Navy Confirms UFO Footage As Genuine

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I'm sure somebody is talking about this somewhere on here, but I can't find it. Merge as appropriate.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/navy-confirms-ufo-video_n_5d81a695e4b0849d47201128
The U.S. Navy has for the first time reportedly verified the authenticity of a series of three UFO videos leaked over the past two years and insisted the footage never should’ve been made public.

“The Navy designates the objects contained in these videos as unidentified aerial phenomena,” Joseph Gradisher, spokesperson for the deputy chief of Naval Operations for Information Warfare, told the Black Vault, a website dedicated to exposing secrets and revealing declassified government documents. The statement was later confirmed by Motherboard.
 

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I see that CNN also reported on this last night. (Thursday).
 

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We already knew the footage was genuine. The question is - what does it show?
 

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Here's Mick West from Metabunk on the three clips.
"Several media reports are making much of recent statements from Joseph Gradisher, the spokesperson for the Deputy Chief of Naval Operations for Information Warfare, as relayed by John Greenewald of TheBlackVault.com. Before I get into that, let's recap what I think are the most reasonable hypotheses for the three videos in questions:

Flir1 (also called Nimitz, or TicTac) is a fuzzy blob in the distance. It does not move (although it jumps around when the camera changes zoom settings or does a gimbal lock correction). There's what looks like a final "zipping away at high speed" at the end of the video, but it's actually just the camera no-longer tracking the object, combined with a change in zoom that gives the illusion of speed. See:
https://www.metabunk.org/2004-uss-nimitz-tic-tac-ufo-flir-footage-flir1.t9190/

Gimbal is a saucer-shaped infrared glare. It rotates because the camera is rotating to counter gimbal lock. We can prove this because there are other light patterns in the sky that rotate at the same time the glare rotates. The video is consistent with a jet engine several miles away. it does not have any sudden acceleration. See:
https://www.metabunk.org/nyt-gimbal-video-of-u-s-navy-jet-encounter-with-unknown-object.t9333/

Go Fast is what looks like a cool (he means 'not hot' -eburacum) object moving rapidly across the surface of the ocean. However, the angles and range on the screen allow us to triangulate the position and speed of the object. It turns out it's actually moving quite slowly (under 50 knots) and is quite high (13,000 feet). It does not accelerate at all. In fact, it most closely resembles a balloon, or possibly even a large gliding bird. See:
https://www.metabunk.org/go-fast-footage-from-tom-delonges-to-the-stars-academy-bird-balloon.t9569/ "
 

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West also has this to say;
It's surprising this is news because I've never thought the videos were not real. Nor have I really seen this raised as a serious possibility. Nor is this new "it's real" really a progression from seeing the DD1910 form months ago, or the DoD's comments on that, or the email's about if that were FOIAed a few weeks ago.
So it's perfectly understandable that Gradisher is surprised there's so much attention. There's nothing to pay attention to. The videos are the same, the accounts are the same. The Navy has simply weighed in and said they are not going to say anything about the videos. So no change there.
One thing new the Navy has said is that they are not going to speculate about the phenomena seen in these videos. Which is a shame, because we could really do with someone who has all the information giving an opinion.
 

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I disagree about the videos; The Gimbal video doesn't look just like a jet exhaust, and it would be having to ascend vertically in some cases as the object moves relative to the horizon. So the Tic-Tac video object might not accelerate to some people's satisfaction --so what? it shouldn't have been there, and Fravor and others personally witnessed its maneuvers. The Tic-Tac objects were also seen by the radar operator on the Princeton --performing impossible maneuvers. The Tic-Tac video isn't even the same one Fravor saw! None of those objects should have been there. Also, if these were drones from Russia or China (they aren't --remember the recent nuclear rocket explosion? [these things don't need to refuel, fly all day!] ), then we would pretty much be at war with them at his point. Gradisher: “The Navy designates the objects contained in these videos as unidentified aerial phenomena,”
So, that's not interfering civilian drones, enemy drones or objects. Just like NICAerial Phenomenon. They do mean UFOs. Walker could have been told that the objects were civilian drones, or even enemy drones (not to be released for national security reasons) --he wasn't, because it's aliens --he would freak out, and they will never admit to that. It's simple.

