Naughty Priests, Pastors, Ministers & Clergy

British clergyman, 69, dies during night of drug-fuelled sex with Belgian priest, 60, who is then arrested after cops find ecstasy in his Antwerp rectory​

A British clergyman died after a night of sex and drugs with a Belgian priest who has since been arrested on drug-related charges, Belgian authorities revealed.

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St. Joseph's Church, the parish church in Heide, where the clergyman died

The 69-year-old Brit, who has not been named, was spending the evening with his fellow cleric, 60, at a rectory in Kalmthout, north of Antwerp, on Thursday.

After taking ecstasy and poppers together and having sex, the British priest suddenly fell unwell, the prosecutor's office said.

Shortly after midnight, his Belgian colleague, identified only as Pastor B., called the emergency services, who could not resuscitate his companion.

'It appears that the two men had used ecstasy and poppers together and had had sex,' the prosecutor's office revealed on Saturday.

'Two ecstasy pills were also found,' they said.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...gyman-antwerp-drug-sex-dies-pope-belgium.html

maximus otter
 
Another sex N drug scandal ... What is it with these priests ????
 
Today I saw this one. I feel for this priest. I think celibacy is a bad idea. And I think a priest may be very good even with (or because of) his Grindr side hobby.


Catholic priest outed for using Grindr sues app for not maintaining his privacy​

Jeffrey Burrill resigned from the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops after his usage of the hookup app was exposed​


https://www.friendlyatheist.com/p/catholic-priest-outed-for-using-grindr
 
Manhattan Franciscan Friar Pleads Guilty To Fraud Related To Fake Medical Charity In Beirut, Lebanon

BIELECKI is a friar in the Capuchin Order, a Catholic order of priests and brothers, who is based out of a friary in New York City. BIELECKI engaged in a fraudulent scheme related to fake medical clinics he claimed to operate in Lebanon. Through appearances and advertisements on radio programs and online podcasts, as well as various other media, including campaigns on various crowdfunding websites, BIELECKI fraudulently obtained more than $560,000 in donations from victims by claiming, among other misrepresentations, to run medical clinics in Beirut, Lebanon, when in fact BIELECKI was keeping victims’ donations for his personal use.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/p...lty-fraud-related-fake-medical-charity-beirut
 
The Archbishop of Canterbury resigned last week over the Church of England's failure to report the crimes of serial child abuser John Smyth.
Quite rightly too. The buck stops with the boss, and the boss was him.

I've read that when he took over the post he had a lot of business to deal with and may not have prioritised this particularly unsavoury matter.
Also, it would make the Church look bad and we can't have THAT now, can we? :thought:

As I never tire of stating, abuse of vulnerable people is a police matter. It's not some internal problem to be dealt with by disciplinary procedures or redeployment.
Tell the police, let them deal with it. That's their job.

Church at precarious moment after Welby resignation
After a turbulent week and the dramatic resignation of the man that leads it, the Church of England is trying to take stock at what is a precarious moment.

There are many within the faith who have experienced this as a deeply painful time and for whom the direction the institution takes now is profoundly important.

For some, including abuse victims, that pain has come from the stark reminders that the Church is still not a place people can trust to do all the right things when it comes to keeping people safe.
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That Church needs root and branch reform. Fiddly kiddling is a hateful crime and those who looked the other way are just as guilty as the offenders.
As well as the trauma of children, think of the tarnished marriages and funerals officiated by those bastards.
 
Analogue Boy said:
think of the tarnished marriages and funerals officiated by those bastards.
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Their sins don't make any difference to the validity of the sacraments. If you believe the sacraments are valid then they remain untouched.

The episcopalian church does need reform. As do all institutions.

Focussing in one one example means that the society wide changes that are needed get lost in a piecemeal mess.

PS Not my church, I don't have a personal stake.
 
Frideswide said:
Their sins don't make any difference to the validity of the sacraments. If you believe the sacraments are valid then they remain untouched.

The episcopalian church does need reform. As do all institutions.

Focussing in one one example means that the society wide changes that are needed get lost in a piecemeal mess.

PS Not my church, I don't have a personal stake.
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I still get the impression that too many people in positions of power do not take child abuse (or indeed domestic abuse) as seriously as they should.
 
escargot said:
Sacraments? Besmirched.
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No, if you believe in the sacrament then it can't be besmirched. You can recoil in horror at your officiant but the sacrament itself is just fine and dandy.


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Having a millstone hanged about their necks and being drowned in the depths of the sea is too good for'em. :mad:
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Too merciful (and I'm not going to start killing people judically). Happy to do public humiliation togetther with minimal food, water, warmth, light and contact with other people. Unless they are neurologically like me in which case lots and lots of forced proximity to other humans.
 
Frideswide said:
No, if you believe in the sacrament then it can't be besmirched. You can recoil in horror at your officiant but the sacrament itself is just fine and dandy.
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Sacraments mean nothing to many. All they see is a parade of abusers using their power as a way to draw in vulnerable and trusting victims to maltreat.

