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Napoleon Bonaparte

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Bonaparte survived St. Helena?

An auction and a couple of films have sparked a bit of interest in the possibility that Bonaparte survived poisoning by his own wallpaper.

Today, a piece of wallpaper less than one and a half inches long and one inch wide will be auctioned at the Assembly Rooms in Ludlow, Shropshire. It is expected to fetch up to £1,000. As you may have guessed, this is no strip of emulsioned Anaglypta from a Shrewsbury semi, but something of considerable age and potentially great historical importance. For this piece of paper was originally pasted to the bedroom wall of Longwood House: Napoleon Bonaparte's last - or at least last known - address. It was here, on the bleak South Atlantic island of St Helena, that the portly Corsican was held in British custody from his defeat at Waterloo until his death six years later at age 52. And it was here that Napoleon, it's believed, suffered death by wallpaper

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Perhaps there is a great deal of truth in Napoleon's remark: "History is a lie that nobody contests." Or maybe not: there are more theories about Napoleon's death than there were Bonapartes on European thrones in 1810. Napoleon was closer to the truth when he said: "Man's passion for the fantastical is such that they will sacrifice reason to it." This surely explains the most outlandish theory about Napoleon: that he contracted a hormonal disease and gradually turned into a woman. No wonder De Caunes says: "What fascinated me was the idea of fiction anchored in a reality that is open to various interpretations."

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These fanciful cinematic interpretations gain plausibility from questions surrounding Napoleon's remains. For instance, how did his famously rotten teeth become so white after his death? And why did his death mask bear greater resemblance to the face of his butler, Cipriani, than to any of his own portraits?

The cause of death is another area of contention. The official cause determined at autopsy was stomach cancer, but that is only the most boring possible explanation. The more interesting ones involve conspiracies and murder (one theory has it that he was poisoned by a French count in his entourage, with the support of the British), or accidental death, such as the toxic wallpaper theory.

The French government has recently announced that it is prepared to consider conducting DNA tests on the body lying in Les Invalides. Such tests may resolve whether it is really that of Napoleon, but they will hardly solve the mystery of the cause of death.

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Of course, none of this brings us any nearer to the truth of Napoleon's final years. Nor, no doubt, will the sale of the Napoleonic wallpaper later today. In fact, it may confuse the issue - like other auctions of Napoleonic memorabilia in Britain that have raised more questions than answers. A few years ago, a piece of his (presumed) coffin and a fragment of his shroud, taken from the St Helena grave by a British soldier in 1840, were auctioned; they solved nothing. Ten years ago, Sotheby's sold a pair of Napoleon's socks containing a bag of his foot dust; these, too, shed no light on the strange events on St Helena.

And then there was the bizarre incident at Christie's in 1972, when a one-inch "micro-penis", supposedly cut from the dictator's body during the autopsy and stored in a jar of formaldehyde, was put up for sale. This lot, which reportedly looked like a grape, was withdrawn because it failed to make its reserve price. But whose historical artefact was this? Was it Cipriani's, the obliging butler? Did it belong to Lenormand, the lookalike nobody? Or was it the very private property of Napoleon Bonaparte, the great lover and even greater emperor? We may never know. But it does put the mockers on the notion of him mutating into a woman because of a hormonal disorder. Or does it?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/features/story/0,11710,1063739,00.html

I also liked his quote:

"Man's passion for the fantastical is such that they will sacrifice reason to it."

Emps
 
there are some wonderful conspiracy theories concerning Napoleons 'death' one of my favourites being that he was shot in the grounds of a German castle trying to release his son
 
Surely there is a thread devoted to him?

"Watch out, or Old Boney will get you!"
 
HA: We do usualy have something to say about him when we start a thread - there are an awful lot of people not covered by threads because no one has thought to post anything Fortean about them. It hardly seems worth starting a thread on the offchance. Unless you know something you aren't teling?
 
I just thought he was an intreging character, thats all.

our attitudes to him, He turned Europe upside down, started a war that costed millions of lives, yet many people regard him as an almost-hero....

And its in all probability his interest in the matter that started the very Fortean science of Egyptology.
 
Napoleon on Britain.


(The English Channel) is a mere ditch.


England is a nation of shopkeepers.


Masters of the Channel for six hours, we are masters of the world.