And.. Hundreds of recent encounters with cloaked and uncloaked objects:

"But then pilots began seeing the objects. In late 2014, Lieutenant Graves said he was back at base in Virginia Beach when he encountered a squadron mate just back from a mission “with a look of shock on his face.”
He said he was stunned to hear the pilot’s words. “I almost hit one of those things,” the pilot told Lieutenant Graves.
The pilot and his wingman were flying in tandem about 100 feet apart over the Atlantic east of Virginia Beach when something flew between them, right past the cockpit. It looked to the pilot, Lieutenant Graves said, like a sphere encasing a cube."


https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zo...os-encounters-new-radar-tech-key-in-detection
 
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The Gimbal video doesn't look just like a jet exhaust,
Except it does. Here are two images at different wavelengths of a confirmed jet exhaust;
note that this perfectly ordinary jet shows a similar shape and flare to the GIMBAL image (these images are positive, while GIMBAL is negative, of course).


and it would be having to ascend vertically in some cases as the object moves relative to the horizon.
No it doesn't; here is a stabilised version (on the left) which shows that the changes of elevation are due changes in the cloud height, not the target.

The version on the right is a simulation that shows how the vague patterns seen in the clip rotate with the glare, and therefore are sensor artifacts. This confirms that the apparent rotation of the target is a result of the rotation of the gimballed sensor itself. This clip is called 'GIMBAL' for a good reason.
 

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And.. Hundreds of recent encounters with cloaked and uncloaked objects:
I am very doubtful about the 'hundreds' figure. However...

We only have filmed evidence for the GOFAST and GIMBAL clips, which apparently both happened on the same sortie. If both GOFAST and GIMBAL can be explained by mundane objects (and they can) then maybe the FLIR system is prone to this sort of error, and it is possible that the aircrews using this system do report these phenomena on a regular basis simply because of the possibility of false positives.
 

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So when the video first starts out, it appears as an ellipse travelling parallel to the horizon. According to video of jet engines, that would mean that the jet would be traveling vertically, or going straight into the ocean. Also, there was / is no visual on the rest of the "jet" --there should not have even been a jet there anyway. Past posts comparing the Gimbal video with jet engines that show the same scale (size of the jet exhaust and Gimbal footage, clearly show the jet at that distance, and there wasn't even a visual, and there should have been no aircraft there at all. The Navy has fessed up to them not being any know craft but instead "anomalous aerial phenomenon" i.e. unknown aerial objects flying through the air, i.e. Unidentified Flying Objects... Where they shouldn't be. I think we ought to forget the videos and focus on witnesses, as the Navy and US Government aren't going to release the clear images others have said exist. Why? They have no visible means of propulsion and aren't from earth, that's why! Just like the objects seen decades and centuries ago.
 

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I am very doubtful about the 'hundreds' figure.
One ten-year veteran, Lieutenant Ryan Graves, claimed that he saw UFOs almost daily, and that the objects could reach hypersonic speeds and heights of up to 30,000 feet without any visible engine or plumes of infrared exhaust.

The strange objects, one of them like a spinning top moving against the wind, appeared almost daily from the summer of 2014 to March 2015, high in the skies over the East Coast. Navy pilots reported to their superiors that the objects had no visible engine or infrared exhaust plumes, but that they could reach 30,000 feet and hypersonic speeds. “
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/26/us/politics/ufo-sightings-navy-pilots.html

However...
We only have filmed evidence for the GOFAST and GIMBAL clips, which apparently both happened on the same sortie. If both GOFAST and GIMBAL can be explained by mundane objects (and they can) then maybe the FLIR system is prone to this sort of error, and it is possible that the aircrews using this system do report these phenomena on a regular basis simply because of the possibility of false positives.[/QUOTE] you are forgetting the radar on the Princeton:

When the jet fighters arrived on site, the crew of four saw nothing in the air nor on their radar. On Princeton's radar however, it was noticed that the object had now dropped from 28,000 feet to near sea level in less than a second.[14] As the pilots looked down at the sea, they noticed a turbulent oval area of churning water with foam and frothy waves "the size of a Boeing 737airplane"[16] with a smoother area of lighter color at the center, as if the waves were breaking over something just under the surface.[16] A few seconds later, they noticed an unusual object hovering with erratic movements about 50 feet (15 m) above the churning water. Both Fravor[17] and Slaight later described the object as a large bright white Tic Tac, 30 to 46 feet (9.1 to 14.0 m) long, with no windshield nor porthole, no wing nor empennage, and no visible engine nor exhaust plume.[18][19][20][21]

And:
Subsequently, the two fighter jets began a new course to the combat air patrol (CAP) rendezvous point. "Within seconds" Princeton radioed the jets that the radar target had reappeared 60 miles (97 km) away at this predetermined rendezvous point. According to Popular Mechanics, a physical object would have had to move greater than 2,400 miles per hour (3,900 km/h) to cover that distance in the reported time. Two other jets went to investigate the new radar location, but "By the time the Super Hornets arrived [...] the object had already disappeared." Both F-18s then returned to Nimitz.[13] Commander Fravor reflected on his sighting: "I have no idea what I saw. It had no plumes, wings or rotors and outran our F-18s. But I want to fly one".[12]


