know who the other two were.
I also have a pile of family photos showing them as children...
escargot1 said:Hey Glamarama, I believe we have a whole thread on the disposal of murder victims by tree-shredder. You may like to look it up, just in case you're sleeping too well at night!
Here it is! :shock:
Well, that's just mean :lol:
I also found out today that a young girl I used to work with is up on an attempted murder charge for kicking another girl repeatedly in the head and then trying to hold her under the water in a nearby resevoir. *goes off to find the coincidences thread*
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Thaddeus never went by that name - He went by his middle name, Charles.
He was denied parole, and passed away a couple years ago from "lung congestion" that eventually caused his heart to fail.
Both their sisters passed on the beginning of this year.
There is a local unsolved murder in my town, and my best friend was in the room when someone confessed to doing it.
It was quite a matter- of- fact confession, by all accounts, and the confessor rightly assumed that nobody would go to the police because they would be too scared to.
The alleged murderer (murderess) is a dead- eyed, drug addicted hard-as-bloody-nails lesbian with extremely violent nay psychopathic tendencies. She has a very long criminal record and gives me an icy chill simply by seeing her walking past a window. She gave me a hug once in the pub when I was out with my dad and I nearly weed myself; this was about ten years ago, and my dad looked horrified!
Apparently she murdered this woman because she wouldn't go home with her, presumably because she was straight. I have no idea if the confession was true or if it was said to bolster her image. :shock:
It was quite a matter- of- fact confession, by all accounts, and the confessor rightly assumed that nobody would go to the police because they would be too scared to.
The alleged murderer (murderess) is a dead- eyed, drug addicted hard-as-bloody-nails lesbian with extremely violent nay psychopathic tendencies. She has a very long criminal record and gives me an icy chill simply by seeing her walking past a window. She gave me a hug once in the pub when I was out with my dad and I nearly weed myself; this was about ten years ago, and my dad looked horrified!
Apparently she murdered this woman because she wouldn't go home with her, presumably because she was straight. I have no idea if the confession was true or if it was said to bolster her image. :shock:
I asked my mum about this, and she said that her cousin's son is in jail for murdering someone. We've never met him though - most of the family only found out about it by accident somehow.
My dad used to visit a killer in a secure hospital (I'm not sure why). I now work there, but I have very little contact with the patients. It's conceivable I've spoken to some killers there, although I don't know who any of the patients are or why they're there.
And this is a tenuous one - when I was a kid, we lived abroad for a while. Apparently, the servant of a friend of the family's uncle (hope you followed that) had been in prison for murder. While he was there, he learned the art of massage, and used to massage the governor(!), which I believe went some way towards securing an early release. This chap massaged my dad, and I think I might have met him on a couple of occasions.
My dad used to visit a killer in a secure hospital (I'm not sure why). I now work there, but I have very little contact with the patients. It's conceivable I've spoken to some killers there, although I don't know who any of the patients are or why they're there.
And this is a tenuous one - when I was a kid, we lived abroad for a while. Apparently, the servant of a friend of the family's uncle (hope you followed that) had been in prison for murder. While he was there, he learned the art of massage, and used to massage the governor(!), which I believe went some way towards securing an early release. This chap massaged my dad, and I think I might have met him on a couple of occasions.
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This is a very loose definition of known but my b/fs mum's best friend (are you still with me) was married to a slightly dodgy character many years ago. The impression I've gleaned was that he was a bit rough with shady dealings but seemed okay. I can't remember the full details, but one day the police came round with a search warrant and found a body in the car! Husband was arrested and put in prison. The b/f was very young when this happened and so doesn't know the full details of it all.
Also, a house down the road from us (about 5 doors up on the other side, could see it from our house) was the scene for a very nasty and bloody murder. A wife and son waited for the husband to come home one night from the pub and murdered him with an iron. According to one of the police offices, there was blood everywhere. We found out afterwards that he had been drinking and abusing the wife and son for a number of years and they snapped one day. I think the son did time for it - I left the area soon after for uni and missed the details. I didn't know the family myself but our neighbours did. The husband was thought of as a nice, sweet man. Strange isn't it?