Two powers like France and England, with a good understanding between them, might govern the world.


Pitty we didn't listen to him, we might not be in such a mess today.
 
As there was already a thread on Boney I have merged the two threads.
 
What's this? A conspiracy theory that doesn't blame the CiA or George Bush? Where's the fun in that?
 
marslight42 said:
What's this? A conspiracy theory that doesn't blame the CiA or George Bush? Where's the fun in that?

I quite like the idea of a lone painter and decorator throwing a roll of arsenic saturated wallpaper at Boneparte from a book depository.
 
There certainly was a conspiracy, headed by Great Britain, to topple Bonaparte from his throne. Until the invasion of Spain in 1808, Napoleon was fighting a series of defensive campaigns against coalitions dead set upon restoring the Bourbons and wiping French liberalism from the cultural map. He seems to have sincerely desired peace to develop france into a colonial power, and only took the true offensive when it was apparent that he had no choice. Had he maintained the defensive, he might have made it through the storm; as it was, taking on the occupation of Spain and Russia (the one to apply economic pressure to Britain, the other to take the other persistant enemy out of the picture) broke his power, and led to the occupation of France and his abdication.

The image of the 'Corsican Ogre' out to bathe Europe in blood for the sake of a vaulting ambition originates in the English histories composed during the first part of the 19th century, and the propaganda circulating during the wars.
 
Badly maligned by Hanoverian apologists.

And the hand in the waistcoat thing - another myth, perpetuated by satirists, taken from one of David's portraits. The pose was quite common in late 18th century portraiture.

So, not a meglomaniac, and no nervous twitches, either.

A common rumour in these parts has it he was Muslim, but there is no evidence to back that up, so it is probably wishful thinking. There have been rumours of misconduct with his Mameluke bodyguard, however....;)
 
Originally posted by Alexius
[ He seems to have sincerely desired peace to develop france into a colonial power, and only took the true offensive when it was apparent that he had no choice. ]

Hmmm.... not sure I'm convinced N was quite so peace loving, Alexius. What about his 1806 Prussian campaign, possibly his finest militarily, but not absolutely necessary?

It's hard to differentiate between "let's invade them before they invade us" and "let's just invade anyway" ;)

Don't you think there's just a small possibility that Napoleon was just the teeniest bit personally ambitious?
 
I think it depends on how you read it. I tend to the view that the Jena/Auerstadt campaign was a pre-emptive strike - the Prussians had remained aloof of the previous year's troubles, but with diplomatic channels to London and Moscow open. Having knocked the Russians and Austrians back at Austerlitz, I guess he saw the opportunity to take the Prussians down a notch without having to worry too much about his flank.

I believe he was ambitious, but not necessarily for dominon over Europe. He certainly brooked no opposition in France, and aspired to make his nation a colonial power by exploiting the weakness of the Ottoman Empire and (I believe) expanding french trade into the Far East. As far as he was concerned, he had already proven he was a military genius by 1805, so he didn't feel he had anything to prove on any European battlefield.

A complex man living in complex times.
 
Napoleon conspiracy theory killed off by cottage papers

Napoleon conspiracy theory killed off by cottage papers
By A Scotland Correspondent



A MANUSCRIPT that experts claim confirms Napoleon Bonaparte died of cancer and not poisoning has been uncovered in a remote Scottish cottage.
For decades historians have argued over the cause of Napoleon’s death, with many believing he was the victim of an elaborate murder plot.



FBI investigators carried out a DNA analysis of his hair to try to prove poisoning with arsenic. Some historians have even claimed that Napoleon faked his own death.

But now a manuscript written by a doctor who examined his body the day after his death on May 5, 1821, has been found in the south of Scotland, hidden among belongings given to an auction house by a private seller.

It is due to go under the hammer tomorrow at Thomson Roddick & Medcalf’s auction house in Carlisle.

Napoleon was imprisoned and then exiled by the British on St Helena from October 15, 1815, after his defeat at the Battle of Waterloo. History records that when he died on the South Atlantic island, his personal physician, Francesco Antommarchi, carried out a post-mortem examination and recorded stomach cancer as the cause of death.

It is known that six unnamed British Army doctors were present. The new document’s author is thought to have been one of the six, although the manuscript is unsigned.

