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U.S. Military: UFO Investigations, Knowledge & Disclosure

I am very doubtful about the 'hundreds' figure.
One ten-year veteran, Lieutenant Ryan Graves, claimed that he saw UFOs almost daily, and that the objects could reach hypersonic speeds and heights of up to 30,000 feet without any visible engine or plumes of infrared exhaust.

The strange objects, one of them like a spinning top moving against the wind, appeared almost daily from the summer of 2014 to March 2015, high in the skies over the East Coast. Navy pilots reported to their superiors that the objects had no visible engine or infrared exhaust plumes, but that they could reach 30,000 feet and hypersonic speeds. “
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/26/us/politics/ufo-sightings-navy-pilots.html

However...
We only have filmed evidence for the GOFAST and GIMBAL clips, which apparently both happened on the same sortie. If both GOFAST and GIMBAL can be explained by mundane objects (and they can) then maybe the FLIR system is prone to this sort of error, and it is possible that the aircrews using this system do report these phenomena on a regular basis simply because of the possibility of false positives.[/QUOTE] you are forgetting the radar on the Princeton:

When the jet fighters arrived on site, the crew of four saw nothing in the air nor on their radar. On Princeton's radar however, it was noticed that the object had now dropped from 28,000 feet to near sea level in less than a second.[14] As the pilots looked down at the sea, they noticed a turbulent oval area of churning water with foam and frothy waves "the size of a Boeing 737airplane"[16] with a smoother area of lighter color at the center, as if the waves were breaking over something just under the surface.[16] A few seconds later, they noticed an unusual object hovering with erratic movements about 50 feet (15 m) above the churning water. Both Fravor[17] and Slaight later described the object as a large bright white Tic Tac, 30 to 46 feet (9.1 to 14.0 m) long, with no windshield nor porthole, no wing nor empennage, and no visible engine nor exhaust plume.[18][19][20][21]

And:
Subsequently, the two fighter jets began a new course to the combat air patrol (CAP) rendezvous point. "Within seconds" Princeton radioed the jets that the radar target had reappeared 60 miles (97 km) away at this predetermined rendezvous point. According to Popular Mechanics, a physical object would have had to move greater than 2,400 miles per hour (3,900 km/h) to cover that distance in the reported time. Two other jets went to investigate the new radar location, but "By the time the Super Hornets arrived [...] the object had already disappeared." Both F-18s then returned to Nimitz.[13] Commander Fravor reflected on his sighting: "I have no idea what I saw. It had no plumes, wings or rotors and outran our F-18s. But I want to fly one".[12]


, Fravor's statement that the Tic-Tac video he saw was clear and projections were visible on the bottom of the craft, and the visuals on the objects pilots have had. Them regardless of videos released, Fravor said the object took off and was gone in an instant, and he wanted to fly one! Do you really think that the Russians or Chinese or even "we" have objects like this? I don't think so, and we Russia or China wouldn't be deploying and using them this way. I do think the videos are too ambiguous for many skeptics, and the gimbal video looks too much like a jet engine to convince many. A garbage can lid looks like a flying saucer, but that's where the similarity ends. I agree that nothing can be completely concluded based on these videos. But even the Navy, which would do better to claim they ARE jet engines, weather balloons, etc. has stated they are unknowns. And the hundreds of sightings:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Nimitz_UFO_incident

"Numerous Freedom of Information Act requests were submitted regarding the incident. There was an FOIA obtained that indicated four Marine Lieutenant Colonels and a Marine Major were aware of the event and had witnessed the IR video of the unknown object. A number of documents were leaked to the Internet, with varying levels of credibility. Acceleration values for the performance characteristics of the object were based upon statements from the USS Princeton radar operators, the F/A-18 pilots that saw the object disappear within a second, and the IR video.[8] The Navy has since reportedly updated their protocols for pilots to report UFO sightings in an effort to reduce the stigma associated with such reports.[9]