(Not murder related but a mate of mine used to babysit for a family in Germany - english family I should add. when we were back in the UK we read about a couple arrested for child porn/abuse/peadophilia in the town where we were.... sadly it was the same family :x )
Also, a house down the road from us (about 5 doors up on the other side, could see it from our house) was the scene for a very nasty and bloody murder. A wife and son waited for the husband to come home one night from the pub and murdered him with an iron. According to one of the police offices, there was blood everywhere. We found out afterwards that he had been drinking and abusing the wife and son for a number of years and they snapped one day. I think the son did time for it - I left the area soon after for uni and missed the details. I didn't know the family myself but our neighbours did. The husband was thought of as a nice, sweet man. Strange isn't it?
(Not murder related but a mate of mine used to babysit for a family in Germany - english family I should add. when we were back in the UK we read about a couple arrested for child porn/abuse/peadophilia in the town where we were.... sadly it was the same family :x )
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About 8 years ago my then teenage sister briefly went out with a bloke going by the vaguely amusing name of Barry White. The 'relationship' ended when he continually pretended to be someone else whenever my sister called him. He's now in prison for murdering his last girlfriend after a night out. Not sure what the motive was. Having said that, there is some debate as to whether or not he was in fact responsible for her murder and the case was the focus of a Rough Justice prog on the BBC a year or so ago. Either way, he's in prison having been found guilty of murder so I guess that counts.
Also, my dad claims to have had a paper round that included the home of serial killer Dennis Nilsen. As my dad isn't the best when it comes to not telling outrageous lies, I may have to make this one a tentative claim. I think Nilsen was in the army until 1972 after which he moved to North London so geographically speaking it's possible. But my dad would have been around 19 or so and AFAIK working for the local housing dept at the time so why he would be delivering newspapers as well is beyond me. But it's his story and he's sticking with it. He claims that he even spoke to Nilsen a few times and, as with all the best hindsight tales, always thought the guy was a weirdo.
Also, my dad claims to have had a paper round that included the home of serial killer Dennis Nilsen. As my dad isn't the best when it comes to not telling outrageous lies, I may have to make this one a tentative claim. I think Nilsen was in the army until 1972 after which he moved to North London so geographically speaking it's possible. But my dad would have been around 19 or so and AFAIK working for the local housing dept at the time so why he would be delivering newspapers as well is beyond me. But it's his story and he's sticking with it. He claims that he even spoke to Nilsen a few times and, as with all the best hindsight tales, always thought the guy was a weirdo.
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Funny how suddenly things keep occurring to me now I’ve started thinking about it.
The b/f’s best mate’s mum was murdered when he was about ten. She was pregnant at the time. The guy came out of prison a couple of years ago. B/f and mates sat around offering help to mate to try and track the killer down to get their revenge but rather sensibly the mate has decided not to try and exact any revenge, instead choosing to live and let live. Although I don’t condone vigilante and I believe in this case, although the sentence does seem to be lenient (I think it was only ten years), he was punished and has served his time. However…. If it happened to someone I knew/loved, I don’t know how rational I could be about it.
When I was doing my A-Levels there was a particularly nasty murder of a man who turned out to be a close family member of a friend of my mum’s. He was well known and loved by her family but at the time of the murder, her eldest daughter was sitting GCSEs. My mum’s friend made the decision to wait until after exams before she told the daughter as she was in a high state of stress anyway. She said she had to hide the newspapers and censor the news and lived in fear of someone telling her daughter in passing.
Someone I once worked with, her boyfriend was mates with a guy who had done time in prison for a hit and run.
Two of my teachers at secondary school not only had the surnames Sutcliffe and Hindley but also had links to the Yorkshire area. Naturally as kids we found this hilarious and no doubt made comments about it to all and sundry, not caring about the effects it might have.
There was a murder in Walsall quite recently (my parents live there) - a guy was found dead in an alley early one morning. My mate was walking to work and on the way a man pushed past him, covered in blood! Sadly he hadn’t taken a good enough glimpse to be considered a witness, although I think he did inform the police anyway.