The writer reports that Napoleon’s stomach was the “entire seat of the disease, which was a cancer or a schirrious state of that viscus! The disease must have caused great pain and appeared to be of considerable standing.”

Steve Lee, military auctioneer for Thomson Roddick & Medcalf, said he was convinced the document was genuine. “We have absolutely no idea how it came to be in a house in Scotland and the seller wishes to remain private, but we believe it is a significant document which puts an end to theories of murdered with arsenic,” he said. “We also know that Napoleon ’s father died of stomach cancer, so there is a family history of it.”

Some historians have argued that the British governor of St Helena conspired with a French count, Charles de Montholon, to assassinate Napoleon, fearing he would escape and return to France.

Dr Michael Broers, Fellow at Lady Margaret Hall, Oxford, and a Napoleon expert, said: “If this document confirms anything, it is simply what most mainstream historians have always felt. It’s been well known that Napoleon did suffer from a stomach illness for a number of years and that is the received wisdom.

“The conspiracy theories have all, by and large, been promoted by amateur historians.”

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/ ... 34,00.html
 
In one final attempt to deal with Wellington, Bonaparte threw his undefeated veterans at the recalcitrant thin red line, which buckled under the strain.

The moment of victory was at hand when upon Wellington's command, 1500 Guardsmen stood immediately in front of their French counterparts and stopped the advance with a withering point-blank series of volleys. :twisted:
 
England is a nation of shopkeepers.

N may have intended this remark to be scornful, but it just shows how he underestimated England.

To be a succesful shopkeeper requires a wide range of skills, from personal interactions to technical knowledge. You need numeracy, literacy, a grasp of detail and the ability to see the bigger picture.
You need to be accomodating in some stuations, and hard-nosed in others (and savvy enough to know which is which).

All these qualities should have been better appreciated by a great General!

signed:

an English shopkeeper.


:D :D :D
 
rynner said:
England is a nation of shopkeepers.
[.....]
signed:

an English shopkeeper.
As epitomised by Arkwright in Open All Hours, being reprised on a Ronnie Barker tribute right now, as is the Four Candles sketch -
stuff like that happens all the time in ROCS!
 
Auctioned manuscript provides more proof of Napoleon’s death

Auctioned manuscript provides more proof of Napoleon’s death

A manuscript written by a doctor who examined Napoleon Bonaparte’s body after he died has been discovered in Scotland. The document was composed the day after the exiled French Emperor died on May 5th, 1821. It was unearthed in a cottage in the south of Scotland amongst a collection offered to an auction house. The item is being auctioned this week at Thomson Roddick & Medcalf’s auctioneers in Carlisle. Napoleon’s physician, Francesco Antommarchi, recorded after a post-mortem that he had died of stomach cancer. There were six anonymous British Army doctors at the examination on the island of St Helena and it is thought one of these physicians wrote the manuscript being auctioned. It states: ‘Entire seat of the disease, which was a cancer or a schirrious state of that viscus! The disease must have caused great pain and appeared to be of considerable standing.’ Steve Lee, military auctioneer for Thomson Roddick & Medcalf, commented: ‘We have absolutely no idea how it came to be in a house in Scotland and the seller wishes to remain private, but we believe it is a significant document which puts an end to theories of murdered with arsenic. We also know that Napoleon ’s father died of stomach cancer, so there is a family history of it.’ Conspiracy theories surrounding Napoleon’s death have included arsenic poisoning by the British who had him exiled to the Atlantic following the Battle of Waterloo. (October 11th)


Napoleon
 
rynner said:
As epitomised by Arkwright in Open All Hours, being reprised on a Ronnie Barker tribute right now, as is the Four Candles sketch - stuff like that happens all the time in ROCS!

Could have all gone wrong if Arkwright was calling the shots though -

"Fer..ferferer..fer ferFRONT RANK, fer..fer..ferferer..ferFIRE!

Fer...Fuck. Too late!"
 
Web address: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 131630.htm


Source: UT Southwestern Medical Center
Date: January 16, 2007

Napoleon's Mysterious Death Unmasked
Science Daily — A new investigation into Napoleon Bonaparte's cause of death might finally put to rest nearly 200 years of lingering mysteries about the illness that killed the French emperor during his island exile, a UT Southwestern Medical Center scientist reports.