Skeptics have called into question the veracity of the pilots' accounts, pointing out that the sighting can be explained by equipment malfunction or human error. One of the witnesses, retired navy commander David Fravor, lamented the amount "of misinformation that [was] starting to come out through third and fourth parties" during a June 2018 interview.[10] On 17 September 2019, the U.S. Navy acknowledged that the three UFO videos are of real unidentified objects.[11]"

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019...ing-ufos-on-an-almost-daily-basis-report.html
One ten-year veteran, Lieutenant Ryan Graves, claimed that he saw UFOs almost daily, and that the objects could reach hypersonic speeds and heights of up to 30,000 feet without any visible engine or plumes of infrared exhaust. Graves, who reported his experience to the Pentagon and Congress, said, “These things would be out there all day,” and that, “with the speeds we observed, 12 hours in the air is 11 hours longer than we’d expect.”
 
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All these apparent sightings and just three clips of mundane objects? This doesn't make any sense. If an object were around 'all day', as Graves intimates, then they would have much better evidence.
 
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Most evidence is confiscated by...we don't even know who... They always seem to be dressed like a normal business person and have swift, convenient transportation, to and from whatever location is warranted. Witnesses see them arrive, take the evidence and leave. No one is ever told who they are or who they work for.

How convenient, right?

The other convenient explanation is authorities keep is from being released to the public for fear of panic.

I typed this into google search and got 450,000 results: "ufo evidence always confiscated by" Please feel free to browse at your leisure.

Does not seem to matter who witnesses the incident, they are not believed or taken seriously.

https://www.syti.net/UFOSightings.html

And according to a taped interview by J. L. Ferrando, Major Cooper said: "For many years I have lived with a secret, in a secrecy imposed on all specialists in astronautics. I can now reveal that every day, in the USA, our radar instruments capture objects of form and composition unknown to us. And there are thousands of witness reports and a quantity of documents to prove this, but nobody wants to make them public. Why? Because authority is afraid that people may think of God knows what kind of horrible invaders. So the password still is: We have to avoid panic by all means."
"I was furthermore a witness to an extraordinary phenomenon, here on this planet Earth. It happened a few months ago in Florida. There I saw with my own eyes a defined area of ground being consumed by flames, with four indentions left by a flying object which had descended in the middle of a field. Beings had left the craft (there were other traces to prove this). They seemed to have studied topography, they had collected soil samples and, eventually, they returned to where they had come from, disappearing at enormous speed... I happen to know that authority did just about everything to keep this incident from the press and TV, in fear of a panicky reaction from the public."
 
All these apparent sightings and just three clips of mundane objects? This doesn't make any sense. If an object were around 'all day', as Graves intimates, then they would have much better evidence.
There is much better evidence. Fravor saw it and later said "good luck getting it". There are all kinds of radar records that are unavailable. Navy now says those vids shouldn't have been released. Navy woukd know about any unauthorized aircraft in the area, and nearby civilian flights too, in this day and age. kinda think the vids are acting as a red herring for die-hard debunker, being just ambiguous enough.. Listen to what the witnesses have said now and over the years while continuing to press for all of the confiscated evidence is the way forward.
 
The other film Fravor saw was the same film, but in higher resolution. That is probably where he got his impression of little details hanging off the bottom of the object.

Indeed this confirms to me that Fravor's actual sighting itself was not that detailed; most of the details he mentioned (erratic movement, rapid acceleration) come from the single film, which was made at least half an hour later, when he was back on the ship. This is evidence of conflation of memories - he has superimposed the details from the film (which show an object about 30nm away) with his memories of the encounter near the white-water anomaly, which were much closer but were not recorded in any way.
 