, Fravor's statement that the Tic-Tac video he saw was clear and projections were visible on the bottom of the craft, and the visuals on the objects pilots have had. Them regardless of videos released, Fravor said the object took off and was gone in an instant, and he wanted to fly one! Do you really think that the Russians or Chinese or even "we" have objects like this? I don't think so, and we Russia or China wouldn't be deploying and using them this way. I do think the videos are too ambiguous for many skeptics, and the gimbal video looks too much like a jet engine to convince many. A garbage can lid looks like a flying saucer, but that's where the similarity ends. I agree that nothing can be completely concluded based on these videos. But even the Navy, which would do better to claim they ARE jet engines, weather balloons, etc. has stated they are unknowns. And the hundreds of sightings:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Nimitz_UFO_incident

"Numerous Freedom of Information Act requests were submitted regarding the incident. There was an FOIA obtained that indicated four Marine Lieutenant Colonels and a Marine Major were aware of the event and had witnessed the IR video of the unknown object. A number of documents were leaked to the Internet, with varying levels of credibility. Acceleration values for the performance characteristics of the object were based upon statements from the USS Princeton radar operators, the F/A-18 pilots that saw the object disappear within a second, and the IR video.[8] The Navy has since reportedly updated their protocols for pilots to report UFO sightings in an effort to reduce the stigma associated with such reports.[9]

Skeptics have called into question the veracity of the pilots' accounts, pointing out that the sighting can be explained by equipment malfunction or human error. One of the witnesses, retired navy commander David Fravor, lamented the amount "of misinformation that [was] starting to come out through third and fourth parties" during a June 2018 interview.[10] On 17 September 2019, the U.S. Navy acknowledged that the three UFO videos are of real unidentified objects.[11]"

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019...ing-ufos-on-an-almost-daily-basis-report.html
One ten-year veteran, Lieutenant Ryan Graves, claimed that he saw UFOs almost daily, and that the objects could reach hypersonic speeds and heights of up to 30,000 feet without any visible engine or plumes of infrared exhaust. Graves, who reported his experience to the Pentagon and Congress, said, “These things would be out there all day,” and that, “with the speeds we observed, 12 hours in the air is 11 hours longer than we’d expect.”
 
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All these apparent sightings and just three clips of mundane objects? This doesn't make any sense. If an object were around 'all day', as Graves intimates, then they would have much better evidence.
 
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Most evidence is confiscated by...we don't even know who... They always seem to be dressed like a normal business person and have swift, convenient transportation, to and from whatever location is warranted. Witnesses see them arrive, take the evidence and leave. No one is ever told who they are or who they work for.

How convenient, right?

The other convenient explanation is authorities keep is from being released to the public for fear of panic.

I typed this into google search and got 450,000 results: "ufo evidence always confiscated by" Please feel free to browse at your leisure.

Does not seem to matter who witnesses the incident, they are not believed or taken seriously.

https://www.syti.net/UFOSightings.html

And according to a taped interview by J. L. Ferrando, Major Cooper said: "For many years I have lived with a secret, in a secrecy imposed on all specialists in astronautics. I can now reveal that every day, in the USA, our radar instruments capture objects of form and composition unknown to us. And there are thousands of witness reports and a quantity of documents to prove this, but nobody wants to make them public. Why? Because authority is afraid that people may think of God knows what kind of horrible invaders. So the password still is: We have to avoid panic by all means."
"I was furthermore a witness to an extraordinary phenomenon, here on this planet Earth. It happened a few months ago in Florida. There I saw with my own eyes a defined area of ground being consumed by flames, with four indentions left by a flying object which had descended in the middle of a field. Beings had left the craft (there were other traces to prove this). They seemed to have studied topography, they had collected soil samples and, eventually, they returned to where they had come from, disappearing at enormous speed... I happen to know that authority did just about everything to keep this incident from the press and TV, in fear of a panicky reaction from the public."
 

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All these apparent sightings and just three clips of mundane objects? This doesn't make any sense. If an object were around 'all day', as Graves intimates, then they would have much better evidence.
There is much better evidence. Fravor saw it and later said "good luck getting it". There are all kinds of radar records that are unavailable. Navy now says those vids shouldn't have been released. Navy woukd know about any unauthorized aircraft in the area, and nearby civilian flights too, in this day and age. kinda think the vids are acting as a red herring for die-hard debunker, being just ambiguous enough.. Listen to what the witnesses have said now and over the years while continuing to press for all of the confiscated evidence is the way forward.
 

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The other film Fravor saw was the same film, but in higher resolution. That is probably where he got his impression of little details hanging off the bottom of the object.

Indeed this confirms to me that Fravor's actual sighting itself was not that detailed; most of the details he mentioned (erratic movement, rapid acceleration) come from the single film, which was made at least half an hour later, when he was back on the ship. This is evidence of conflation of memories - he has superimposed the details from the film (which show an object about 30nm away) with his memories of the encounter near the white-water anomaly, which were much closer but were not recorded in any way.
 