The b/f’s best mate’s mum was murdered when he was about ten. She was pregnant at the time. The guy came out of prison a couple of years ago. B/f and mates sat around offering help to mate to try and track the killer down to get their revenge but rather sensibly the mate has decided not to try and exact any revenge, instead choosing to live and let live. Although I don’t condone vigilante and I believe in this case, although the sentence does seem to be lenient (I think it was only ten years), he was punished and has served his time. However…. If it happened to someone I knew/loved, I don’t know how rational I could be about it.
When I was doing my A-Levels there was a particularly nasty murder of a man who turned out to be a close family member of a friend of my mum’s. He was well known and loved by her family but at the time of the murder, her eldest daughter was sitting GCSEs. My mum’s friend made the decision to wait until after exams before she told the daughter as she was in a high state of stress anyway. She said she had to hide the newspapers and censor the news and lived in fear of someone telling her daughter in passing.
Someone I once worked with, her boyfriend was mates with a guy who had done time in prison for a hit and run.
Two of my teachers at secondary school not only had the surnames Sutcliffe and Hindley but also had links to the Yorkshire area. Naturally as kids we found this hilarious and no doubt made comments about it to all and sundry, not caring about the effects it might have.
There was a murder in Walsall quite recently (my parents live there) - a guy was found dead in an alley early one morning. My mate was walking to work and on the way a man pushed past him, covered in blood! Sadly he hadn’t taken a good enough glimpse to be considered a witness, although I think he did inform the police anyway.
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A colleague who comes from a Carribean island told me he had two convicted murderers living in his street. They had committed the crime when young, had done their time and now were ordinary citizens living ordinary lives. (The island is known for illegal drugs smuggling.)
Around six years ago, one of the bartenders from a friend's pub (her family owned it and I stayed there a number of times so I must have met this man) raped and murdered a teenage girl (who also worked at the pub) and dumped her body in a ditch. Apparently the killer's surname was very similar to (if not the same as) my family name and we may have been related. I foolishly mentioned this to a cab driver once and was met with stony silence. It was a big case at the time, especially as the gossip mills went into overdrive when another body (which later turned out to be an unrelated suicide) was found hanging from a tree in a nearby park a few hours later.
I can´t say I´ve knowingly met a murderer, guess that comes from growing up in a small town in Denmark. However our neighbour in the house across the street started doing a bit of drugs. One day he went nuts and tied up his wife, and was going to kill her with a knife. He was distracted though, and she managed to get out of the house and across the road to my parents house where my dad untied her and called the cops. The husband is still on the loose, due to some technicalities I believe.
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How many murderers have I met? I grew up in Easterhouse, so it's probably a very high number. Victims too.
Unfortunately (for this discussion, not unfortunately for me ), I can't recall any specific people or cases - just knowing that area, it's highly likely. I'll have to ask my parents, which I will do tomorrow.
Unfortunately (for this discussion, not unfortunately for me
), I can't recall any specific people or cases - just knowing that area, it's highly likely. I'll have to ask my parents, which I will do tomorrow.
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I dont no any murderers but i have seen a murderer seen on the way to schooll one day. some guy had hes brains blown out the body was not thare but a small bit of brain mater was left thare and a big pool of blood i near puket up.
Back in the 70's I had started my first job in computers. To test some new machines we needed 1,000,000 hand-marked readable tickets. The only organisation capable of marking such a large number of tickets was HMPS.
So I spent 6 months travelling around all the prisons in England, teaching the inmates how to mark up these tickets. As this was regarded as a "high status" prison job it was given to murderers etc. so I met just about every convicted murderer in England in 1971 including the Krays and the Richardsons.
What goes around comes around. After a blameless (?) career in the City I am now semi-retired and work as an interpreter. Through this I have met a few murderers in the last couple of years.
So I spent 6 months travelling around all the prisons in England, teaching the inmates how to mark up these tickets. As this was regarded as a "high status" prison job it was given to murderers etc. so I met just about every convicted murderer in England in 1971 including the Krays and the Richardsons.
What goes around comes around. After a blameless (?) career in the City I am now semi-retired and work as an interpreter. Through this I have met a few murderers in the last couple of years.