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There was no impression, he saw the projections clearly. Why release low-rez or doctored ambiguous footage when there is apparently more and clearer footage of the objects? Why start taking reports again related to the hundreds of encounters? Why not release details to public or the congressman? Why no big scandal for the US president not taking actions over military drones from foreign nations harassing ships? Why the admission that they ARE UAPs? Why the visual sightings of bizarre objects like those from times past, radar and recordings aside? Why the advanced propulsion systems that are beyond any current technology? And with no evidence of R&D according to Chris Mellon? All that's left are,attacks on memories and credibility of individuals based on ad hominem attacks and claiming certain types of people are poor witnesses? Cuz that's all that's left. :cool:. If the current trends continue, what will be left to dispute? We'll see, I'm sure.
 
No, we won't. There will always be UFOs/UAPs, even if we meet aliens some day (which I hope will happen in due course). These events have nothing to do with extraterrestrials.
Why the advanced propulsion systems that are beyond any current technology?
These three clips are not evidence of advanced propulsion systems. If there were any clips with evidence of such advanced propulsion systems, don't you think we would have seen them by now?
 
No, we won't. There will always be UFOs/UAPs, even if we meet aliens some day (which I hope will happen in due course). These events have nothing to do with extraterrestrials.
Yes these events are part of a long pattern and have happened in an almost identical manner over and over again with warships and fighter jets, in the modern era. Did you think it would be like Independence Day ?

These three clips are not evidence of advanced propulsion systems. If there were any clips with evidence of such advanced propulsion systems, don't you think we would have seen them by now?
I'm not talking about the videos --I'm talking about pilot descriptions and the radar on the Princeton. Objects in times past did things just like that.
 
Trouble is, pilot descriptions and memories can be faulty or misleading. And all the (apparent) Princeton radar returns resulted in one single, ambiguous clip FLIR clip that shows nothing particularly unusual. It's no good appealing to evidence we haven't got - to prove extraterrestrial involvement, we need better data.
 
Half of my brain wonders why this is getting any attention at all. The other half says "why, of course it's news, look at the time we are in".
 
Half of my brain wonders why this is getting any attention at all. The other half says "why, of course it's news, look at the time we are in".
No need for rebuttal at all, as that statement speaks for itself. Even if these objects were mundane.
 
The traces supposedly seen by Day do not seem to be available for analysis as recorded data, so it is difficult to say exactly what they were. I suspect that if the data were released, the answers might be forthcoming.
You have to ask yourself why the data is never forthcoming --now, and after the Estimate of the Situation was created.
 
Yes these events are part of a long pattern and have happened in an almost identical manner over and over again with warships and fighter jets, in the modern era. Did you think it would be like Independence Day ?


I'm not talking about the videos --I'm talking about pilot descriptions and the radar on the Princeton. Objects in times past did things just like that.

Have you ever looked into this case?

http://www.stangordon.info/wp/kecksburg/

http://www.jerrypippin.com/kecksburg (2).pdf

I believe it to have been extraterrestrial in origin. And it was full of military cover up. What really surprised me was NASA's involvement.
 
One ten-year veteran, Lieutenant Ryan Graves, claimed that he saw UFOs almost daily, and that the objects could reach hypersonic speeds and heights of up to 30,000 feet without any visible engine or plumes of infrared exhaust.
Terrific post - must have taken some time putting that together.

All new to myself, however, a quick Google for the moment reveals this related and nteresting article:

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zo...-ufo-encounters-during-middle-east-deployment
 
I do distinctly remember seeing radar contacts that were very similar, if not the same, but again, significantly reduced in volume and inconclusive.
Inconclusive. He can say that again.

Graves and his colleagues would be better off looking for mundane causes for these radar returns. In a relatively new radar system there are often unexplained detections, caused by increased sensitivity to phenomena that were not detectable before.

For instance, micrometeorites are detectable on radar under certain circumstances, and these trails can be detected even if no visible component is present.
https://www.britastro.org/radio/projects/Detection_of_meteors_by_RADAR.pdf
They might even have detected a new phenomenon associated with space debris, which could be useful data for astronomers; but instead we only get a few anecdotes from navy pilots with little or no context.

Meteor observers in general are much better at understanding the night sky than most UFO investigators; in particular they use observation systems which can detect meteors using a range of different techniques, including radar; their all-sky monitoring systems sometimes pick up strange-looking phenomena but they do their best to explain them, and they succeed in doing so.