Dr. Robert Genta, professor of pathology and internal medicine, helped investigate the cause of Napoleon Bonaparte's death nearly 200 years ago by applying modern pathological and tumor-staging methods to historical accounts. (Image courtesy of UT Southwestern Medical Center)

American, Swiss and Canadian researchers applied modern pathological and tumor-staging methods to historical accounts and found that Napoleon died of a very advanced case of gastric cancer that stemmed from an ulcer-causing bacterial infection in his stomach, rather than a heretofore belief of a hereditary disposition to the cancer. The analysis, which also refutes rumors of arsenic poisoning, points to gastrointestinal bleeding as the likely immediate cause of death.

The report, available online and in the January edition of Nature Clinical Practice Gastroenterology & Hepatology, indicates that the despot's demise was imminent.

"This analysis suggests that, even if the emperor had been released or escaped from the island, his terminal condition would have prevented him from playing a further major role in the theater of European history," said Dr. Robert Genta, professor of pathology and internal medicine at UT Southwestern and senior author of the study. "Even today, with the availability of sophisticated surgical techniques and chemotherapies, patients with gastric cancer as advanced as Napoleon's have a poor prognosis."

Napoleon, born Aug. 15, 1769, ruled France in the late 1700s and early 1800s. He conquered much of Europe, but he was ultimately defeated at the battle of Waterloo in 1815. The British then exiled him to St. Helena, an island in the South Atlantic Ocean.

He died May 5, 1821.

The cause of his death has been highly scrutinized over the years. Dr. Genta and his colleagues, whose research focuses on gastritis and gastric cancer, investigated the case because of their interest in the way disease affects the behavior of historical figures and, in turn, the course of history. In Napoleon's case, they were intrigued by a popular notion that Napoleon could have altered the balance of European power had he escaped his exile.

An autopsy at the time cited stomach cancer as the cause of death. A study done in 1938 indicated that Napoleon's father died of stomach cancer. In 1961, an elevated level of arsenic was found in hair taken from Napoleon, inspiring rumors of arsenic poisoning.

To find answers, Dr. Genta and the other researchers combined current medical knowledge and autopsy reports, memoirs of the physicians who treated Napoleon on the island, eyewitness accounts and medical histories of family members.

Autopsy and physician descriptions revealed no telltale signs of arsenic poisoning, such as hemorrhaging in the lining inside the heart, and no skin, lung or bladder cancers were present.

Gastric cancer was more likely at fault, Dr. Genta said. Other scholars have recently found that the plump emperor lost at least 20 pounds in the last six months of his life, a sign of gastric cancer. The autopsy descriptions show that Napoleon's stomach was filled with a dark material that resembled coffee grounds, an indication of gastrointestinal bleeding that likely was the immediate cause of death, Dr. Genta said. The most important description was of a large, ulcerated lesion on his stomach, and a smaller ulcerated lesion in another part of his stomach that had penetrated the wall and reached the liver.

The researchers -- obviously unable to observe the body -- compared the original descriptions of the lesions with modern images of 50 benign ulcers and 50 gastric cancers. They determined that no benign cancer could look like the lesion described in the autopsy.

"It was a huge mass from the entrance of his stomach to the exit. It was at least 10 centimeters long. Size alone suggests the lesion was cancer," Dr. Genta said.

They then used a state-of-the-art tumor-staging method from 21st century pathology and determined that Napoleon had at least T3N1M0, or Stage IIIA, gastric cancer, which is very severe. The method grades severity on a 1 to 4 scale, with 4 being the worst case. The "T" designates cancer size; the "N" designates the presence of lymph nodes, which are associated with tumors; and the "M" designates metastasis of the cancer to other organs. The autopsy and other accounts indicate that the cancer was large, lymph nodes were present around the stomach and there were no tumors in other organs. Only 20 percent of patients with Stage IIIA gastric cancer survive five years if treated with modern surgery and chemotherapy.

But what might have caused Napoleon's cancer?

Risk factors for gastric cancer include male gender, genetic susceptibility, chronic gastritis and infection by the bacteria Helicobacter pylori.

Although genetic susceptibility is a possible cause, it's not likely, Dr. Genta said. That's because the autopsy of Napoleon's father described a tumor that might have been something other than gastric cancer. And because autopsies were not performed on other Bonaparte family members, their causes of death can only be speculated upon based on symptoms or medical reports.

