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There are people on the internet who feel UFOs will stop a nuclear war.

These people reference nuclear shut downs at RAF Woolbridge ( Charles Halt and Robert Jamison ) and Malmstrom AFB (Robert Salas).

Nick Pope claims according to the Official Secrets Act that he has to be careful what he says, but he doubts this idea has any merit.

Nick claims the UFOs did not stop Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

The remake of Threads where aliens stop the missiles sounds weird.

They've race swapped Ruth though.
 

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There are people on the internet who feel UFOs will stop a nuclear war.

These people reference nuclear shut downs at RAF Woolbridge ( Charles Halt and Robert Jamison ) and Malmstrom AFB (Robert Salas).

Nick Pope claims according to the Official Secrets Act that he has to be careful what he says, but he doubts this idea has any merit.

Nick claims the UFOs did not stop Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
The idea of aliens stopping a nuclear war assumes that they think humanity is worth saving.

I think it is, but there are plenty of things in the world that would make me doubt it at times.
 

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There are people on the internet who feel UFOs will stop a nuclear war.

These people reference nuclear shut downs at RAF Woolbridge ( Charles Halt and Robert Jamison ) and Malmstrom AFB (Robert Salas).

Nick Pope claims according to the Official Secrets Act that he has to be careful what he says, but he doubts this idea has any merit.

Nick claims the UFOs did not stop Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
It’s a safe bet: no nuclear war and Pope is correct, or nuclear war and none of us are around to call him out…
 

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There are people on the internet who feel UFOs will stop a nuclear war.
These people reference nuclear shut downs at RAF Woolbridge ( Charles Halt and Robert Jamison ) and Malmstrom AFB (Robert Salas).
That is RAF Woodbridge, by the way, part of the Rendlesham incident. Charles Halt is (as far as I know) the only person who has suggested that the nuclear weapons at Woodbridge were affected in any way, and he was miles away at the time, in the forest. See our long thread on the subject.

Robert Jamison was not at Rendlesham, but was another witness at Malmstrom, like Robert Salas. As I've pointed out many times before, the Malmstrom incident (and other related incidents at US nuclear bases) are almost completely hearsay; neither Salas or Jamison actually saw a UFO, but they were underground so maybe that isn't surprising. Both relied on reports from security guards on the surface, who may or may not have been reliable, and for some reason very few first-hand accounts of the events topside are available.
 

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That is RAF Woodbridge, by the way, part of the Rendlesham incident. Charles Halt is (as far as I know) the only person who has suggested that the nuclear weapons at Woodbridge were affected in any way, and he was miles away at the time, in the forest. See our long thread on the subject.

Robert Jamison was not at Rendlesham, but was another witness at Malmstrom, like Robert Salas. As I've pointed out many times before, the Malmstrom incident (and other related incidents at US nuclear bases) are almost completely hearsay; neither Salas or Jamison actually saw a UFO, but they were underground so maybe that isn't surprising. Both relied on reports from security guards on the surface, who may or may not have been reliable, and for some reason very few first-hand accounts of the events topside are available.
So, did the missiles not turn themselves off one by one then? And did they not do it whilst the troops providing security saw a UFO? So for what particular reason was the the entire story (presumably) concocted? And if it wasn't, then there are some amazing coincidences for you to explain.
 

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So, did the missiles not turn themselves off one by one then?
The stories that have been told about these events are a tangle of misrecollections and suppositions. Have you never wondered why no-one who actually saw the UFOs have come forward? Why no-one could get the dates of the event right, or the location?
Here's Tim Hebert on the subject.
http://timhebert2.blogspot.com/
I believe that I have shown that there is now enough evidence to strongly support that UFO/s could not have caused Echo's ICBMs to shut down. The following strongly supports my conclusion:

1. High probability that no maintenance teams were out on any of Echo's sites during shutdowns.
2. No maintenance or security teams mentioned in the Unit History.
3. After 44 years, none of the supposed eye witnesses have ever been identified, nor have these people ever came forward, concluding that they may never have existed in the first place.
4. Walter Figel's inconsistency from both Hastings and Salas' interviews.
5. Walter Figel's perceived reluctance to publicly support Hastings' UFO theory, as evidence by, his absence from the D.C press conference, lack of an affidavit affirming his statements.
6. Eric Carlson's strong denial of receiving any UFO reports from security personnel.
7. No intercept missions flown by the Montana National Guard against any unknown radar contacts.
8. Minuteman LF design of connectivity isolation precludes any one event (UFO included) from affecting the remaining ICBMs in a given flight.
9. Echo was a flight specific event with no other adjoining flight effected
10. The only plausible UFO scenario would have been a UFO over/near Echo's LCF/LCC. This never occurred and no reports or rumors ever comes close to supporting this scenario.
11. The Boeing ECP and final installation of EMP suppression fixes resulting in no Echo-like situation from ever happening again for all SAC missile wings (Minuteman and Titan).
Particularly significant is that the Boeing engineers suspected that an accidental EMP pulse had caused the shutdown, and after they implemented a fix the problem didn't happen again.
 

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I am pretty sure that the 'Oscar Flight' Malmstrom AFB thing may be down to people misremembering a story they had heard about the events at Minot AFB on 24 October 1968, which amongst other things featured a) a security team getting a bit panicky about seeing lights over a launch site and b) the perimeter / gate alarms being triggered at 'Oscar Flight' ( albeit nothing as sensational as missiles themselves being shut down).

All the Minot events are quite well documented, unlike the supposed events at Malmstrom. No doubt rumours about the incidents went around at the time, and were perhaps conflated with the (explained) shutdown at Malmstrom.
 

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Nick Pope has been appearing on the Anomalist newsfeed blog with ever more idiotic statements: seagull UFOs, aliens being afraid of Will Smith and Elon Musk blocking aliens on Twitter to name but three…

Has he got a new book out…?
 

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I did wonder about dementia, and I don’t say that to be nasty or unpleasant

Yeah, but there's also a contest-like compulsion for oneupmanship in certain quarters of the UFO/conspiracy crossover that sees the participants going steadily around the bend, assuming they believe their wild stories, that is. Maybe Pope is really ill, maybe he's an opportunist, but I advise him to step away from all this for a while if that's what he's promoting.
 

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A six page article in BBC's Sky at Night magazine by Nick Pope on Roswell. Fairly balanced but unusual subject matter for Sky at Night.
 

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I'm not so sure about Pope's current activities, but my mention of Ralph Noyes on the Calvine thread reminded me that (contrary to some assertions) there have in fact been a wide range of opinions within the 'Establishment' on the subject of UFOs, and that Pope is hardly an aberration.

For those who don't know the name, Noyes was a presence in the background of 1970s and 80s ufology: a retired senior civil servant who for a while ran DS8, the MoD department then responsible for dealing with UFO reports. He was higher up the food chain than Pope and had an RAF background. After retirement he (much like Pope) became a ufologist of sorts and even contributed some erudite articles to Magonia. Noyes's own opinion was that the phenomenon was indeed real, but possibly natural (rather like a rare, unusual weather phenomenon), or something parapsychological - more akin to a ghost than a nuts and bolts craft.

There are two really interesting transcripts of interviews with Noyes by Jenny Randles and by Clarke and Roberts which give some background on his career and opinions. Anyway, all this reminds me that the context to the Calvine case, the Condign report etc was a lot more complex than sometimes claimed, and that there have probably always been a wide range of opinions held on the subject within the MoD itself - it wasn't just them fielding letters from fantasists, or Pope railing against his superiors. There is no reason to believe they didn't initially take the Calvine photographs seriously at the time.
 

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After watching Nick Pope on many History Channel UFO programs, he is a very frustrating person.

He “ sits on the fence “ after talking about this and that and he will not take a definite side.

He might have had signed a no talk contract about UFOs with the British government ?
 

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After watching Nick Pope on many History Channel UFO programs, he is a very frustrating person.

He “ sits on the fence “ after talking about this and that and he will not take a definite side.

He might have had signed a no talk contract about UFOs with the British government ?

I think it's perhaps more that as with most government people called on to deal with UFOs, he has found they (ie. UFOs) are resistant to productive study. You can classify and analyse all you want but ultimately you are, for whatever reason, dealing with phantoms.

Again we come back to Noyes's conclusions, as MoD staff, after dealing with reports of the phenomenon in the age of the 'classics':

I think during my time that after we had failed to find an explanation and satisfied ourselves that the thing was a one-off and it hadn't shown any signs of coming back - all one could really do was to file the report. And to hope that there were not too many public questions, because we had no satisfactory answers

we are dealing with something that is real, but very brief, very transient and doesn't behave within the ordinary laws of Newtonian physics. It's like an intruder from inter-dimensional space - or something from a surrounding space or realm. And at that my UFOlogical friends get slightly cross when I make the comparison with ghosts but I think it's a useful comparison

Ultimately all they could say was they didn't appear to be a threat.
 