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There was no impression, he saw the projections clearly. Why release low-rez or doctored ambiguous footage when there is apparently more and clearer footage of the objects? Why start taking reports again related to the hundreds of encounters? Why not release details to public or the congressman? Why no big scandal for the US president not taking actions over military drones from foreign nations harassing ships? Why the admission that they ARE UAPs? Why the visual sightings of bizarre objects like those from times past, radar and recordings aside? Why the advanced propulsion systems that are beyond any current technology? And with no evidence of R&D according to Chris Mellon? All that's left are,attacks on memories and credibility of individuals based on ad hominem attacks and claiming certain types of people are poor witnesses? Cuz that's all that's left. :cool:. If the current trends continue, what will be left to dispute? We'll see, I'm sure.
 

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No, we won't. There will always be UFOs/UAPs, even if we meet aliens some day (which I hope will happen in due course). These events have nothing to do with extraterrestrials.
Why the advanced propulsion systems that are beyond any current technology?
These three clips are not evidence of advanced propulsion systems. If there were any clips with evidence of such advanced propulsion systems, don't you think we would have seen them by now?
 

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No, we won't. There will always be UFOs/UAPs, even if we meet aliens some day (which I hope will happen in due course). These events have nothing to do with extraterrestrials.
Yes these events are part of a long pattern and have happened in an almost identical manner over and over again with warships and fighter jets, in the modern era. Did you think it would be like Independence Day ?

These three clips are not evidence of advanced propulsion systems. If there were any clips with evidence of such advanced propulsion systems, don't you think we would have seen them by now?
I'm not talking about the videos --I'm talking about pilot descriptions and the radar on the Princeton. Objects in times past did things just like that.
 

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Trouble is, pilot descriptions and memories can be faulty or misleading. And all the (apparent) Princeton radar returns resulted in one single, ambiguous clip FLIR clip that shows nothing particularly unusual. It's no good appealing to evidence we haven't got - to prove extraterrestrial involvement, we need better data.
 

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Half of my brain wonders why this is getting any attention at all. The other half says "why, of course it's news, look at the time we are in".
 

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Half of my brain wonders why this is getting any attention at all. The other half says "why, of course it's news, look at the time we are in".
No need for rebuttal at all, as that statement speaks for itself. Even if these objects were mundane.
 

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Yes these events are part of a long pattern and have happened in an almost identical manner over and over again with warships and fighter jets, in the modern era. Did you think it would be like Independence Day ?


I'm not talking about the videos --I'm talking about pilot descriptions and the radar on the Princeton. Objects in times past did things just like that.
Have you ever looked into this case?

http://www.stangordon.info/wp/kecksburg/

http://www.jerrypippin.com/kecksburg (2).pdf

I believe it to have been extraterrestrial in origin. And it was full of military cover up. What really surprised me was NASA's involvement.
 

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One ten-year veteran, Lieutenant Ryan Graves, claimed that he saw UFOs almost daily, and that the objects could reach hypersonic speeds and heights of up to 30,000 feet without any visible engine or plumes of infrared exhaust.
Terrific post - must have taken some time putting that together.

All new to myself, however, a quick Google for the moment reveals this related and nteresting article:

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zo...-ufo-encounters-during-middle-east-deployment
 

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I do distinctly remember seeing radar contacts that were very similar, if not the same, but again, significantly reduced in volume and inconclusive.
Inconclusive. He can say that again.

Graves and his colleagues would be better off looking for mundane causes for these radar returns. In a relatively new radar system there are often unexplained detections, caused by increased sensitivity to phenomena that were not detectable before.

For instance, micrometeorites are detectable on radar under certain circumstances, and these trails can be detected even if no visible component is present.
https://www.britastro.org/radio/projects/Detection_of_meteors_by_RADAR.pdf
They might even have detected a new phenomenon associated with space debris, which could be useful data for astronomers; but instead we only get a few anecdotes from navy pilots with little or no context.

Meteor observers in general are much better at understanding the night sky than most UFO investigators; in particular they use observation systems which can detect meteors using a range of different techniques, including radar; their all-sky monitoring systems sometimes pick up strange-looking phenomena but they do their best to explain them, and they succeed in doing so.

If an extraterrestrial spaceship ever comes to this planet (hint - there haven't been any within the whole of recorded human history, as far as I can tell) then the Meteor Observation Network is likely to see it first.
 

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I'm loving this. Keep em coming please & thank you. :D

I found this one when I went to the link you posted earlier:
Delighted you find this wortwhile and that's an interesting video.

You have brought to mind something I have seen and maybe compatible.

On the case, meantime, this...

 
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