If I'd gone to the trouble to ask God's blessing on my marriage and then discovered that the blessing had been delivered by a child abuser I wouldn't even feel married.
 
escargot said:
Sacraments mean nothing to many. All they see is a parade of abusers using their power as a way to draw in vulnerable and trusting victims to maltreat.

If I'd gone to the trouble to ask God's blessing on my marriage and then discovered that the blessing had been delivered by a child abuser I wouldn't even feel married.
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It's why I keep qualifying itwith "if you believe"...
 
Cochise said:
But if the whole church has gone to evil? I'm not sure the CofE can really be described as Christian any more.
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what makes you think this?

EDIT TO ADD: the church of christ is vested in the people who worship using the church. Unless you mean that all the Pisky congregations across the world are corrupt...?
 
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Dodgy money dealings as well.

A New York priest who let popstar Sabrina Carpenter film provocative scenes for a music video inside his church has been accused of mismanagement and stripped of his duties.

Monsignor Jamie Gigantiello was relieved of "any pastoral oversight or governance role" at the church, the Roman Catholic Diocese of Brooklyn said in a statement.

Church officials launched an investigation after the October 2023 music video release for Carpenter's hit song Feather, filmed inside the Our Lady of Mount Carmel Church.

The Diocese said the investigation found other instances of mismanagement beyond the music video that appalled some, including unapproved financial transfers.

"I am saddened to share that investigations conducted by Alvarez & Marsal and Sullivan & Cromwell LLP have uncovered evidence of serious violations of Diocesan policies and protocols," Bishop Robert Brennan said in the statement, according to the BBC's media partner CBS News.

A replacement was installed and Mr Gigantiello was removed from his responsibilities, the statement read.

Mr Gigantiello’s administrative powers had been revoked last November shortly after the criticism of Carpenter’s video.

He was also removed from fundraising duties as vicar of development for the diocese.

Images from Carpenter's video show a crucifix with profanity printed on it and also Carpenter dancing on the altar in a short black dress.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cz0m235y89go
 
Frideswide said:
what makes you think this?

EDIT TO ADD: the church of christ is vested in the people who worship using the church. Unless you mean that all the Pisky congregations across the world are corrupt...?
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Nope, the implication here is that certain of the clergy are untrustworthy and that other clergy and laity have an interest in protecting them from prosecution. That's how I see it anyway.

When I had young children I wouldn't have DREAMED of letting them spend time alone with men I didn't know. My own life experience had made me suspicious.
 
escargot said:
Nope, the implication here is that certain of the clergy are untrustworthy and that other clergy and laity have an interest in protecting them from prosecution. That's how I see it anyway.

When I had young children I wouldn't have DREAMED of letting them spend time alone with men I didn't know. My own life experience had made me suspicious.
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That's how I see it as well unfortunately. Welby was determined to hang on to his post until and refused to resign until the story came out fully and he realised he had no chance of survival. The arrogant little shit.

It has been reported that a senior member of the church did in fact report the matter to the Police but never followed it up. Even if these issues are reported to the Police my experience and apparently that of others is that you have to continually press the matter to get results.

It seems to be the case that the higher the office someone occupies in an affected institution the more they are likely to cover up whereas it should be the opposite. Even simply reporting to the Police is just not enough. I have always maintained that there should be prosecutions of those who have been proved to have covered up, along the lines of perverting the course of justive, aiding a felon etc, criminal negligence etc. New laws need to be introduced.
 
PeteS said:
That's how I see it as well unfortunately. Welby was determined to hang on to his post until and refused to resign until the story came out fully and he realised he had no chance of survival. The arrogant little shit.

It has been reported that a senior member of the church did in fact report the matter to the Police but never followed it up. Even if these issues are reported to the Police my experience and apparently that of others is that you have to continually press the matter to get results.

It seems to be the case that the higher the office someone occupies in an affected institution the more they are likely to cover up whereas it should be the opposite. Even simply reporting to the Police is just not enough. I have always maintained that there should be prosecutions of those who have been proved to have covered up, along the lines of perverting the course of justive, aiding a felon etc, criminal negligence etc. New laws need to be introduced.
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Every word is true. Duty of care goes out of the window when money and prestige are at stake. :mad:

You shake your head, then along comes a true hero like Jayne Senior, the youth worker who spent ten years working to expose the Rotherham child grooming gangs. :bthumbup:
 
Frideswide said:
Doesn't he /have/ to remain until there is a successor. The See of Canturbury can't be vacant!

Well, I mean it can but that brings its own problems. Again, as always, it's if you believe.

Apart from kill them all, god will know his own, what is your solution?
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I don't personally see the need to believe in one particular brand of Christianity. I believe in Christ. As said above, I'm no longer convinced the CofE does- at least, not its leaders.

Resigning because you are old and tired is one thing.

Resigning because you've, at best, been disgracefully blind to child abuse - for eleven years as @maximus otter pointed out - requires you go and go now.

I accept the final judgement is not mine - that goes to a higher power - but normal human decency means he is discredited and a disgrace who, for every day he continues in office, does more damage to the institution he represents.
 
It's like having a ruling monarch. You can't have an interegnum. Processes for sudden deaths can be inviked but it's very much a stop-gap measure.
 
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