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I think it's perhaps more that as with most government people called on to deal with UFOs, he has found they (ie. UFOs) are resistant to productive study. You can classify and analyse all you want but ultimately you are, for whatever reason, dealing with phantoms.

Again we come back to Noyes's conclusions, as MoD staff, after dealing with reports of the phenomenon in the age of the 'classics':





Ultimately all they could say was they didn't appear to be a threat.

Great post.

As regards 'productive study' you only have to look at the Calvine image: pages and pages of speculation (some of it mine) and we are no closer to a definitive answer than when Clarke released it. Even if the two witnesses come forward and say "Yes, we saw a UFO and a Harrier jet!", do you really think the folks over at Metabunk will take that on face value? Not all all, rather there will be more pages and pages of speculation about why the witnesses are lying. However, if they come forward and say "Sorry, we hoaxed it!" then there will also be pages and pages of speculation on Reddit that they were pressured into a false confession.

Yet that Calvine image is tantalising and every time I step away it draws me back in...
 
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Nick Pope claims Prince Philip and his close friend ex RAF Sir Peter Horsley spent years investigating UFO sightings in the UK.

Nick claims that there is the “ royal “ X-Files that need to be released to the public which involves also Mountbatten’s involvement of a UFO landing near Mountbatten’s house.

Nick claims that this was the “ secret “ side of Prince Philip.

After Mountbatten’s death people were shocked to find a dictated letter dated 1955 signed by Mountbatten and his brick layer Fred Briggs describing how Fred came in contact with a force field from the alien and his ship as the alien walked around the property.
 
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Nick Pope claims Prince Philip and his close friend ex RAF Sir Peter Horsley spent years investigating UFO sightings in the UK.

Nick claims....

Nick claims....
At risk of repeating myself, Nick claims a lot of things. Many if not most turn out to be demonstrably bollocks, but he's carved himself a little niche where he says things some people want to hear which is all you need in certain quarters.
 

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At risk of repeating myself, Nick claims a lot of things. Many if not most turn out to be demonstrably bollocks, but he's carved himself a little niche where he says things some people want to hear which is all you need in certain quarters.

I was listening to an interview with him on an archived Art Bell show the other evening and I have to say that he used to claim a lot less.

While he was careful not to shoot down the wilder suggestions that were put to him ('it's possible, but I saw no evidence of it'), he didn't make too many outrageous claims at all.

I think as his temporal distance from that subsequently lucrative job has increased, he has felt the need to inflate claims of both his expertise and knowledge to remain relevant.

Which is sadly something exceedingly common in Fortean circles.

The end-state is often a dreadfully vague all encompassing meta-theory that covers all basis and makes one a viable guest on all subjects.
 

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Nick Pope could be right.

Ex-Commander in Chief RAF Strike Command, Sir Peter Horsley, and later Equerry to Prince Philip wrote a book published 1997 Leo Copper publisher called “Sounds From Another Room “ in which he states that he meet an E.T. in London in 1954.

I have limited information, but Sir Peter Horsley, being so impeccable respected, I would say unbelievable !
 

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Nick Pope could be right.

Ex-Commander in Chief RAF Strike Command, Sir Peter Horsley, and later Equerry to Prince Philip wrote a book published 1997 Leo Copper publisher called “Sounds From Another Room “ in which he states that he meet an E.T. in London in 1954.

I have limited information, but Sir Peter Horsley, being so impeccable respected, I would say unbelievable !
Seems to be available as a pdf here:

https://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/Peter Horsley - Sounds From Another Room.pdf

btw there's a typo @charliebrown, the publisher is Leo Cooper (not Copper). They were a well respected publisher of military history titles.
 

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I may be wrong, but as I remember many years ago when Nike Pope was first presented on TV talking about the possibility of UFO’s he was working in an attic or top floor in a small domestic house and appeared to say that there was nothing to all this UFO stuff and that the ministry was closing it all down, some years passed and suddenly Nike is regularly taking a different approach and trying to convince us all of the opposite. I love Nick! :cool:
 
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