Instead, the ulcerated lesion on the emperor's stomach suggests a history of chronic H. pylori gastritis, which might have increased his risk of gastric cancer, Dr. Genta said. The risk might have been further increased by his diet full of salt-preserved foods but sparse in fruits and vegetables -- common fare for long military campaigns.

"Even if treated today, he'd have been dead within a year," he said.

Dr. Genta completed some of the work for this report while at the University of Geneva. Researchers from the Aarau Cantonal Hospital and the Institute of Pathology at the University Hospital of Basel, both in Switzerland, and McGill University in Montreal also contributed.

Note: This story has been adapted from a news release issued by UT Southwestern
 
And now the search for Napoleon's gold continues anew.

A Russian historian has come up with a new theory about the legend that the French Emperor Napoleon hid wagonloads of stolen treasure during his disastrous retreat from Moscow in 1812.

Viacheslav Ryzhkov says treasure-hunters have been looking in the wrong place for 200 years, and told his local Rabochy Put newspaper that they should turn their attention to his home town of Rudnya, near the border with Belarus. There have been persistent rumours for over 200 years that Napoleon's defeated Grande Armée made off with 80 tonnes of gold and other valuables that his soldiers had looted in Moscow, and buried it en route back to France when the going got too tough.

No trace of it has ever been found, but Philippe de Ségur, a member of Napoleon's staff, said the treasure was dumped in Lake Semlevo in Smolensk Region. The site appeared credible, as the French army abandoned large amounts of arms and ammunition nearby. Various Russian officials, archaeologists and treasure-hunters have searched the lake since the 1830s, to no avail.

But other historians think General de Ségur's account was an attempt to divert attention from the treasure's real resting place, and have suggested the River Berezina in Belarus as a likely site. A Franco-Belarusian expedition in 2012 found nothing.

https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-46745792
 
Some of Napoleon's personal items and hair are being auctioned to commemorate the 200th anniversary of his death.
Napoleon's used hanky goes on sale

How much would you pay for a 200-year-old second-hand handkerchief? How about a strip of blood-stained cotton used at an autopsy? Or some old hair? ...

Well, such delights are on offer this Wednesday at the Osenat auction house in Fontainebleau near Paris to mark the 200th anniversary of the death of Napoleon Bonaparte.

"These precious objects were given to my father by the General de Montholon on his return from St Helena," reads a sworn statement accompanying the objects, signed by the "second duke of Bassono". ...

The objects include "a small white silk bag enclosing the hair of HM Emperor Napoleon I" as well as his personalised handkerchief and a cloth used in his autopsy. ...
FULL STORY: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/napoleon-s-used-hanky-goes-on-sale/ar-BB1glsyt
 
Sounds like a bargain, but it's snot.
 
If Napoleon was cloned from the contents of his hanky would he be a bogey man?
 
Just another common or garden murderous dictator.
 
A strong opening:

GRAND ERRATUM. THE NON-EXISTENCE OF NAPOLEON PROVED.
BY JEAN-BAPTISTE


Napoleon Bonaparte, of whom so much has been said and written, never even existed. He is nothing more than an allegorical personage. He is the personification of the sun; and we can prove our assertion by showing how everything related of Napoleon the Great has been borrowed from the great luminary. Let us see briefly what we are told of this remarkable man.

We are told:

  • That he was called Napoleon Bonaparte;
  • That he was born in an island in the Mediterranean sea;
  • That his mother's name was Letitia;
  • That he had three sisters and four brothers, three of whom were kings;
  • That he had two wives, one of whom bore him a son;
  • That he put an end to a great revolution;
  • That he had under him sixteen marshals of the empire, twelve of whom were in active service;
  • That he prevailed in the South, and was defeated in the North;
  • To conclude, that after a reign of twelve years, begun upon his arrival from the East, he departed, and disappeared in the Western seas.
It remains for us to ascertain whether these various details are borrowed from the sun, and we hope that every reader of this disquisition will rise convinced that this is the case.

Full Text:
https://ia800905.us.archive.org/1/items/napoleonmythcont00evanuoft/napoleonmythcont00evanuoft.pdf
The whole pamphlet is a very clever parody designed to make a point about historiography, but it's full of illuminating facts and examples.
 
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