If an extraterrestrial spaceship ever comes to this planet (hint - there haven't been any within the whole of recorded human history, as far as I can tell) then the Meteor Observation Network is likely to see it first.
 
I'm loving this. Keep em coming please & thank you. :D

I found this one when I went to the link you posted earlier:
Delighted you find this wortwhile and that's an interesting video.

You have brought to mind something I have seen and maybe compatible.

On the case, meantime, this...

 
Not sure if this forum has followed the Admiral Wilson Leaks update recently but I found this courtesy of Richard Dolans website and he seems to be sure of its importance - https://theadmiralthomaswilsonufodocument.blogspot.com/
The blogger behind this is unidentified (The Dolos Group ?) and is firmly in the TTSA camp from reading between the lines but if true, and Dolan has staked his reputation on this (he interviewed Dr Eric Davis recently who is referred to in the leaks), it does seem a logical and well researched dissection of the memos in question .....
The most interesting blog is this one "How the Admiral Thomas Wilson UFO Document Exposed The Complicity Between Department of Defense Officials and Rogue Special Access Programs".
 
'Member, these things were also tracked on radar from the Princeton and elsewhere..:

"According to Kevin Day, the Princeton’s senior radar operator at the time, his screen showed well over 100 AAVs over the course of the week. “Watching them on the display was like watching snow fall from the sky,” he says in his first-ever on-camera interview, for HISTORY’s “Unidentified: Inside America's UFO Investigation.”
According to Day, the AAVs appeared at an altitude greater than 80,000 feet, far higher than commercial or military jets typically fly. Initially, the Princeton’s radar team didn’t believe what they were seeing, chalking up the anomalies to an equipment malfunction. But after they determined that everything was operating as it should and they began detecting instances in which the AAVs dropped with astounding speed to lower, busier airspace, Day approached the Princeton’s commander about taking action.
“I was chomping at the bit,” he says. “I just really wanted to intercept these things.”

https://www.history.com/news/uss-nimitz-2004-tic-tac-ufo-encounter
Part of me wonders if this is mis-information.

That last line feels odd. You're just a RADAR operator. sure, curiosity makes sense, but the radarman doesn't decide whether jets get scrambled.
 
Not sure if this forum has followed the Admiral Wilson Leaks update recently but I found this courtesy of Richard Dolans website and he seems to be sure of its importance - https://theadmiralthomaswilsonufodocument.blogspot.com/
The blogger behind this is unidentified (The Dolos Group ?) and is firmly in the TTSA camp from reading between the lines but if true, and Dolan has staked his reputation on this (he interviewed Dr Eric Davis recently who is referred to in the leaks), it does seem a logical and well researched dissection of the memos in question .....
The most interesting blog is this one "How the Admiral Thomas Wilson UFO Document Exposed The Complicity Between Department of Defense Officials and Rogue Special Access Programs".

This might just be a rehash of the info you have posted here but I thought I would add it just in case there are additional documents. It's quite lengthy, my eyes got tired. :)

https://theadmiralthomaswilsonufodo...exposes-department-of-defense-complicity.html
 
Office of Naval Intelligence (ONI) Admits to "TOP SECRET" Records and "SECRET" Video From USS Nimitz "Tic Tac" UFO Incident

On October the 28th, 2019, long-time researcher and friend Christian Lambright submitted a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request to the US Navy’s (USN) Office of Naval Intelligence (ONI) for records relating to the famed USS Nimitz “Tic Tac” UFO encounter. In it, he stated:


“This is a request for records under the provisions of the Freedom of Information Act (5 U.S.C. 552) as amended including the E-FOIA amendments. Because I am unsure of what department or agency retains the records I am requesting, I ask that you forward a copy of this request to all locations that would have been in position to receive any of the material(s) detailed in the following paragraphs.

