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China is a mixed bag on this. In some ways they are much more proactive about researching and implementing new green technologies than just about any other state. This can't be understated: they do have the potential to make a huge difference to the state of the world overall.

On the other hand, they do a huge amount of coal mining and some places are almost unliveable due to pollution. I never really saw smog until I went to Chengdu, but they had all this stuff boasting that the air quality matched their targets. It will do that, if you set your targets low enough.

The theory behind a totalitarian system is at int says: you can make huge changes quickly based on an executive decision. If you read the Chinese SF series the three body problem it clearly posits this as the only viable way going forward, when humanity begins to expand into space.

But in a system as large as China, let alone the whole world or a galactic empire, there's always going to be a bit of 'the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing' when it comes to the details of administration on a smaller scale.
 

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Could one call it the 'thinking man's communism' ?
 

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But in a system as large as China, let alone the whole world or a galactic empire, there's always going to be a bit of 'the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing' when it comes to the details of administration on a smaller scale.
Not a problem...
 

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Indeed. It's similar to the phenomenon of mass shootings at US schools.
This is a major escalation then:

Chemical attack at kindergarten in China injures 51 children
By Julia Hollingsworth, CNN
Updated 0959 GMT (1759 HKT) November 12, 2019

Fifty-one children and three teachers were injured at a kindergarten in southwest China when a man attacked them with a corrosive chemical, state media reported Tuesday.

According to state-run news agency Xinhua, a 23-year-old suspect surnamed Kong climbed into the school in Kaiyuan city, Yunnan province, on Monday afternoon and sprayed caustic soda on a room full of students and teachers.

Two of those hit were seriously hurt, although their injuries are not life-threatening, the report said.

The suspect was detained about an hour after the attack. He allegedly sprayed the chemical as an act of revenge on society, Xinhua quoted police as saying.

Caustic soda -- also known as sodium hydroxide -- is used in the manufacturing of a number of common products, including soap, paper, and various dyes.

A little more on how this is the latest in a dreadful trend:
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/11/12/asia/china-corrosive-liquid-kindergarten-intl-hnk/index.html
 

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An interesting development if the guy is the genuine article.

A man claiming to be a Chinese spy has applied for asylum in Australia, media reports say.

Wang "William" Liqiang has reportedly given authorities information about operations in Hong Kong, Taiwan and Australia, saying he was "personally involved" in espionage work. Mr Wang is now in Sydney and says he fears execution if he returns to China. Police in the Chinese city of Shanghai say Mr Wang is an unemployed fugitive who was convicted of fraud.

Australia's Treasurer Josh Frydenberg told reporters Mr Wang's case was "in the hands of the appropriate law enforcement agencies", adding that his accusations are "very disturbing".

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-50528831
 

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Very Well.

What is he doing wanting to go to a country who are well known to hate the Chinese?
 

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That low?

They still hate them thogh
 

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Isn't that part of the point? If you're a spy looking to defect, you want to go talk to the people looking to get the upper hand on China. They're the ones who will value the information you have.
 

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That low?

They still hate them thogh
16% of Australians are of 'asian' ancestry, 5% are Chinese. They're still Australians. So obviously at least 5% of Australians don't hate Chinese Australians. For comparison, 4.4% of people in Britain are Muslims of any race.
 

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Was reading in the paper today that China is holding almost a million Muslims in cultural brainwashing camps against their will. A million! It sounds like science fiction. Or horror.
 

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Best of luck to them brainwashing that lot.
 

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Was reading in the paper today that China is holding almost a million Muslims in cultural brainwashing camps against their will. A million! It sounds like science fiction. Or horror.
This was the story featured on Panorama last night - now available on BBC iPlayer.

*Warning* "It's horrific.
 

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A lengy but interesting article regarding the camps.

Dormitory doors, corridor doors, and floor doors must be double-locked, and must be locked immediately after being opened and closed.”

“Strictly manage and control student activities to prevent escapes during class, eating periods, toilet breaks, bath time, medical treatment, family visits, etc.”

The quotes are from instructions issued by a top security official in the Xinjiang province of China, where since 2017 more than a million people from Uighur and other ethnic minority groups are being kept in camps. The Chinese authorities, who at first denied the camps existed, then said they were there to provide “educational training” to “students” in centres that had a “boarding school” type of management.

“It is strictly forbidden for police to enter the student zone with guns, and they must never allow escapes, never allow trouble, never allow attacks on staff, never allow abnormal deaths.”

Contained in a telegram called “New Secret 5656”, the instructions were written in 2017, when the policy of incarcerating people from ethnic minorities in Xinjiang was being put into effect on an industrial scale.The telegram is among a small cache of secret documents, being called the China Cables, that were leaked to the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists (ICIJ), and have been shared with 17 media partners, including The Irish Times, the BBC, Le Monde, Süddeutsche Zeitung and the US TV network, NBC. The leak puts to rest attempts by the Chinese government to portray the facilities in the western province of Xinjiang as anything other than internment camps.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/asia-pacific/china-cables-the-largest-incarceration-of-a-minority-since-the-holocaust-1.4089726
 

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A long running "lost treasure" scam

Police in eastern China have detained five people on suspicion of carrying out a scam that aimed to convince people to part with their money in return for a share of trillions of US dollars that have been frozen since the defeated Nationalist forces fled the mainland at the end of the civil war.

Officers found fake army uniforms and a number of forged documents when they detained the three women and two men at a hotel in Shandong province last week, the Yimeng Evening News reported.
The gang is accused of promising investors a share from a fund worth trillions of US dollars that they said had been established by the Nationalists 70 years ago and claimed they were working for special task forces established by the UN and China’s Central Military Commission to unlock the assets.

The faked documents were said to include United Nations permits and even a gun licence issued by the last imperial dynasty, the Qing.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3042186/five-held-china-over-scam-convince-people-hand-over-cash-return
 

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Little girl finds plea for help from Chinese workers in supermarket Christmas cards:
Merry Christmas

Just shows you, it's impossible to live your life this century without having a detrimental effect on at least somebody. Quite a lot of somebodies, in fact.
 

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It's not just the shaming, whatever think about pjs in public, it's the facial recognition AI.

Officials in a Chinese city have apologised for "shaming" people for wearing pyjamas in public.

Government officials in Suzhou in Anhui province released pictures of seven people wearing their nightwear, calling it "uncivilised behaviour".

The online "shaming" included the pyjama picture - caught by surveillance cameras - plus the person's name, ID card and other information.

China has seen a huge growth in surveillance in recent years.

Two years ago, the country had 170 million CCTV cameras, with another 400 million expected by the end of 2020.

Many are linked to artificial intelligence - allowing them to recognise exactly who they are filming.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51188669
 

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Yes, he's setting himself up to be the next Mao.
Different though, Mao destroyed the economy, education, agriculture. Xi is a dictator but he's building up the national infrastructure. He's more the natural successor to Deng. Deng had blood on his hands but he was in the junior leagues in comparison to Mao.
 

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On the 07:00 news reports of a "stark warning from China" as the Coronavirus spreads and mutates.
Fears that the movement of millions of people to and from China for their New Year celebrations will turn the disease into a global pandemic.

I had a flashback to the stunning 1970s apocalyptic drama "Survivors". The intro showing a Chinese man travelling by plane and spreading the initially flu-like disease is eerily prophetic:

 
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