...Professor Atholl Johnston, President of the Clinical Contract Research Association and pharmacologist and toxicologist at St George’s University London, said: ‘I know of no drug that could be randomly injected into a person that would work instantly.’
John Slaughter, senior forensic toxicologist at ASI Bioanalytics, said it was unlikely that a needle would be in the skin for ‘long enough to have such a pharmacological effect’."...
…I also have no doubt that even if it were not an effective means to that end, some pervert would still give it a go.
Oh yes, start a rumour about something and SOMEBODY's going to give it a try. But to this extent? All over the country?
It's 'short cut syndrome' (Which may or may not be a real thing, but it's something I've seen so often). Why bother trying to get to know a girl, take her out a bit, chat, maybe get to the stage where both of you agree to sex, when you can just spike her drink and worry about the fear of arrest for the next howevermany years? I don't know what the arrest or prosecution rate is for date-rapeAmen. Pervs and crims are just as much of a mixed-ability group as the general population, and just as susceptible to bullshit ULs.
See also - for just one example - “smoking banana peels gets you high, man!”
I’d bet that if we started a UL about blue Smarties containing a “date-rape drug”, within days girls would be staring in bemusement at the azure croutons bobbing about in their Porn Star Martinis.
I think conviction rates are quite high, if it gets to court, prosecution rates in the UK in general are staggeringly low.It's 'short cut syndrome' (Which may or may not be a real thing, but it's something I've seen so often). Why bother trying to get to know a girl, take her out a bit, chat, maybe get to the stage where both of you agree to sex, when you can just spike her drink and worry about the fear of arrest for the next howevermany years? I don't know what the arrest or prosecution rate is for date-rape
Yes. It's a fundamental problem, applies to domestic abuse as well, especially the nonphysical type. It's two people's testimony against each other, and absent further evidence you cannot prosecute.I think conviction rates are quite high, if it gets to court, prosecution rates in the UK in general are staggeringly low.
We've talked about spiking a drink for a century or more. So confusion between that and assault by injection is I would have thought inevitable.Oh yes, start a rumour about something and SOMEBODY's going to give it a try. But to this extent? All over the country? Maybe one weird person with an imperfect understanding of the subject....
Talking of which, there seems to have been a LOT of conflation. 'Spiking' to mean illicit drink drugging seems now to be the common word, and a lot of people are thinking 'to be spiked' means to be injected. So we're getting a rash of people saying 'oh yes, I was spiked at such and such a place' (whether they actually were or not is up for debate, but they mean their drink was nobbled) and listeners are taking it to mean 'I was injected'. So the case for injections seems to be way higher than it may, in fact, be.
Your Dad has an art exhibition?I said a lot of it was due to overdrinking and he put me down. I am wrong as usual, being young (48) and not having experience of the world.
He said women are going on strike (???) because of the way women are treated by men and so not going out in the dark (and attending his Art exhibition).
Dad has just come in to say how wrong I am; lucky he cannot see my screen...
There was one girl who had a large bruise on her hand like you get after a stent, but I wouldn't have thought injecting in to the back of someone hand would be very efficientWhenever I've had an actual injection, there's usually more to show than a pin prick - why have none of these people being injected shown any sign of bruising? Or have they?
A bit vague.
Gardaí have confirmed they have commenced investigations into an alleged assault which they believe may have been caused by a drug administered by a needle prick.
It comes amid growing reports of ‘spiking’ via injections across parts of the UK and Ireland. There have been 198 confirmed reports of drink spiking in September and October across various parts of the UK, plus 24 reports of some form of injection.
Gardaí have now confirmed one investigation into an alleged assault, where a female became disorientated possibly caused by a drug administered by a needle prick.
Gardaí are trying to determine the exact circumstances of the incident.
…in a Dublin city centre nightclub last weekend… she reported “feeling disorientated” that night and discovered the pinprick and associated bruising the following morning.
…the only confirmed complaint to date…
Police are also investigating reports that somebody in the audience was injecting people with drugs.
Several concert goers had to be revived with anti-drug overdose medicine, including a security officer who police said appeared to have an injection mark on his neck.
"We do have a report of a security officer... that he was reaching over to restrain or grab a citizen and he felt a prick in his neck," Houston Police Chief Troy Finner said.
"When he was examined he went unconscious," he added. "He was revived and the medical staff did notice a prick that was similar to a prick that you would get if somebody is trying to inject.
This is what makes me wonder if it's mostly a form of hysteria, inspired by all the publicity and any sensation that feels strange. Unconsciousness isn't instant, you'd have to get a sufficient dose of a drug into somebody to even make them pass out and that would - from experience- take a fair amount of time to inject. You can't just prick someone with a tiny amount of something and it be enough to affect their behaviour in any way, unless the substance is so toxic that you'd probably kill them.The recent, tragic Houston concert crush also includes some reports of needle spiking.
Several possibilities here:
The security officer might be using this as an excuse; they might have experienced a random puncture from a sharp object in the chaos, or someone might have been pricking people out of malice, as a bad joke or hoax.
Or someone might have deliberately tried to anaesthetise the security officer for reasons unknown, although this possibility seems unlikely. Perhaps there really are people out there trying to sedate random strangers, maybe copying the numerous reports in the media. But if people really are trying to sedate strangers using needles without being properly trained, I expect there will be incidents where the injected person suffers an overdose.