This request is to include all releasable portions of records and reports related to investigation of the detection of and encounter(s) with Anomalous Aerial Vehicles (AAVs) by personnel involved with the Nimitz Carrier Strike Group (CSG) operations off the western coast of the United States during the period of approximately 10-16 November, 2004. The designation ‘AAVs’ is used here because it appeared in a summary of these events, so there may also be other terms used in the material I am requesting.

Information supportive of my request comes from a former pilot and now writer who has publicly stated he was allowed to see an exhaustive classified ONI report on these events prior to an article he published in 2015. Other supportive information comes from a contractor/analyst who has stated that an investigation had been conducted by a “GS-15” with the Office of Naval Intelligence.

If any records responsive to my request originated with another agency and require review or handling by that agency, I request that I be informed appropriately of the agency(ies) involved and actions in this regard.

I also request that ANY and ALL partially releasable information be forwarded to the appropriate agency(ies) specified for review, if any, and that I be informed appropriately of actions in this regard.

In order to help determine the category in which to place this request, please know that I am a private individual requesting records for noncommercial research and study purposes. Therefore, I believe this request belongs in the “all other” fee category. However, I am willing to pay reasonable search and reproduction fees up to a maximum of $50.00 over and above the ‘2 hours’ research time and first 100 pages free’ provisions of the FOIA for costs associated with this request if necessary.

If my request is denied in whole or in part, I ask that you explain all deletions by reference to specific categories of exempted information, but as required by law, release any segregable portions that are left after the exempted material has been redacted. I also request that redactions be made using blackout not white-out.”


Less than two months later, on December 9th, 2019, the ONI’s FOIA/PA Coordinator, Camille V’Estres, sent Lambright her reply. Her letter states, in part:

“This is a final response to your Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request of October 28, 2019, addressed to the Office of Naval Intelligence (ONI). Your request was assigned the above referenced Department of Navy FOIA number. You request all releasable portions of records and reports related to investigation of the detection of and encounter(s) with Anomalous Aerial Vehicles (AAVs) by personnel involved with the Nimitz Carrier Strike Group (CSG) operations off the western coast of the United States during the period of approximately 10-16 November, 2004.

Our review of our records and systems reveal that ONI has no releasable records related to your request. ONI has searched our records for responsive documents. We have discovered certain briefing slides that are classified TOP SECRET. A review of these materials indicates that are currently and appropriate Marked and Classified TOP SECRET under Executive Order 13526, and the Original Classification Authority has determined that the release of these materials would cause exceptionally grave damage to the National Security of the United States. Specifically, under Section 1.4, the materials would trigger protections under subcategory c), the Intelligence Activities of the United States, as well as the Sources and Methods that are being used to gather information in support of the National Security of the United States. In addition, the materials would trigger protections under subcategory e), Scientific and Technological Matters related to the National Security of the United States. For this reason, the materials are exempt from release under the (b) (1) Exemption for Classified Matters of National Defense. As a result these records may not be released and are being withheld.

We have also determined that ONI possesses a video classified SECRET that ONI is not the Original Classification Authority for. ONI has forwarded your request to Naval Air Systems Command to make a determination on releasability…”

From there, Ms. V’Estres goes on to offer Lambright his standard rights of appeal, and a non-determination of fee waiver.


Read the rest at the link below, please...


http://ufos-documenting-the-evidenc...ice-of-naval-intelligence-oni-admits.html?m=1
 
The Navy cryptically says it has top-secret UFO briefings that would cause 'exceptionally grave damage' to US national security if published

The Navy says it has material about UFOs that, if released, "would cause exceptionally grave damage to the National Security of the United States."

The Navy said it "discovered certain briefing slides that are classified TOP SECRET" in response to a freedom-of-information request, which asked about a series of videos that showed pilots baffled by mysterious, fast objects in the sky.

The Navy previously confirmed it was treating these objects as UFOs - which means they are being treated as unexplained but not necessarily extraterrestrial.


https://amp.businessinsider.com/nav...to-ufo-sightings-would-damage-security-2020-1
 
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